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Well Jane, perhaps you should read the constitution. Please let us know how many of the things on your check list are actually powers enumerated to the Federal Government. Get back to us at your earliest convenience you clueless hack.


The constitution made provisions for lawmakers to pass legislation to cover everything I mentioned. Are you saying everything I mentioned is somehow unconstitutional or just objectionable? I keep reading how you guys say elections have consequences. I agree and will do everything in my power to insure nothing like this ever happens again. You are all going to feel so foolish when the Mueller details are out. denny is stupid, narcissistic and impulsive. Not qualities one would normally look for in a boy scout leader, further more a president. Time will tell.

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That's true but I have to think many on the Right aren't extremely happy about getting tax savings for themselves while running up a spending debt to their children.
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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

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It's the lobbyists and the waste. We can cover the bases if we get rid of the dirty tactics people. 
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There is no 1 number. We must attack government waste and influence from lobbyists, most noticeably in the big ticket items. Entitlements and defense first. Off the top of my head, I want federal government influence and spending for:
Transportation Yes the Federal Government is empowered to build highways, and waterways.
Education, including college(with limitations) Education is the responsibility of the states, not the Federal Government.
Defense This a primary function of the Federal Government.
Veterans Benefits The military is the Federal Governments responsibility.
Food and Drugs Not a Federal responsibility, other than imported goods.
Welfare No, the Federal Government isn't a charitable organization either. State and local responsibility.
Parks and Recreation Management of national parks yes, recreation, no.
Judicial interpretation and law enforcement Federal laws are under the Federal Government's duties . Handing out military vehicles, and giving State and Local police block grant funding is not an enumerated duty. Fund your own police department.
Civil Rights I suppose a case for voters rights could be considered a Federal duty, but protecting every Tranny with a hangnail is a stretch.
Social Security Nowhere in the Constitution is it stated that the federal Government has the authority to confiscate wealth, and redistribute it out as it sees fit in a Ponzi scheme.
Agriculture and Energy direction and goals Yes, the Ag department, and Energy are under Federal control.
General Health Care  single payer medicare for everyone The Constitution doesn't authorize the Federal government to confiscate peoples money, and then pay for healthcare.

Possibly more, have to go to work. Defense of the country and the border, levying tariffs on imported goods, and building roads and waterways. That's pretty much what they are supposed to be doing. 


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Jane you ignorant slut. Keep your booger hook of the bang switch, you stupid Socialist. 

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Will_I_Wynn

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"The spending cuts will have to come eventually."

It's still an important question as to what we expect of a President.  Obama couldn't reduce discretionary spending, even if desired, because Democrats would not allow that to happen.  The Republicans would never allow cuts to defense spending so what should Obama have done?

We know what a GOP President would do.  He would pass tax cuts and then let both sides spend what they wish.  Is that what the Right wanted Obama to do?  If not, then what?

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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


woody

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How about a 10%across the board spending cut Dewey? Everyone gets to join the battle of the deficit. You’re Medicaid will take a hit, but it’s for the chilren right?
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I think we should organize an annual Federal government shutdown, with no pay. Military and Border Patrol is exempt. Start it for 1week the first year, then two weeks a year or two later, then a month. My guess is we would do just fine, and all the Liberals could consider it their EU summer vacation. I cannot say that a Federal Shutdown has ever had any effect on me at all. I welcome them, just don’t want any backpay handed out. Do it already.
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Maybe think of it this Diuane.  Hard working guy comes home with 80% of his earnings.  That is pretty nice, right?
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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
WTF?
Will_I_Wynn

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Some people would like tax revenue to go up 30% and hope a once in a lifetime deflation will actually cut Government spending.  Nice pipe dream but it will never happen and we shouldn't mislead Americans into thinking it will.  Spending always climbs 3-5%, or more, annually.

Democrats would never support Obama cutting social spending and Republicans wouldn't support cutting defense.  To the contrary, they stopped Obama from most all spending increases to the point sequestration was put into place.  Spending increases were going almost nowhere during the Obama Administration.

A GOP President comes along and all restraints are off.  I get how a President is under great pressure to spend money but I don't get how the Right spins the debate into one calling Democrats big spenders.  In case anyone hasn't noticed, no legislation involving spending cuts that I know about has passed this House under this President.  Doesn't help a Party to cut services to their constituents.




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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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This is the second GOP Administration in a row to release large spending increases and start deficits rising again. I can't foresee any future election where the Right can claim to be the Party of fiscal restraint.

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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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Maybe file that thought right next to the thought you had that Trump would never be elected.
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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
WTF?
Will_I_Wynn

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Many of us in this Country knew he could win in 2016 and know he could win in 2020.

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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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You were so prepared you had to take a 2 month attic break.
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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
WTF?
keepinitreal

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
Many of us in this Country knew he could win in 2016 and know he could win in 2020.


You're such a f'n liar, you were caught sitting on your hands and never saw the Drumpf coming.  You were steamrolled, flabbergasted and punked when it happened.  We saw the pictures

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Spending goes up every year.  Population growth, veteran growth, inflation, increased infrastructure, more courts, more teachers, higher wages, new medical tests, etc.

When a Democrat is in office, Congress blocks most requests for any added spending.  Therefore, budget rises 3.5-5% annually.  When a Republican is in office, he demands more military spending.  Congress says can't have it without more spending on Americans for much needed services.  GOP President says do it already.  Therefore, budget rises 5-6.5% annually.  Back and forth we go.  Maybe $50-100 billion more in voluntary spending during one Administration versus almost no extra spending in the next. 

Revenue is a different story.  It's the attack on revenue with tax cuts after tax cuts that sets us back and grows our deficit.  We continuously reduce the expected tax revenue and then once again have to grow our way out of a hole.  In the meantime, we increase the deficit and add to debt.

For example, in June of 2017, CBO projected $3.53T and $3.69T revenue in 2018 and 2019.  In 2017, Fed revenue was $3.315T.

After changes in our tax law, GOP tax cuts, the CBO has revised it's projection a few days ago and now projects revenue of $3.34T and $3.49T in 2018 and 2019.  It's now going to be much lower.

The Right will spin these numbers as record tax revenues.  That's true but they're now much lower than what the record revenues would have been in a growing economy with a growing population.  We'll end up with another $400 billion added to deficits that are already too large.  This attack on revenue is far more damaging than the back and forth change in spending growth we find when President is Democrat or Republican.

CBO June 2017 pg 13 - https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/reports/52801-june2017outlook.pdf

CBO April 2018 pg 67 - https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/reports/53651-outlook.pdf

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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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So President Trump will be graded differently because of a growing economy?

Maybe that is why you look at President Obama's record so fondly.

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Every President leads over a growing economy with growing tax revenues.  Unfortunately, there are occasional and tragic events resulting in a near complete collapse before we start growing again.  A President can't stop an economy from growing but he/she can contribute to a huge hiccup.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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So is that a yes?

It's becoming increasingly tough to pin you down on answers, kind of like a former poster on this forum

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So is that a yes?

It's becoming increasingly tough to pin you down on answers, kind of like a former poster on this forum

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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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CBO boosts US job growth projections by 2.6 million, directly attributing 1.1 million of that number to the #TaxReform law that was opposed by every Democrat in Congress.

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The CBO projects there will be 156.8 million jobs in America in ten years.  They say it would have been 155.7 million jobs without the tax cuts.  If we put money into the hands of consumers, there's no doubt the economy receives a boost.  What we don't know for certain is the harmful effects of the added debt, particularly on those Americans to follow.  We saw in 2008 how fast those jobs can disappear in a recession.  In addition, one can only guess what effects the future huge interest debt will have on jobs and/or quality of life for those who inherit it.

If we promise our children an extra grand a month, we might be better able to predict their improved position down the road.  At the same time, it might be tougher to predict our own financial position.

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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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Predictable response to anything good happening with the economy.
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I don't want to borrow money from future generations to pay for my quality of life.  Today's society should pay it's own way.  We were there in 1999 and we should have remained that way.  Instead we gave ourselves tax cuts, fought wars, invested in defense, and paid the bill with other peoples money.  We should have never allowed a tax cut unless it created no growth in the deficit.  We should have raised the funds to fight our own wars.  The GOP thought if the revenue wasn't there, spending would disappear too.  They were completely wrong and I think they knew they would be wrong.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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Why does Duaine hate job growth with trump but with obama he posted regularly about UE numbers?  The readers deserve to know why Duaine is so partisan.  Why he no likey jobs?  How many illegals does the widget company hire?
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
I don't want to borrow money from future generations to pay for my quality of life.


I don't want to pay for current generations to breed and not be able to feed, I don't want to pay people not to work, so I guess we can't always get what we want.  Join the crowd Duaine, just quit whining about it so much

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
We should have never allowed a tax cut unless it created no growth in the deficit.

Let's do cuts now and get things right.

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Originally Posted by Fresh
"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
WTF?
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Kroger CEO says taxcuts are allowing them to raise their minimum wage and invest millions in education benefits.



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"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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We should have never allowed a tax cut without a requisite cut in spending.
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Precisely.
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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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The CBO projects there will be 156.8 million jobs in America in ten years.  They say it would have been 155.7 million jobs without the tax cuts.


Do you ever not lie Dewey. CBO said revised upward 2..6 million and you come here with your bull schit numbers showing only 1.1 million.
You are such a pathetic weak old man. All you have in your life is coming here posting one lie after another to try and cover up the failure of your party and their policies.

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