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softballinfo411

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Maybe kind of early but thought I'd throw it out there on thoughts of which D1 (of course) and even D2 coaches who might be on the hot seat this season.  In short win or improve greatly or days might be numbered.  Just curious what everyone's opinions are.
TylerDurden

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I'll get it rolling:

Big Ten
Iowa
Indiana
Michigan State

Big XII
Iowa State

SEC
No one yet, but someone will go

PAC 12
Oregon State

AAC
Memphis

ACC
Virginia
Georgia Tech

Edited to add:
New Mexico


Not sure about the smaller conferences, but also not sure the schools actually care.
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Beav coach Berg will not be on the hot seat in 2016.
In 3 years in Corvallis Berg has had 2 decent years
I see her coaching the Beavs in 2017.
In her first year 2013 the Beavs (33-22) won the 3 games against the Arizona Wildcats.
The one that has to show that she can do it is Hanson at Stanford.
Her pitching squad for 2016 looks weak.
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Big Ten
Iowa
Indiana
Michigan State
...
Not sure about the smaller conferences, but also not sure the schools actually care.

MSU is a great example of a school that doesn't care about their softball team's record.
- 2007 was last winning season
- 2004 was last NCAA Regional appearance
- 2003 was last winning record in the Big Ten

They've won less than 20 games in 3 of the past 4 seasons and 21 or less in 5 of last 7. Their 4-19 B1G record in 2015 put them in last place (i.e. 14th) and made them 1 of 2 teams to be excluded from the B1G tournament.

FWIW, JJ is slated to be inducted into the NFCA HOF next December.

The most likely coaches on the HotSeat are at schools that have recently fired coaches from other lower-profile sports for not winning.
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In her first year 2013 the Beavs (33-22) won the 3 games against the Arizona Wildcats.
The one that has to show that she can do it is Hanson at Stanford.
Her pitching squad for 2016 looks weak.


It seems that Washington, Cal, Oregon and UCLA also took series wins against AZ that year.  One regional in three years and a downward trend when having more of your own players should be the definition of the hot seat in the Pac 12.
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Big Ten
Iowa
Indiana
Michigan State
...
Not sure about the smaller conferences, but also not sure the schools actually care.

MSU is a great example of a school that doesn't care about their softball team's record.
- 2007 was last winning season
- 2004 was last NCAA Regional appearance
- 2003 was last winning record in the Big Ten

They've won less than 20 games in 3 of the past 4 seasons and 21 or less in 5 of last 7. Their 4-19 B1G record in 2015 put them in last place (i.e. 14th) and made them 1 of 2 teams to be excluded from the B1G tournament.

FWIW, JJ is slated to be inducted into the NFCA HOF next December.

The most likely coaches on the HotSeat are at schools that have recently fired coaches from other lower-profile sports for not winning.


I completely agree...although to be fair to those in the Hall, JJ is going in under the pioneer category.
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It seems that Washington, Cal, Oregon and UCLA also took series wins against AZ that year.  One regional in three years and a downward trend when having more of your own players should be the definition of the hot seat in the Pac 12.

        The Oregon schools were the only ones to take 3 games from Arizona that year
softballinfo411

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I'll throw some out there with the disclaimer (so I don't get my head ripped off) I have no opinion either way on these only going on poor recent record.  Threw out the one's that were recently hired as takes time to rebuild.

East Tennessee
Loyola Chicago
Colorado State
Memphis
Georgia Southern
Ohio Univ
Hartford
Utep
UConn
Portland State
SE Missouri
Ill State
Nevada
Belmont
Valporaiso
Middle Tenn
Charlotte
Georgetown

Once again these may be programs where AD doesn't give a hoot about winning.  Just graduate kids and no off field issues.  Again I'm not judging these AD's or programs, to each his/her own.

...and on Iowa State, Virginia and Georgia Tech I agree.  Don't see anything happening with those Big10 schools though.,
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It seems that Washington, Cal, Oregon and UCLA also took series wins against AZ that year.  One regional in three years and a downward trend when having more of your own players should be the definition of the hot seat in the Pac 12.

        The Oregon schools were the only ones to take 3 games from Arizona that year


AZ was a below average PAC 12 team that year...not something to hang your career on.
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411, I`m not sure where you came up with this list but 2 of these coaches will start ONLY their 2nd year ( Valpo/Loyola), 1 set a program record for wins last year (Georgetown), 1 is usually a contender for MW conference  (Colorado St), 1 will get a chance with his stud pitching recruit (Nevada), 1 has been the program head coach for 31 years (Ill St), 1 has advanced to NCAA tournament twice in her 4 years as head coach (Georgia Sou), 1 has program increasing wins every year since he arrived (Mid Ten). Some of the others, I will agree with.
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The South East Missouri State coach has only been on there a couple of years.  He will do a great job.  The Illinois State Coach is well respected. 
softballinfo411

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Well here we go.  Lefty, as I stated in my post I have no opinion on these either way, was just looking at teams that lost more games then they've won last year.  You make great points on making progress each year, going to NCAA, and being the coach for 30 years.  I have Georg Southern going 12-39 last year and Georgetown going 15-32 so I guess in looking at it again this is pretty good.  That's why I posted this so people can fill in the blanks on the unknowns as record, especially in Softball, doesn't always count.
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Originally Posted by TylerDurden
Big Ten
Iowa
Indiana
Michigan State
...
Not sure about the smaller conferences, but also not sure the schools actually care.

MSU is a great example of a school that doesn't care about their softball team's record.
- 2007 was last winning season
- 2004 was last NCAA Regional appearance
- 2003 was last winning record in the Big Ten

They've won less than 20 games in 3 of the past 4 seasons and 21 or less in 5 of last 7. Their 4-19 B1G record in 2015 put them in last place (i.e. 14th) and made them 1 of 2 teams to be excluded from the B1G tournament.

FWIW, JJ is slated to be inducted into the NFCA HOF next December.

The most likely coaches on the HotSeat are at schools that have recently fired coaches from other lower-profile sports for not winning.


What you are missing is that JJ's family is a huge booster to MSU.
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Also she has been at Mich St for a long time so we have to take that into consideration.  Winning doesn't matter any more if been at a place for a long time.  She could leave there and step into another high profile D1 job as there are schools out there that would hire her because she's been a D1 coach for a long time.  God forbid they give some unknown a chance.  See it in football too, "didn't win ever at that school but they'll win at mine" approach from the AD's.
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Iowa in year 5 will get more time
Indiana a move coming and soon
GA Tech in 3rd year??? Must get more time.
Valpo in 2nd year and not going anywhere
Loyola in 2nd or 3rd year and not going anywhere
IL State will be there until she retires
G-Town, MTSU both improving
GA Southern Really? Not going anywhere
UConn is in her 1st season
Belmont only in 5th season, but may have to start showing he can win with "his girls."
CO State really? Not going anywhere
UVA in 3rd year needs and will get more time.
softballinfo411

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Spot on SBWatcher in my opinion but get ready for the defenders.
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I'd throw Louisville's coach on this list.  She was forced to replace her entire staff last year, and with UK now regularly in the tournament and playing vastly superior ball to UL - not to mention UL's recent move to a more difficult conference in the ACC - I think it's only a matter of time unless that team starts winning at a higher pace.
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Also, on Belmont, the team doesn't win but that's an academic-first school so my guess is the coach will get some time.  I don't know how much rope they've given previous coaches, but they can't just take anyone at that school.  Academics are a priority.
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The South East Missouri State coach has only been on there a couple of years.  Do you expect different results than he got at Evansville?  He will do a great job.  The Illinois State Coach is well respected.  Agreed, does not belong on this list. 
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Iowa in year 5 will get more time  5 years is a LONG time, which way are trend lines going?
Indiana a move coming and soon  You would have thought after last year.
GA Tech in 3rd year??? Must get more time.  Probably, but it's Hot Seat, not who's getting fired.  She needs to show improvement.
Valpo in 2nd year and not going anywhere
Loyola in 2nd or 3rd year and not going anywhere
IL State will be there until she retires
G-Town, MTSU both improving
GA Southern Really? Not going anywhere
UConn is in her 1st season
Belmont only in 5th season, but may have to start showing he can win with "his girls."
CO State really? Not going anywhere
UVA in 3rd year needs and will get more time.  Probably, but there are teams in the ACC that should be able to be caught pretty quickly...he needs to start doing that.
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To turn around a "dead" program takes years. UVA is a prime example. Maryland is as well. To get the high profile players you need to identify them by 10th grade. That's at least three years before they graduate and get on your field. Transfers won't help and neither will walk ons. The biggest obstacle is getting a stud pitcher. They are less inclined to go with a rebuilding team. You can be the best coach in the world and you will need time. Now if the seeds are already there and coaching is the problem (see Auburn) then it can happen quickly.
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The South East Missouri State coach has only been on there a couple of years.  Do you expect different results than he got at Evansville?  He will do a great job.  The Illinois State Coach is well respected.  Agreed, does not belong on this list. 


Tyler, do you know Coach Redburn?  If not, he is a great guy who works really hard.  He has been at Southeast Missouri State for one year.  Yes, I do expect for him to have better results than at Evansville.  My dd was recruited by Evansville the year before he took over.  A very close friend of hers played at Evansville.  That program was in a mess prior to him getting the position.  I could tell you about the debacle of my dd's official visit there organized by the prior head coach.  He did do a decent job there and, in fact, improved the program.  He has very close ties to the St. Louis area being from St. Charles, Mo.  He also coached in St. Louis for some time and served as an assistant coach at the University of Missouri.  So, that should give him an edge recruiting some of the talent in this area. 

Coach Fisher at Illinois State is a fixture and so, is not in danger of losing her job.  She recruits the State of Illinois, and to be honest, a lot of people like that. 
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I have no idea who he is, just that his tenure at Evansville didn't go/end well.  He will get time at SEMO...should not have been listed by whoever did it.
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GA Tech in 3rd year??? Must get more time.  Probably, but it's Hot Seat, not who's getting fired.  She needs to show improvement. <


Wouldn't expect too much improvement this year. That improvement might come in 2 to 3 years though when these recruits she's getting finally make it on campus.
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How long do you give a coach who took over a team that within the first year had scholarships taken away and the team was punished for NCAA violations by the PREVIOUS coach?
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How long do you give a coach who took over a team that within the first year had scholarships taken away and the team was punished for NCAA violations by the PREVIOUS coach?
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How many scholarships and how much PR damage was done? Progress should be measured along the way. Also depends on the core players left. You need an AD that knows sports and has some familiarity with softball to gauge the situation.
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To turn around a "dead" program takes years. UVA is a prime example. Maryland is as well. To get the high profile players you need to identify them by 10th grade. That's at least three years before they graduate and get on your field. Transfers won't help and neither will walk ons. The biggest obstacle is getting a stud pitcher. They are less inclined to go with a rebuilding team. You can be the best coach in the world and you will need time. Now if the seeds are already there and coaching is the problem (see Auburn) then it can happen quickly.


I don't think you can discount transfers. Auburn obviously had some pieces in place before Myers took the job but I'm pretty sure they're counting on transfers Walters and Carlson to carry the load on the mound.

At the end of the day it all depends on what the administration allows the coach to do. The quicker they can instill their vision and clean house (if they want) the quicker you should expect a turnaround. If they aren't able to cut bait on current players that aren't interested in buying in and have to honor previous verbal commits it could take 6 years before you see something. One bad apple can ruin team chemistry. If they are given free reign I think you need to start seeing the needle move in the right direction by season 3.
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How long do you give a coach who took over a team that within the first year had scholarships taken away and the team was punished for NCAA violations by the PREVIOUS coach?


Where was this at?  What punishments?  How many scholarships?
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Don't know all the details. But I remember hearing 3 scholarships and the team was left in shambles. Previous coach took a lot of players and left current coach with only a couple that were D1 players. The first year or two was a mess.
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