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TylerDurden

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ASU's hire was FAR better than Stanfords. I'm not saying it was a good hire, but there was history there with the Assoc, AD (hired him at Ball State) and he was a local JUCO legend.
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I disagree completely. Not looking at the capabilities of a future coach to pull in CA recruits, but the fact that UM is one of the premier institutions to marry a solid education and a well supported athletic department makes this a prime time job. In my eyes, it's no different than football. This is a position that if it opened up today, many top tier coaches would be clamoring for this job. It has a rich tradition, a proven support system, and a conference that allows it to be pretty untested.

Side note: could Young at Duke for a few years be an interview process for Hutch's replacement?

If you want a simple way to look at it, I try to think of what programs my head coach would leave for in a heart beat if they became available. (That's where teams like Stanford/Cal/FSU become a little sketchy but I still think hold water.)


I asked that here recently, and someone said they'd be shocked if Bonnie Tholl wasn't promoted, and I tend to agree. She's been the Associate Head Coach for quite awhile and apparently does the heavy recruiting. Brundage would be another choice...otherwise Young would I guess depend on how she does, the OSU coach is a former player. Jessica Merchant is at Minnesota so maybe she will move up eventually and become a candidate in the future. Tholl, Merchant, and Young weren't just former players either, they were former standout stars, so that helps. Michigan does love hiring alumni if available. The belief is our recent AD search only really considered three former Michigan people, and ultimately Manuel(football under Bo) from UCONN was hired, as not much of a surprise.
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Although others have already offered their $.02, here's mine:  Stanford will not force Hanson out after only two years.  Will.  Not.  Happen.  For one thing, we all know how long the recruiting cycle has become, and only with next year's class we'll start to get some idea of her ability to identify and recruit talent that hasn't already been committed to other majors.  Morever, Allister wasn't interested two years ago, and difficult to see how events since then have changed (at either Stanford or Minnesota) enough to change her mind.


Common sense says you are right about Stanford holding onto Hanson for more seasons given a coach needs time to turn things around. However, in this situation she wasn't brought on to fix a floundering program, she was brought on to replace a coach for "other" reasons (too many other threads discuss this).  Unfortunately for her, the program is getting worse.  Under the last head coach's watch Stanford never head a sub-30 win season, and now they will have back to back sub-20 win seasons (mathematically they can get to 19 wins this year at best after a 17 win season last year).  While Stanford is heading into a series with a team I think they are capable of beating at least once (ASU) it's not out of the realm of possibility they go winless in conference which, as far as I can tell, has never happened before.  

The other really troubling thing about Rachel Hanson and staff is that nearly ALL of their players have (statistically) gotten worse under her watch.  I was SHOCKED to see Kayla Bonstrom is batting under .300. Her .427 average has turned into .288 while her 13 HRs has turned into 3.  She has failed to retain MOST of the high-level recruits Rittman had coming to the Farm, and their incoming classes are seriously anemic when it comes to talent.  Even if they don't move on from her, they'll at least advise her to shake up her staff.  This puts her in a precarious position. On one hand Langenfeld is widely seen as the only coach on that staff with any real talent, however Shaw was with Hanson at Dartmouth and I'm betting she's her emotional rock.  My guess is she cans Langenfeld and hangs their pitching woes and second disastrous season on her.

The elite coaching world is small, and there was no way Stanford was going to land a big name after Rittman's situation. Anyone good knows how great of a person he is and knows he got screwed.  No one good was going to sign up for that.  In the past 2 years much of that has been eroded by a coach so unqualified she has run the team into the lowest depths the program has ever seen.  I believe a good up and coming coach (think high level assistant) or coaches with Bay Area ties would jump at the chance now, considering turning a team around that is coming off what may very well be a 13 win season is pretty easy. That could be done with some clever scheduling, although they employed a run for cover strategy this year by avoiding their usual elite tournament schedule and it didn't help.  But I don't think that happens, I think Stanford will be waiting around playing limbo (wondering just how low can she go) for another 2 seasons before they pull the plug.


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Back when CSUN, Oklahoma State and Iowa were in the WCWS.
the program didn't exist then. It started in 94 and they have made every NCAA since their second season, including supers when they had interim coaches. In that 22 year period, they have also made 11 WCWS. Every senior class, has made the WCWS.

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Not hot seat, but will Rittman be looking again?
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Common sense says you are right about Stanford holding onto Hanson for more seasons given a coach needs time to turn things around. However, in this situation she wasn't brought on to fix a floundering program, she was brought on to replace a coach for "other" reasons (too many other threads discuss this).  Unfortunately for her, the program is getting worse.  Under the last head coach's watch Stanford never head a sub-30 win season, and now they will have back to back sub-20 win seasons (mathematically they can get to 19 wins this year at best after a 17 win season last year).  While Stanford is heading into a series with a team I think they are capable of beating at least once (ASU) it's not out of the realm of possibility they go winless in conference which, as far as I can tell, has never happened before.  

The other really troubling thing about Rachel Hanson and staff is that nearly ALL of their players have (statistically) gotten worse under her watch.  I was SHOCKED to see Kayla Bonstrom is batting under .300. Her .427 average has turned into .288 while her 13 HRs has turned into 3.  She has failed to retain MOST of the high-level recruits Rittman had coming to the Farm, and their incoming classes are seriously anemic when it comes to talent.  Even if they don't move on from her, they'll at least advise her to shake up her staff.  This puts her in a precarious position. On one hand Langenfeld is widely seen as the only coach on that staff with any real talent, however Shaw was with Hanson at Dartmouth and I'm betting she's her emotional rock.  My guess is she cans Langenfeld and hangs their pitching woes and second disastrous season on her.

The elite coaching world is small, and there was no way Stanford was going to land a big name after Rittman's situation. Anyone good knows how great of a person he is and knows he got screwed.  No one good was going to sign up for that.  In the past 2 years much of that has been eroded by a coach so unqualified she has run the team into the lowest depths the program has ever seen.  I believe a good up and coming coach (think high level assistant) or coaches with Bay Area ties would jump at the chance now, considering turning a team around that is coming off what may very well be a 13 win season is pretty easy. That could be done with some clever scheduling, although they employed a run for cover strategy this year by avoiding their usual elite tournament schedule and it didn't help.  But I don't think that happens, I think Stanford will be waiting around playing limbo (wondering just how low can she go) for another 2 seasons before they pull the plug.




Yes, apparently the situation was so toxic that Stanford had to hire an Ivy League coach, which is a joke if you think of it due to the Ivy League not giving athletic scholarships out...so if you have success there it means absolutely nothing in the realm of recruiting to win at regular D1 schools.
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Not hot seat, but will Rittman be looking again?


What ever happened to him at Florida?
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It's obvious the criteria here is the program doesn't have to be successful to be in "top 10".
  • Bama 1 NC in 10 appearances
  • Texas 0 NC in 5
  • LSU 0 NC in 4
Yeah, that ^^ looks like teams in top 10 programs ... waaaay above ASU, for sure.  [rofl]


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You didn't ask who my top 10 were. Only 3 (4 if you take my #10 replacement) are SEC (good job on the assumptions). But I'll give them anyways: 1. UCLA 2. Arizona 3. Texas 4. Michigan 5. Oklahoma 6. Florida 7: LSU 8. Alabama 9. Cal/Stanford (take your pick, both with their education provided and recruiting pool could be a quick turnaround) 10. Florida State (based on location, recruiting pool, overall athletic dominance, power wifhin their conference)/Tennessee
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It's obvious the criteria here is the program doesn't have to be successful to be in "top 10".
  • Bama 1 NC in 10 appearances
  • Texas 0 NC in 5
  • LSU 0 NC in 4
Yeah, that ^^ looks like teams in top 10 programs ... waaaay above ASU, for sure.  [rofl]


Bama, unparalleled (even if a chunk of them are condescending and snooty) fan base, excellent facilities, big dog in the state with decent if not great recruiting pool, plus, yes, the all-important natty.

Texas, the big dog in the biggest state. Inexcusable that Clark can't get that huge advantage to work for her like Walton does and KIP also does to a lesser extent.

LSU, arguably the best facility in the country, but maybe there is an argument here.

Pac schools in idyllic locations, SEC?
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It's obvious the criteria here is the program doesn't have to be successful to be in "top 10".
  • Bama 1 NC in 10 appearances
  • Texas 0 NC in 5
  • LSU 0 NC in 4
Yeah, that ^^ looks like teams in top 10 programs ... waaaay above ASU, for sure.  [rofl]


I think you are missing the fact that the criteria isn't how good a program currently is or has been.  We are looking at the jobs that coaches would take in a heartbeat regardless of where the program is or has been.  Also, if we were just worried about NC's, then can we include Fresno State and CSUF in the top 10 jobs in the country?

Hate to always go back to football, but it's like Saban at Bama.  He took the position not because the programs was "riding high" but because he knew he had great athletic department support, stellar fan base support, and the potential to take the program farther that it was.

Like it or not, there is nothing inherently appealing about ASU, other than it is in the PAC and is one of the two best conferences in the country.  I mean I'm not even sure it's in the top 4 jobs in the conference at this point (UCLA, AZ, UW, Oregon, ...).  You take this job as a untested coach to prove that you can "play with the big boys." If Allister were to take this job, it's not because she thinks it is the premium job out there, it's because she finally wants to step up and prove her success isn't just Big Ten success (which I think would be a good move). As opposed to that, if that UCLA, Arizona, Texas job came open, everyone and their grandmother would be jumping at that job.  The ASU job is for someone like Tyra Perry or Kyla Holas or someone like that who has had success but needs to step up to the next level.  It'd be a good jump for Kenny G from OSU.  I just don't think, nor will I ever think, that ASU is above hiring the most successful assistant/pitching coach in the business.  

Basically ask yourself, what jobs would Tim Walton possibly leave UF for?  It ain't ASU.  Now if we are talking about Texas (if we were to ignore is OU roots), UCLA, Arizona, etc. then maybe those are jobs that he would take the leap for.  Or better, what job would Rachel Lawson leaving UK for?  She might leave for ASU, but that's a lot less sure than some of the other schools I listed.
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Jayrot
You will never see Perry or Holas as HC @ ASU!
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You will never see Perry or Holas as HC @ ASU!


Maybe not. But neither couldve been worse than ol Craig (and both have done more with less).

ETA- I've heard he doesn't want to be a HC, but ASU might have been better to go with D'Arcy.
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Maybe not. But neither couldve been worse than ol Craig (and both have done more with less).

ETA- I've heard he doesn't want to be a HC, but ASU might have been better to go with D'Arcy.


Doesn't matter what those two have done.
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Walton is knocking down 250000 at Florida...he is not leaving for Arizona even if they offered him because UA will never go that high for a salary.
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Walton is knocking down 250000 at Florida...he is not leaving for Arizona even if they offered him because UA will never go that high for a salary.


The question is, IF they offered him $400,000 would he leave?
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The current coach has run the Valpo program into the ground.  After going 42-19 in 2012, the program has regressed.  The current coach has not held players accountable for their performance and has run off good assistant coaches.  Train wreck.  
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Walton is knocking down 250000 at Florida...he is not leaving for Arizona even if they offered him because UA will never go that high for a salary.
I would throw 500k a year at Walton. I'm getting stability, I'm getting championships. I don't even worry about the program if Walton is running it.
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I know this is a big step back from throwing $500k at Walton, but will the Big Ten ever make changes? Any other conference Indiana, Michigan State and Iowa Coaches would be sweating. Be nice for the AD's to show a little concern.
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Let Stanford throw away the AD then toss 350 G at W.
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Let Stanford throw away the AD then toss 350 G at W.


I think this is more likely than Az throwing a large number at Walton.  After all, Az is a low cost institution in general so they are not gonna get a baller in the door.
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Based on what is going on in Columbia today, Earleywine looks to be on a hot seat.  If your own AD is investigating you, well you are probably not long for your job.
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Please bring a new coach to Mizzou. And I know this is going to make a lot of you very uncomfortable and threatened!!!! but I think Mizzou would benefit from a woman at the helm. EE has been so overtly masculine in the way he's constructed and molded his teams that I think a change is in order. But another man could achieve a better culture too so don't get it twisted [nono]
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Great day to pile on EE for sure.... go get em trolls!

If coaches are smart, they will keep changing jobs and drive up the price points for all their peers and themselves....   $500K is Walton's burden for the sport, he has to leave Florida to get it... he has to make the move and drive up salaries in the process...  #thisisbusinessboysandgirls

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I think this is more likely than Az throwing a large number at Walton.  After all, Az is a low cost institution in general so they are not gonna get a baller in the door.


Arizona should open the door wide and toss out Iveson and "I don't Spanish" Rodriguez.
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Can Bobinski now get off his Notre Dame pedestal and let Hoerner go.  I'll sit here twiddling my thumbs until there is an announcement.  HURRY IT UP PLEASE!
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Can Bobinski now get off his Notre Dame pedestal and let Hoerner go.  I'll sit here twiddling my thumbs until there is an announcement.  HURRY IT UP PLEASE!


It won't happen, but wish he would have the balls to do it.  They are an embarrassment.
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It won't happen, but wish he would have the balls to do it.  They are an embarrassment.


Someone get on the phone and make something happen!! Like now. This is BADDDDD!
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The current coach has run the Valpo program into the ground.  After going 42-19 in 2012, the program has regressed.  The current coach has not held players accountable for their performance and has run off good assistant coaches.  Train wreck.  


Looking at past archives, seems this team was very relevant in their conference.  Last year and this year seem to be almost mirror images as far as wins and losses.  What's the issue with this team?  Does anyone know what's happening here?  Interesting post because I rarely see anyone comment on Valpo. 
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Someone get on the phone and make something happen!! Like now. This is BADDDDD!


Email him at mbobinski@gtaa.gatech.edu or call him at 404.894.5411
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Email him at mbobinski@gtaa.gatech.edu or call him at 404.894.5411


I have hesitated to admit this, but I'd already emailed him.  :/

No response.

What a fall this program has had.  From a yearly contender for top 25 spot to sub .500 record and bottom feeder in a weak ACC.  Hopefully something gets done quickly, but clearly GT doesn't care about athletics (not just softball, look at how they've handled volleyball and other sports).
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