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Lovemesomesoftball

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Conspiracy???  I am lost here so let's back up.

My opinion is that black churches are part of the problem in Chicago. Not all but enough to make a difference, and it goes uncheck.

My guess is that there are churches operating in all sorts of cultures taking advantage of poorer and individuals lacking advanced world views. This is not to say all churches are that way and if reading my posts you thought that is what I meant there was miscommunication.

I don't have youtube videos of cults but I believe there are "ministers", "preachers", "prophets" running around making money off their congregation. I believe these organizations fail to teach love thy neighbor and often play with lexicon to inject fear of their neighbors or people different from them.

You ask why is the clergy held to a higher standard than politicians. I don't recall stating this was true. My argument is that some politicians and church leaders work together. The politician is looking for votes, the church leader is looking for funding. While there are politicians and church leaders who work together to help their communities. I am talking about those who work together to help themselves.  Just because I am talking about them doesn't mean I believe all politicians and church leaders are working to destroy a community.

I believe power is a hell of a drug. As they say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". I actually believe some people started with good intentions but seduced by power.


I am not an atheist with a bone to pick with black churches. In fact, I love the warmth, and love of many black churches. I don't like pastors like  Charles Jenkins ( http://www.eurthisnthat.com/2014/05/29/pastor-charles-jenkins-comes-clean-about-affair-and-mistresses-six-figure-salary)

Seriously I can move past the affair. That is something for his wife to be concerned about. What I don't understand is how a church in that area is paying a secretary six figures. IMHO the money could have been used for community events.

 

When poor people go to worship and the pastor, who has prior is embezzling, that is a problem for me.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-05-05/news/chi-pastor-admits-charging-50k-on-churchs-credit-cards-gets-15-years-20140505_1_credit-cards-church-pastor

 

Another thing I want to clear up. I did say poor and uneducated in previous post and that probably wasn't the best way to define some individuals. Maybe having too much faith and trust  is a better way to describe these individuals. For some all they have been told their entire life is "God is Good" so they believe a person who associates him/herself with God is good. They is a type of Myopia that goes on in that they probably can see the bull if others try to pull it but a person of the cloth is given the benefit of the doubt.

Afterall that is probably the person who rayed with them on their worst day, been inside their house, knows their children. Very smart people get conned. Look how many were conned by Bernard Madoff.

He was able to manipulate them and have them go against their better judgment because he gained their trust. The clergy I am speaking about does the same thing. You can disagree with me, my feelings will not be hurt.

 

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"Another thing I want to clear up. I did say poor and uneducated in previous post and that probably wasn't the best way to define some individuals. Maybe having too much faith and trust is a better way to describe these individuals. For some all they have been told their entire life is "God is Good" so they believe a person who associates him/herself with God is good. They is a type of Myopia that goes on in that they probably can see the bull if others try to pull it but a person of the cloth is given the benefit of the doubt."

I agree and read it that way, I had my Mexican-American MIL in mind when I stated all races. Hard core Catholic

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LMSS - most people agree wholeheartedly with you assessment.  Don't get bogged down by some of the posters here claiming to be the only that have read the Bible.
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LMSS, I do some maintenance work for some churches. I have seen that some, not all, are large businesses. My number one complaint is that instead of setting up mission trips to reach urban youth, and adults, they go to sunny destinations like Costa Rica, or Brazil for group outings. Why not focus that money and energy on helping those people in our own nation that are in need both economically, and spiritually? We have become an immoral nation, where anything goes, and if you have religious beliefs that disagree with immoral behavior, you are labeled a racist, homophobic, bigot. I have in the last few years turned away from people that behave badly, and while I know I should not, I find it hard to help people that will not help themselves, and prefer to live self destructive lifestyles.
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LMSS, I do some maintenance work for some churches. I have seen that some, not all, are large businesses. My number one complaint is that instead of setting up mission trips to reach urban youth, and adults, they go to sunny destinations like Costa Rica, or Brazil for group outings. Why not focus that money and energy on helping those people in our own nation that are in need both economically, and spiritually? We have become an immoral nation, where anything goes, and if you have religious beliefs that disagree with immoral behavior, you are labeled a racist, homophobic, bigot. I have in the last few years turned away from people that behave badly, and while I know I should not, I find it hard to help people that will not help themselves, and prefer to live self destructive lifestyles.

Good post. I agree Churches' first priority should be helping the truly needy in their own area and generally shouldn't be looking elsewhere unless they're doing all they can locally. However, the amount of need and impact they can make is another factor to be considered. I also try to give credit to people that spend their vacations helping others instead of just indulging themselves.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/30/chicago-s-invisible-shooters-wreak-havoc.html

"Chicago’s ghost shooters—charged in only 26 percent of the city’s homicides last year—wreaked havoc on summer’s unofficial kickoff weekend, a three day period that saw at least 36 shot and four killed by Sunday morning, according to the Chicago Tribune. There have been more than 1,400 shootings and nearly 300 homicides in 2016 so far."

 
 

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If only we could get those guys to submit to background checks when they purchase their guns.
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A paragraph from the story, and why it's insidious and counterproductive.

The causes are many and the answers are few. First clue (a lie, mind you) that the typical  liberal mantra of "helplessness" will permeate this story. Older members of the black community—Steve and Gloria in Woodlawn, for instance—blame a lack of jobs and opportunity. They talk about a bygone era when there were steel mill jobs and black-owned stores, pride in the community made stronger by the burgeoning civil rights movement. Fifty years ago. If things were so great, what have Democrats running the city been doing all this time? note that Conservatives are attacked when they long for the America of fifty years ago.  Then King was killed and parts of Chicago burned. Insidious. Parts of Chicago didn't simply burn, the residents themselves burnt their own city. Then the jobs left and with them the promise of upward mobility. This is what should and does happen in cities where people burn their own neighborhoods. Who wants to own a business there? Now the neighborhood in which Steve and Gloria live, near a stretch of Cottage Grove that used to be home to black-owned tavern after black-owned tavern, "Tavern?" How quaint, and pathetic. Dive bar is more appropriate. is inundated with empty storefronts and empty homes. and they keep voting for the same people with the same promises.

Pathetic.

 
 
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Democrat killing fields. Where's blm?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/us/chicago-august-homicides.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

"By midnight on Wednesday, 90 murders had occurred in August alone, making it the deadliest month in Chicago in about 20 years.

Chicago, the nation’s third-largest city, has experienced more homicides this year than the bigger cities of Los Angeles and New York combined."


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If only we could get those guys to submit to background checks when they purchase their guns.

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OMFG 17 KILLED and 42 WOUNDED. THIS WEEKEND!

Where is BLM? Where are the democrat leaders? Hillary loves the inner city folks.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/31/chicago-has-deadliest-weekend-of-the-year.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

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OMFG 17 KILLED and 42 WOUNDED. THIS WEEKEND!

Where is BLM? Where are the democrat leaders? Hillary loves the inner city folks.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/31/chicago-has-deadliest-weekend-of-the-year.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl


That's how democrats celebrate a world series win

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That's how democrats celebrate a world series win

Dems will blame it on Cleveland fans coming from out of state.
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Dems will blame it on Cleveland fans coming from out of state.
That would make sense if only they supported Kate's Law


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That would make sense if only they supported Kate's Law

It mirrored them blaming guns coming from out of state...
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It mirrored them blaming guns coming from out of state...


yes, but contradicted their stance against Trump saying there are some 'bad hombres' coming across our borders

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Heading towards 4,000 people shot this year. Dem leadership at its apex.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/14/gun-controlled-chicago-approaches-4000-shooting-victims-2016/

"The Democrats in Chicago and the state of Illinois are pushing to squash this mayhem with more gun laws and regulations. One Chicago leader is pressing for a “declaration of a state of emergency” for the city, and state Representative Sonya Harper (D-6th) wants to require serial numbers on every bullet and bullet casing.

Harper told Fox 32, “We just want to know how the guns and the bullets are getting into the hands of our youth and causing senseless harm and murder on our streets.” She did not address that attempts at ballistic fingerprinting have repeatedly failed to solve crime when implemented in other cities, nor did she mention that such regulations drive up the prices law-abiding citizens have to pay for ammunition."


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NYC with 3X the population of Chicago. Blame placed on the dem leadership and Rahm, who have done what dems always do, which is politicize and micro-manage the police. And do a poor job of it.

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NYC with 3X the population of Chicago. Blame placed on the dem leadership and Rahm, who have done what dems always do, which is politicize and micro-manage the police. And do a poor job of it.

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Chicago hits another milestone. 701 murders in 2016, almost a whole month left to build that total. Who is responsible for protecting the citizens of Chicago?

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Maybe someone should enact some sort of crime control measure, and lock up offenders for say 20-25 years for violent crime, instead of a 1-2 year probated sentence for gang banging? It's just a thought off the top of my head. Oh, you don't have room for them? Send them to other states and pay for it. Idiots. Well, well, we can't lock up everybody. NO, BUT YOU CAN LOCK UP THE A HOLES THAT ARE KILLING PEOPLE IN YOUR CITY. F'ing idiots. Send in the Texas Rangers, and let them kill off the bad guys you cower from. What don't you ignorant people understand? Bad people only understand violence. They only fear people that are more violent than them. Can you handle this, or do we need to send some really bad people in to handle it for you wimp ass Democrat sheep?
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The dems should be ashamed.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/12/us/chicago-disappearing-front-porch/

"Before they go to kindergarten, children in Chicago learn to hit the floor at the sound of gunfire.  One child age 16 or younger is murdered in the city every week on average. This has been happening for more than a quarter century, police records show. Neither homes nor streets are safe. Those are the first and second most likely places to get murdered in Chicago since 2001."


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The dems should be ashamed.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/12/us/chicago-disappearing-front-porch/

"Before they go to kindergarten, children in Chicago learn to hit the floor at the sound of gunfire.  One child age 16 or younger is murdered in the city every week on average. This has been happening for more than a quarter century, police records show. Neither homes nor streets are safe. Those are the first and second most likely places to get murdered in Chicago since 2001."



8,105 people were murdered in the last 15 years, Chicago police records show. They were most likely to take place:

  • 1.On the street (3,877)
  • 2.In a vehicle (978)
  • 3.At an apartment (765)
  • 4.In an alley (516)
  • 5.In a house (447)
  • 6.On a porch (246)
  • 7.In a yard (164)

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I notice that "at work" is not on the list...
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Heh Heh, brutal but true.
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I like the idea of cordoning off areas of thugville, and air dropping large numbers of weapons and ammo. Let them figure it out on their own. The elected officials and police evidently don't care enough to go hardcore on the thugs. Maybe grownups would be so desperate they would take matters into their own hands like they should have decades ago..
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I like the idea of cordoning off areas of thugville, and air dropping large numbers of weapons and ammo. Let them figure it out on their own. The elected officials and police evidently don't care enough to go hardcore on the thugs. Maybe grownups would be so desperate they would take matters into their own hands like they should have decades ago..

No sh!t, they're more concerned about illegals being deported than their own citizens being killed. Not only are they willing to risk losing federal funding, they're putting money up for immigration lawyers. That expenditure caught the eye of some people...
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/emanuels-1-3m-legal-defense-funds-sails-through-with-a-caveat/

But, if there’s any more money lying around unclaimed from the $20 million set aside for a token property tax rebate that has so far attracted only 17,000 takers, Dowell said African-American communities should be first in line.

“I’d like to see the administration put the same amount of effort into creating a legal representation fund for all of those young black boys and black girls that are racially profiled in this city or are shot by the police unnecessarily. Or to support programs like CeaseFire to quell some of the violence in our community,” Dowell said before the Budget Committee voted to approve the mayor’s newly expanded plan.

When the mayor talks about wanting to keep the immigrant communities safe, secure and supported, those are the same needs that other communities have. … To raise the immigrant communities’ issues to the forefront, I think is something we should do. But, I’d like to see the same attention to some needs we have in our community.”

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Sanctuary cities should rightly be left to figure it out for themselves. Conservatives have been crying Americans first for a long time. Perhaps these Democrat strongholds might somehow focus their collective efforts on serving the citizens living in their communities, instead of bending over backwards to support the needs of illegal aliens taking away and draining social, and economic opportunities away from American citizens. Just a crazy thought.
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I notice that "at work" is not on the list...


brilliant observation Watson, think there is a correlation? I think so, work is a safe place to be

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I love this. But why don't the dems care about our inner city Americans? Why does it take Trump to do the right thing? He is killing it across the board right now.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/03/trump-to-rahm-get-chicago-violence-under-control-or-feds-will-step-in.html

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The Feds have been "stepping in" and basically taking over local police departments for years, threatening to withhold money if they don't comply with their regs. I don't think federal government intrusion into state policing is a good thing

“As the president-elect knows from his conversation with the mayor, we agree the federal government has a strong role to play in public safety by funding summer jobs and prevention programming for at-risk youth, by holding the criminals who break our gun laws accountable for their crimes, by passing meaningful gun laws, and by building on the partnerships our police have with federal law enforcement,” the statement from Adam Collins said. “We are heartened he is taking this issue seriously and look forward to working with the new administration on these important efforts."

Government funding jobs, meaningful gun laws. Sounds like more liberal BS.

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