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Still_JAD

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Yes they played 8 at IDT and 10 at triple crown at the same time. Sorry it might have been 6 days but it was the same week.


If memory serves me correctly that team had 4 pitchers and rotated them regularly, so my guess is the pitchers saw less than one game/day.
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Physically, one of SC's pipelines the Carolina Elite is a lot closer to Clemson than Columbia....that would worry me if I were SC.


I would imagine most girls growing up in SC are either a Clemson or USCe fan and I am not sure the proximity of a TB team to one or the other would have that much to do with it.  In the past the players who grew up Clemson fans just went somewhere else (Carly Hoover to Stanford/LSU, Matty Moss to Tennessee).
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Re: Caymol's Flo ranking. I love Flo as much as the next guy, but their rankings are just an informed guess. Paige Parker was somewhere in the 40s when she came out.


FloSoftball is the only website I know ranking girls softball, but to think that their vetting process is similar to Rivals football rankings is a joke.  They probably see less than 20% of the players in any given class and their rankings are influenced by the political power of the large organizations.  They are also following the lead of the college coaches and ranking players at younger ages and a player who is a 9th grade phenom may not still be one when she is a senior.
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Physically, one of SC's pipelines the Carolina Elite is a lot closer to Clemson than Columbia....that would worry me if I were SC.

SC has a pipeline with Georgia Impact and Atlanta vipers in the southeast and pretty good pipeline with So Cal A in Cali.
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SC has a pipeline with Georgia Impact and Atlanta vipers in the southeast and pretty good pipeline with So Cal A in Cali.


Not sure I would call it a pipeline considering the Impact and Vipers have players going to just about every team in the SEC...
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Not sure I would call it a pipeline considering the Impact and Vipers have players going to just about every team in the SEC...

Ok that’s fair. There were 2 2017 ,2 2018 ,2 2019 and , 2 2020 that’s still getting a good number of girls from Georgia.
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Ok that’s fair. There were 2 2017 ,2 2018 ,2 2019 and , 2 2020 that’s still getting a good number of girls from Georgia.


Georgia is one of the hottest recruiting bases in the country, so any SEC coach that is not recruiting players from the state is missing out.  What USCe needs to figure out is how to keep the top players in SC from going elsewhere (Carly Hoover, Matty Moss).  And going forward they will have Clemson to contend with for in-state players.
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Ok that’s fair. There were 2 2017 ,2 2018 ,2 2019 and , 2 2020 that’s still getting a good number of girls from Georgia.


I would also like to point out that college coaches are notorious for stockpiling their players on certain TB teams after they commit to get them experience against other top players.  The Birmingham Thunderbolts 18U gold team is full of SEC level players, but most of them did not come up through the organization, they were "assembled" on the team after they verbally committed to an SEC program.
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Georgia is one of the hottest recruiting bases in the country, so any SEC coach that is not recruiting players from the state is missing out.  What USCe needs to figure out is how to keep the top players in SC from going elsewhere (Carly Hoover, Matty Moss).  And going forward they will have Clemson to contend with for in-state players.


Again, both are life long clemson fans.
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Again, both are life long clemson fans.


Chances are slim to none that a life long Clemson fan is going to USCe...they would rather go just about anywhere else.  Which also helps make my point that the location of the Carolina Elite TB organization is not going to favor one or the other.
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I was under the impression that some of the Carolina Elite got merged into the Georgia Impact . Tony Genovese used to coach the 18U Elite . Is he still coaching ? And Tony's daughter Adrienne (who played at South Carolina) coached one of the age groups .
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Chances are slim to none that a life long Clemson fan is going to USCe...they would rather go just about anywhere else.  Which also helps make my point that the location of the Carolina Elite TB organization is not going to favor one or the other.


Hoover & Moss. Two players. That’s all. Let’s not forget that we have highly ranked recruit classes coming in the next 5 years.
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Hoover & Moss. Two players. That’s all. Let’s not forget that we have highly ranked recruit classes coming in the next 5 years.


I am sure that all SEC schools have highly ranked recruiting classes for the next 5 years, so not sure how that makes them special...
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I am sure that all SEC schools have highly ranked recruiting classes for the next 5 years, so not sure how that makes them special...


Well I was under the impression that we were comparing Carolina to Clemson in this conversation, not other SEC schools; but please correct me if I am mistaken.
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I was under the impression that some of the Carolina Elite got merged into the Georgia Impact . Tony Genovese used to coach the 18U Elite . Is he still coaching ? And Tony's daughter Adrienne (who played at South Carolina) coached one of the age groups .

I’m not sure if tony still coaches the 18’s but I know Fisher coaches a Ga Impact team and he coaches the age when the girls verbal. He has sent several of his kids to Carolina.
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Well I was under the impression that we were comparing Carolina to Clemson in this conversation, not other SEC schools; but please correct me if I am mistaken.


Kind of hard to compare Clemson's recruiting class to USCe's since Clemson only has one verbal commit to the best of my knowledge, but I just saw a tweet where Duke is claiming the #13 signing class for 2018, so I expect Rittman to put Clemson in the top 10 within two years of being on campus.
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FloSoftball is the only website I know ranking girls softball, but to think that their vetting process is similar to Rivals football rankings is a joke.  They probably see less than 20% of the players in any given class and their rankings are influenced by the political power of the large organizations.  They are also following the lead of the college coaches and ranking players at younger ages and a player who is a 9th grade phenom may not still be one when she is a senior.


Ding ding ding , we have a winner.

Also not sure why always the hype about keeping local talent at home.
Some kids just want to get out of dodge no matter the offer.
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Ding ding ding , we have a winner.

Also not sure why always the hype about keeping local talent at home.
Some kids just want to get out of dodge no matter the offer.


Since most softball scholarships are fractional the difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition can be significant.
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Kind of hard to compare Clemson's recruiting class to USCe's since Clemson only has one verbal commit to the best of my knowledge, but I just saw a tweet where Duke is claiming the #13 signing class for 2018, so I expect Rittman to put Clemson in the top 10 within two years of being on campus.


My response was in reference to your statement saying that we would most likely lose athletes to Clemson on the recruiting front due to them being clemson fans, and that has only been 2. So yes, my next comment was to say that we are not worried about losing a couple of them when we have stellar classes coming in.
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Ding ding ding , we have a winner.

Also not sure why always the hype about keeping local talent at home.
Some kids just want to get out of dodge no matter the offer.


Exactly. I mean look at all these California girls leaving their home State, and Georgia girls as well. Do we see Georgia or Georgia Tech stacked with them? Not as much
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Sorry, to clarify.
People always saying why didn't coach keep or sign local great kid, must not know how to recruit , etc ? 
In Az, U of A and ASU roster filled with Cali kids and some local ones while most of the top AZ kids are going elsewhere. 
Just saying it may not be the school or the coach or bad recruiting but simply the kids want to get out of dodge.
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Sorry, to clarify.
People always saying why didn't coach keep or sign local great kid, must not know how to recruit , etc ? 
In Az, U of A and ASU roster filled with Cali kids and some local ones while most of the top AZ kids are going elsewhere. 
Just saying it may not be the school or the coach or bad recruiting but simply the kids want to get out of dodge.


Great point. No doubt many young kids just want to be anywhere but close to home, at least check it out.
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Some kids just want to get out of dodge no matter the offer.
BINGO was his name-o

But a great state-school in a high-talent state has a massive advantage because MOST kids want to be close to home.
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My response was in reference to your statement saying that we would most likely lose athletes to Clemson on the recruiting front due to them being clemson fans, and that has only been 2. So yes, my next comment was to say that we are not worried about losing a couple of them when we have stellar classes coming in.


OK, I guess I was a little slow on the uptake...bottom line is USCe will now have another in-state school to compete with, and given their head coach selection, brand new facilities, deep pockets, ect they will become relevant quicker than most start-ups.
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Exactly. I mean look at all these California girls leaving their home State, and Georgia girls as well. Do we see Georgia or Georgia Tech stacked with them? Not as much


A lot of players in CA leave because just about every school in the Southeast has cheaper out-of-state tuition than most CA schools are in-state...especially when you factor in room and board.
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OK, I guess I was a little slow on the uptake...bottom line is USCe will now have another in-state school to compete with, and given their head coach selection, brand new facilities, deep pockets, ect they will become relevant quicker than most start-ups.


I won’t argue with that. Have you ever been to SC’s softball facility?
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Exactly. I mean look at all these California girls leaving their home State, and Georgia girls as well. Do we see Georgia or Georgia Tech stacked with them? Not as much

Still_Jad
A lot of players in CA leave because just about every school in the Southeast has cheaper out-of-state tuition than most CA schools are in-state...especially when you factor in room and board.


also keep in mind only 10% of Div. 1 schools are west of Colorado
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Most cal instate is more expensive than out of state? That don't smell right
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Most cal instate is more expensive than out of state? That don't smell right


Nope. I would highly doubt that UCLA is more expensive in state than out of state schools. I will research
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Kind of hard to compare Clemson's recruiting class to USCe's since Clemson only has one verbal commit to the best of my knowledge, but I just saw a tweet where Duke is claiming the #13 signing class for 2018, so I expect Rittman to put Clemson in the top 10 within two years of being on campus.


Duke has the #13 ranked recruiting class next year and 4 of their 7 commits are pitchers.  Isn't that considered a position of strength on this years team?  Everybody wants a deep bullpen but there's only one ball, one circle and at least 8 (if not 9 when talking pitchers) other spots in the batting order to fill.

There's yet another flaw with Flo's ranking system, they just add up the arbitrarily assigned numbers without account for the position needs of a program.

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