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Tim,

The perspective of many that resembles some on this thread. Can go along way in educating people as to why Baseball and Softball are no longer on the Olympic Programme. Amen to you!

Hammer, You never seem to get it! Simply at times in life you have to know the definition of Get? and It? Wish you the best!

Toroman, You keep mentioning Athletic Scholarship? Does the type of scholarship rendered matter to you?

Does any part of National Collegiate Athletic Association have American's only in it's rules and guidelines?

So sad...

yes, because i limited my objection to scholarships that are tax funded not private donations/trust.  I don't care what private individuals do with their money, but public tax money is another issue, since I pay my fair share.
as for the NCAA, i clearly said that there arent any rules violation to my knowledge with foriegn students.  I just don't think that it should be done. Coach just my opinion, nothing sad about it just because you disagree.
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toroman,

We clearly disagree. So when you pay your taxes. You would like to have the option of telling the government how to spend your tax dollars? Do you support all the tax dollars that are used to keep you and your family safe? Interesting perspective that many in America have learned. Even though I did not vote for President Obama. But I am very happy he is not an isolationist. The Bush administration who I supported with my vote. In my opinion clearly hurt the USA with there International policy actions. Many would call them Isolationist policies and actions. And I clearly understand that the USA is seen as the policeman/bad guy to many in the world. And I thank the lord that we play that role.

So you believe that the scholarships that all foreigners receive athletically are given out wrongly? If so. I am so happy that the USA policy makers disagree with you.

It is clearly SAD to me that opinions and mind sets like yours effect the world we live in today in a negative way!

I am thankful that we have the freedom of speech!

Ignorance can be Bliss!

Just my opinion.

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Coach, a question.
How would you feel if a scholarship that should of been your DD's was given to a foreigner. Please don't tell me it's O.K. with you.

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FYI,

To my knowledge, UC and CalState institutions that offer athletic scholarships do so with money fund-raised for that purpose. No "tax dollars" are used. You can quibble about the chair that athlete will sit on in class, but...

Go on with the debate. There's more I could add, but I'm not the loquacious type.  

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toroman,

We clearly disagree. So when you pay your taxes. You would like to have the option of telling the government how to spend your tax dollars? Do you support all the tax dollars that are used to keep you and your family safe? Interesting perspective that many in America have learned. Even though I did not vote for President Obama. But I am very happy he is not an isolationist. The Bush administration who I supported with my vote. In my opinion clearly hurt the USA with there International policy actions. Many would call them Isolationist policies and actions. And I clearly understand that the USA is seen as the policeman/bad guy to many in the world. And I thank the lord that we play that role.

So you believe that the scholarships that all foreigners receive athletically are given out wrongly? yes If so. I am so happy that the USA policy makers disagree with you.

It is clearly SAD to me that opinions and mind sets like yours effect the world we live in today in a negative way! by the way which country/foreign University is providing Athletic Scholarships to Amercian students.... no body answered that question yet. And how does my opinion "effect the world... in a negative way" I think you give me too much credit.

I am thankful that we have the freedom of speech!

Ignorance can be Bliss!

Just my opinion. And what do you say to your kid that the Community college softball scholarship funded with TAX money went to foreign students instead  of her. and why because some CC coach thought it would be a feather in his/her cap to have an international player at the CC!!!! give me a break

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FYI,

To my knowledge, UC and CalState institutions that offer athletic scholarships do so with money fund-raised for that purpose. No "tax dollars" are used. You can quibble about the chair that athlete will sit on in class, but...

Go on with the debate. There's more I could add, but I'm not the loquacious type.  

UC and CalState don't use tax money for athletic scholarships???that is news to me, I guess they shouldn't be fearful of California going broke.  As I said, if it doesn't take from tax money that is great.  Otherwise, I feel that I pay enough taxes to at least have an opinion on this subject. (albeit an unpopular one by some on this board)

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toroman,

Athletic budgets for CSU schools are at least in part derived from the associated students' fee paid at registration. I've been told that those monies are not used for scholarship funds. So, no taxes, nor reg fees, go to those damn foreigners. Budgets for scholarships come from alumni clubs, fundraisers, athletic supporters (does anyone remember Oakland's ad campaign? hahahaha), etc.

At CSUs, athletic teams are actually at the mercy of the student body's elected officials. Not uncommon for a vote by the student council threatens to reduce or eliminate funding for intercollegiate athlectics. Some scrambling by those concerned can rectify the situation, but it is always a veiled threat.

Softball actually has very limited numbers of foreign born athletes amidst their ranks. My own sport of tennis is fraught with foreigners. It's been noted here before that in the NCAA track and field championships, only Americans can be declared "All-Americans". A runner might finish 15th in the 1,500 meters, but he/she will be designated an All-America if those placed ahead are from out-of-the-country.

Part of me is in concert with Original_Coach and agree that the world should be one oyster bed from which to recruit. Given the rules, I certainly understand those college coaches who recruit talent worldwide in order to field a competitive roster. However, I am jingoistic enough to shudder a bit when I spy a poster calling attention to a squad's "Alien Invasion" describing the make-up of a NCAA line-up.

Oops, I got finger happy again. (Back to watching SFGiants baseball.)

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hammer.

i would not call it politics.

or blame it on the wntsc.

i would tell her that the other player must of had better qualities.

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toroman,

Not giving you any credit. Your mind-mapping is a clear definition of many American citizens today. In my opinion that mindset is causing us many problems domestically and Internationally.

The American athlete receiving financial aide in a foreign country. Not a relevant question to me. Fact. There are American Citizens receiving financial aide from governments around the world to attend academic institutions.

What would I tell my daughter or son if a foreign player received a scholarship in front of my kid? Very simply. You must need to work smarter or harder!

Please give me a Break!

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toroman,

Not giving you any credit. Your mind-mapping is a clear definition of many American citizens today. In my opinion that mindset is causing us many problems domestically and Internationally.

The American athlete receiving financial aide in a foreign country. Not a relevant question to me. Fact. There are American Citizens receiving financial aide from governments around the world to attend academic institutions.

What would I tell my daughter or son if a foreign player received a scholarship in front of my kid? Very simply. You must need to work smarter or harder!

Please give me a Break!

OC,
I didn't realize you were an expert in International Relations.  Good for you.  Glad to hear you are the only one with an opinion that counts. Maybe you can get a new job with the State Department and work with Clinton

You have taken the argument to the absurd level.
You still haven't mentioned ONE athlete that is getting Athletic Scholarship money from a foriegn country.  As Indyrun said just go to any D1 volleyball roster and you will see numerous foreign players getting money that either I or my business paid along with millions of other americans.  What did their family contribute?  NOT a DIME. and why because some college coach can't see the big picture to EDUCATE our children and get it paid for those who cannot afford it.  But no that coach wants "the best in the world" and for what.... will it really matter in 3 years... no.... but will that kid in Kansas who couldn't afford to go to CC for an education but would have played ball in exchange for a scholarship is now not able to get her education.... she will end up in a minimum wage job and that will repeat with her kids.  HELP OUR OWN FIRST>>>>>>>

You want to give the world money fine... but why not start at home FIRST.

You are obviously not going to discuss this issue in a civilized manner so I am done posting responses to you on this issue.
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toroman,

Thank You! You clearly seem to like to profile me. I never said I was an International expert. I only write about what I understand and experienced. Simply my opinion also. Civilized? To disagree with you or confront you regarding your posts. That fits my definition of civilized.

We clearly disagree on this issue. I simply think we have a different definition of our own. And the definition of who comes first!

You can have your opinion. But this is not about the civility of my posts!

I will look forward to not having to post here at UCS regarding this issue.

Have a great weekend.

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I would just like to add a short comment to LU XING, AND the Chinese Softball Federation.

First, Ms. Xing - I (and I know many, many more Americans) want to wish you the very best in your softball experience here in the States.  Based on the information you have given us, it appears you have integrated well onto your team, and are obviously having some measure of success.  I can only add, that I sincerely hope your experience in the University you are presently attending, and that with your softball team, is a continually learning and enjoyable experience, and hope you will take back to your country nothing but pleasant, good feelings about the USA. Again - welcome to our country!

To the Chinese Softball federation - what you are doing, in placing some of your student, softball players in our Universities, can be NOTHING but a positive learning experience for ALL (players, the schools, "our" US students, players, and instructors, AND the teams) involved - most in this country WANTS to be a "country of the world", and this program is certainly a step in that right direction.   
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Tim,

What a wonderful post! Thank you. I know your comments to Lu Xing will make her very happy. All of the girls are working hard and making the most of their time here, and we should have regular blogs from all of them soon.

On behalf of all of us involved with CSF, THANK YOU for the kind words!




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On a team that is fully funded, are ALL scholarships from "tax dollars", or are some funded by private donations? 

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From what I've read here, the complaint from some is that American tax dollars are spent on foreign students, and that that act deprives an American student-athlete of a place in university. I don't have a clue, but it seems to me that cultural (as well as athletic) exchanges would draw monies from a special fund in the same way that our cultural exchange students (in our high school) drew monies established just for them from a donations fund, and so that our students could visit and experience their culture (no tax monies were involved and mutual room and board were provided). Both cultures benefitted. I know a softball pitcher who went to Russia and learned how to cook Borscht. I have no idea who paid the tab or if Russian kids felt that she took a place on the team that a Russian could have had. I do know that she experienced Russian life, made friends, and has made arrangement for her Russian friends to visit, and that they will spread the word that Americans don't have horns Maybe, to some small degree, that creates a base for understanding that people are people despite their nation's ideology. I'm not sure what price one can put on that, even if a native child sacrifices for a worldwide good. It seems to me that somewhere in alumni donations or elsewhere there would be room for the foreign student-athlete and also that American kid that we worry about as being left out. I don't know the particulars, but I'm certainly open to learning about the reality.
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Lu Xing 9/28/2009

 

We had a long weekend last week. Long but fun. We played five games and end up at 4 to 1. I catched two games, stopped two runners at the plate. Also I pitched one inning...we made a double play when I was pitching, but also lost one run...However, we won that game with 6:1. As for hitting, I hit two singles for six at bats. The fantastic thing is I stole third base when a little passed ball, and I made my first run in college game in the U.S. in that inning!

Coaches are very happy for our performance, and we have today off to refresh our body. But I think we still need to work on our hitting, and this is what we will work on for this week.

I'm sorry this blog is very short...I have two tests tomorrow, Calculus and Chemistry. I need to work on them now. I don't know why but I always have two tests in a same day...last time is Calculus and Geography...but it's okay, I can handle it!

Chenxi Jiao 9/27/2009

 

I do pretty good this few weeks. Last Sunday we played against UMKC, I pitched last 4 innings just give 1 run home run and 3 hits. This weekend, I do great on Saturday I pitched 6 innings give one run. Today is not really good. My first 3 innings is great, I not give any hit. But in the forth innings my ball just down the base, I don't know why and cannot help which is make me feel really bad. 

 

Anyway, I still do good this few weeks. And I feel awesome my American parents can come to watch my games. My dad give lots of advice and confidence. I'm appreciate.


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Lu & Chenxi - thank you for sharing your experiences with us on this college softball site. 

It is interesting to me, and I know, many others, as to how your time in the "states" has been - for both softball and school. 

Just always remember to make time for "fun" as well as what is required for both the "sports and the studies" part - that's a part of the overall experience here, as well.

Keep us posted as to how things progress, as the school year moves forward.

Don't know whether you have mentioned it before, but what colleges are you both attending?  It sounds like all is going well for both of you.

Tim


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Interesting roster. You can see the Chinese players are listed.







The 2009 Team TFS International-Stiggy's Roster announced.
      
                                                                                              The Surf City Showcase  October 16-18  2009.
 
                                                                                     Tournament Sponsored by The Orange County Batbusters.
 
 
 
 
                                     Team TFS-Stiggy's will play a total of seven games in the three day tournament. The tournament is being held in Huntington Beach California.
                                                                                                        
 
 
 
 
 
 
1.    Sarah Stigall                         North Carolina           U.S.A.
 
2.    Kristin Miles                              Texas                   U.S.A.
 
3.    Kalila George-Wilson            British Columbia         Canada
 
4.    Mackenzie Velasquez                Texas                  U.S.A.
 
5.    Hannah Wagner                         Texas                   U.S.A.
 
6.    Zuzana Kudernatschova             Prague              Czech Republic 
 
7.    Jaimie Jordon                       North Carolina              U.S.A.
 
8.    Xiao Xue                                    Beijing                   China
 
9.    Britt Vonk                                Enschede              Nederlands
 
10.  Chenxi Jiao                                Beijing                   China
 
11.  Lu Xing                                     Sichuan                   China
 
12.  Alyssa Goodin                      North Carolina               U.S.A.
 
 
 
Coaches:
 
Robert Powell
Caroline Powell
 
 
 
The 2009 roster is diverse. Headlined by a 2008 Dutch Olympian. We have a member of the 2008 Czech Junior National Team. Three Junior College transfer players. And some good young High School players from around the world. You can check out our roster for more details at the Surf City Showcase web site or http://www.TheFastPitchSchool.com or http://www.ChineseSoftballFederation.com
 

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Original Coach, you have a significant number of questions here, but alas, your spelling is so atrocious I am unable to make sense of any of them.


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Sorry. That was supposed to be mandarin script.

I guess UCS cant support that!

Made me LOL when I saw how it was interpreted.

Those questions are for Hammer!

Sorry.

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LOL Guess it was UCS' censorship software which saved us all!!!!   
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Lu Xing 11/01/2009

 

Me and jj arrived at LAX at the night of Oct. 14. Michael and Monti picked us up there. I was so excited to see Michael again after about 4 and a half months...and it was the first time I see Monti. He is very funny!

Also I was very excited to come back to L.A. after a year!

The next day we went to a really good outlet. Me and jj spent 8 hours stay there...the longest time I have ever spent in shopping mall before is 2 hours...8 hours are too long for me...but I was very happy!

We met with our teammates on Friday morning. We have a team meeting in the hotel to introduce ourselves to each other. It seems to me that our team is much better than last year, and it is fantastic that we come from 5 different countries!

We then played our first two games in the afternoon. After that we went to a Chinese restaurant to eat dinner. To be honest it was not very good...at least I can cook better that them, haha.

Saturday and Sunday we played another 5 games. I did really bad when I play third base...it is the third time I play that position...last time is one year ago, also in this tournament, but I just played it for 2 innings. I tried my best to play, but I still feel weird...the good thing is I was very good when catching! Except my shoulder bothered me sometimes, I think I'm a very good catcher. I also pitched several innings, but I don't know why I can't pitch as fast as I can. Maybe it's because I haven't been pitching for about a month...Well, my goal is to transfer to a four year school as a catcher. I will find a way to get my shoulder better!

The very important thing I learned from the trip is I need to play the game mentally faster. Michael told us it may take several years to do it. I will do whatever I can to do it!

In Saturday afternoon we went to Huntington Beach. I felt very comfortable at the beach. The strange thing was it was very foggy there, but it was very nice when we were in city. Maybe somewhere got a fire? We don't know...

We left L.A. in the midnight of Sunday. I think I need to start looking for a four year school to transfer to now. Hopefully I can make a skills video this week. I wish I can find a school that offers meteorology major.

I had a wonderful weekend in L.A. I will miss all of the people I met there!

 

Chenxi Jiao 11/01/2009

 

Came back from LA already 2 weeks just have time to write something about this trip.

 

Time going really fast, last year in LA just like happen in yesterday. I still remember in the last game I give a lot base hit in 2nd inning. 

 

We arrived LAX in Wednesday night, Susanna let us stay in her room, kick Michael and Monti to the couch.(lol) On Thursday, we went to a really nice outlet, lu and me spend 7 hours and lots of money in there.

 

On Friday, we have a team meeting just like last year, everybody need to interview themselves which is really interesting. We got player from Texas, North Carolina, Canada, Dutch, Czech Republic and China. Everybody have really cool experience. After that, we got two games. I played right outfield in first inning and pitched one inning in second game. 

 

On Saturday, I pitched first game, I pitched 4 innings and give them probably 4 or 5 base hit, but our defense made a lot mistake. I pitched not too bad that day, but I wasn't feel good when I was pitching. My ball is really slow!!! Good thing was I put my ball in right spot. However, I made lots of mistake in offense which made me look really stupid and I cannot help it. I felt horrible and cried. This is my first time cry in the game.

 

I came back on Sunday, and my speed also. When I pitch I can hear my ball friction with the air made the sounds. I felt so good!! and my offense was getting a little bit better.  I pitched total 6 inning in three games and just give 1 or 2 base hit. 

 

After games, we went to the airport getting ready to leave. I asked Michael which level I can play. He Said D1. I know I can play D1 but still have lots of things need to work on. Speed, movement, offense and the experience. I need a lots of game to hone myself and make myself stronger. 


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Is it fact that these young Chinese women are here on athletic scholarships?
Could they be here on some type of foreign exchange program?
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While the answer to that question makes NO difference to me (and, I think, many others), let's pass it by the ChineseSoftballFederation, the ones that have been bringing us the neat comments from a few of the participants.

Can you fill in those blanks, folks, and tell us what teams the two young ladies that have been commenting, have been playing with? 
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Also one thing we disregard is that maybe those young ladies sent here to play softball might also be chinese goverment agents. Wake up people life is not as simple as we Americans see it.

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Hammer - You sound like the Iranian government. I'm sure these kids were cleared before they "invaded" the USA.
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Hammer - some times you make such "good" sense with your comments, and THEN there is a day like today.  Amazing!!!

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Chenxi and Lu are student-athletes at at a Junior College in Kansas.  Xiao Xue attends a Junior College in California.  All will be transferring to four year schools soon. There are links to their schools on CSF's website. 

I believe the discussion as to the means by which they are attending school in the US has already been delved into on this thread. 

They are learning, growing, building life experiences, making friendships and becoming better human beings for that. Lu and Chenxi both wrote in their blogs about how "cool" it was to spend time with players from other countries.  If you could have seen the girls on that team interact that weekend at the Surf City October Showcase, you would have seen that they only viewed each other as "people"- not Chinese, American, Canadian, Czech, or Dutch. No bias as to nationality. What a wonderful lesson that many people could learn.

I find the comment as to the possibility of these girls being government agents ridiculous and not worth the time that it took me to write this sentence.

What a myopic view some people have.  Sad.



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Chenxi and Lu are student-athletes at at a Junior College in Kansas.  Xiao Xue attends a Junior College in California.  All will be transferring to four year schools soon. There are links to their schools on CSF's website. 

I believe the discussion as to the means by which they are attending school in the US has already been delved into on this thread. 

They are learning, growing, building life experiences, making friendships and becoming better human beings for that. Lu and Chenxi both wrote in their blogs about how "cool" it was to spend time with players from other countries.  If you could have seen the girls on that team interact that weekend at the Surf City October Showcase, you would have seen that they only viewed each other as "people"- not Chinese, American, Canadian, Czech, or Dutch. No bias as to nationality. What a wonderful lesson that many people could learn.

I find the comment as to the possibility of these girls being government agents ridiculous and not worth the time that it took me to write this sentence.

What a myopic view some people have.  Sad.




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This is an email I received from the young pitcher from the Czech Rep.  It will fulfill her dream to get an opportunity to compete and learn!!!  This is why I have allowed Softball to consume my life so far!!!    I have learned so much from the people and cultures of the world!!!  This journey makes me better as it does the other players, teachers, adminstrators and coaches involved!!

I finally get over the jetlag it took me about 11 days Just wanted to tell you that even if my performance was under my standard, It was a great experience to play on your team. The coach from ^&^(*&%%^#$% wrote me an email, where she said again that she is interested in me playing there. I just have to hope that everything goes well. But if not, do you think there would be a chance for me to play in Holland??
Thank you again
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