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TheNarrator

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Thanks to a republican congress we got there once.  There are no Newt's out there any more.

Edit:  You will have to let us know what name to use if we ever need to come back and call you.
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The Right likes to say the Left never met a tax they didn't like.  That's the wrong way to view the Left.  It's like saying the Left wants to pay $20,000 for that life saving surgery.  No, it's just necessary.  Similar to saying the Left wants to pay $12 for a movie ticket.  Nope, it's just necessary.  The Left believes we should pay for the services we receive and tax revenue is the avenue of payment when it comes to Government services.

Some on the Right are now suggesting we cut the SS and Medicare payments of our children so we can have less tax obligation today.  That is embarrassing to the Left.  Why must our children have to cover our refusal to pay our own way.  I feel as though we've gone to the banker who holds the mortgage on our kid's homes and said, add $20,000 to their debt and give the cash to us.  Thank you very much.

The Right can object all day long over spending for education, poor people, healthcare, and the like but it's our obligation to pay for this spending as long as it's the law.  The Left understands this and works to raise the revenue (estate tax, tax on wealthy, medical equipment tax, higher medicare tax, etc.) to pay our own way.  It's shameful how we instead borrow from the future generations to cover our needs and wants.  It isn't so much the Left wants to pay for the services we receive as it is we understand we are obligated to pay for them. 

Finally, the Right tries to argue it both ways.  They chastise the Left for favoring more taxes, which we favor in order to pay for our services and to eliminate these deficits, while at the same time criticizing the Left for not caring about the deficit.  Obviously, both can't be accurate.

It is only necessary to you because you believe that people can not do for themselves.  It is only necessary to you because you want to keep a portion of this society in government bondage so that they can be told how to vote.  That is as simple as it gets.  Don't forget that I lived in poverty and know first hand the abuse and the reality of the system.  

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  Don't forget that I lived in poverty and know first hand the abuse and the reality of the system.  


While dewy was born with the silver spoon provided by his Dad, the White Guilt is oppressing and like Eminem, they both hate being white.  Trying to make up for their ancestor's transgressions

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Will_I_Wynn

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I'm paying for my $20,000 life saving surgery.  I'll be happy I'm alive.  It will have nothing to do with me wanting to spend the $20,000.

A Country is judged by how it cares for the less fortunate.  Anyways, argue all you want about spending on things you don't like.  That's your right and your obligation.  Until the laws say otherwise, it's our responsibility to pay our own way.  To ask our children to cover our disagreements in spending today is extremely unfortunate.

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TheNarrator

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A Country is judged by how it cares for the less fortunate.


I, and Americans all over the country, couldn't agree more. We just had an election and the people spoke.

The GOP just has a different way of caring for them than the dems, and that is okay.  We've had 8 years of President Obama and the income gap is larger - give the GOP a chance.  Sometimes a hand up is better than a hand out.  You can't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer.
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We can argue forever about why we have deficits and who is responsible.  The debate here is why we as a society shouldn't pay our own way?  Why do we find it necessary to borrow from future generations to pay for our services?  At the very least, how do we cut our taxes even more while we're so deep in the hole?  I get the Corporate tax solution.  It may end up having merit.  I just don't get why regular well-to-do folks should expect a tax break when we are so deep in debt.
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Cut spending
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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I'm paying for my $20,000 life saving surgery.  I'll be happy I'm alive.  It will have nothing to do with me wanting to spend the $20,000.

A Country is judged by how it cares for the less fortunate.  Anyways, argue all you want about spending on things you don't like.  That's your right and your obligation.  Until the laws say otherwise, it's our responsibility to pay our own way.  To ask our children to cover our disagreements in spending today is extremely unfortunate.


Did you get the life saving guarantee?

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
uwApoligist

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The debate here is why we as a society shouldn't pay our own way? 

Exactly.  You pay your way.  I will pay mine.  No need for duhvernement handouts.  We could totally delete the entire fed bureaucracy.  This is exactly what we have been advocating.

Took you a while to get here, but hey, at least you finally made it.

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Will_I_Wynn

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"A Country is judged by how it cares for the less fortunate."


"I, and Americans all over the country, couldn't agree more.



Well, so much for that.

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"A Country is judged by how it cares for the less fortunate."


"I, and Americans all over the country, couldn't agree more.



Well, so much for that.

Does not take duhvernment bureaucracy to take care of poor.  Way better to do that with charitable organizations.  

When government takes $100k, they waste $70-$80k.  There are some charities that more than 95% go directly to those that need the help.

So turns out it is you, the socialist, that do not like helping the poor.

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TheNarrator

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"A Country is judged by how it cares for the less fortunate."


"I, and Americans all over the country, couldn't agree more.



Well, so much for that.



Not quite sure what you mean by this.  Are you implying that I, and fellow conservatives, don't care as much for the less fortunate than you and those on the left?

I know you aren't big on answering questions anymore, but a potential cheap shot like that probably deserves an explanation.
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We can argue forever about why we have deficits and who is responsible.  The debate here is why we as a society shouldn't pay our own way?  Why do we find it necessary to borrow from future generations to pay for our services?  At the very least, how do we cut our taxes even more while we're so deep in the hole?  I get the Corporate tax solution.  It may end up having merit.  I just don't get why regular well-to-do folks should expect a tax break when we are so deep in debt.


You didn't care for 8 years.  Excuse us if we see this new position as purely partisan.
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"When government takes $100k, they waste $70-$80k."


As always, challenge what you read on the internet.  It is often made up.

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Does not take duhvernment bureaucracy to take care of poor.  Way better to do that with charitable organizations.  

When government takes $100k, they waste $70-$80k.  There are some charities that more than 95% go directly to those that need the help.

So turns out it is you, the socialist, that do not like helping the poor.


Perhaps if militant gays weren't hellbent on putting Christian bakers out of business, those Christian bakers would have been able to help feed the poor.
TheNarrator

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"A Country is judged by how it cares for the less fortunate."


"I, and Americans all over the country, couldn't agree more.



Well, so much for that.


I do wish you would answer my question as to what you meant by this.  Those out there reading this want to know if you think you care more for the less fortunate than I an other conservatives do.

Please let us know.  A lack of answer by you will show that our thoughts at what you meant are correct, and heinous.
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Dewy said deficit for 2018 would be $688 Trillion


As always, challenge what you read on the internet.  It is often made up.

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Will_I_Wynn

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Democrats always care about deficits.  Always have.  It's a GOP partisan campaign to say otherwise.  As I said earlier, we support taxes to cover our Government services.  We feel we should pay for our own wants and needs and not pass the burden off to future generations.
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Democrats always care about deficits.  Always have.  It's a GOP partisan campaign to say otherwise.  As I said earlier, we support taxes to cover our Government services.  We feel we should pay for our own wants and needs and not pass the burden off to future generations.


And if those wants and needs keep growing as they always have?

You told us all that the government had achieved record tax receipts, yet we still spend more than we take in.  Can you not understand the problem here?
TheNarrator

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"A Country is judged by how it cares for the less fortunate."


"I, and Americans all over the country, couldn't agree more.



Well, so much for that.


Will - what did you mean by this statement?

It's a shame you won't answer simple questions about your own statements.  If you truly believe the left cares more than the right, simply make your case.
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"And if those wants and needs keep growing as they always have?"


Whatever laws we pass as a nation we must pay for.  All the complaining in the world does not change the fact we must pay, not those behind us.  It is wrong to ask for future generations to cover our financial decisions.  Now with the understanding people are living longer, I have no problem asking everyone, including young workers, to pay more in Medicare and SS payroll taxes.  No problem changing retirement age either.  Future generations must be included when it comes to covering their future benefits.  However, none of this offsets the shameful behavior to cut our tax obligations after we just finished a year with a deficit of $666 Billion.

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Why do those on the left think they care more about the less fortunate than those on the right.  What a heinous and irresponsible thing to say.  Just because you differ on the best way to help these folks doesn't mean you care any more or less. 

I can't think of a single quote that explains our divide on helping our country that Will_I_Wynn's.  Hopefully he is just reusing dem talking points and does not actually believe that.  I would never say he doesn't care about black folks as much as me because he wants to keep them on welfare.
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Cut spending, save the children.
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Will_I_Wynn

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"He wants to keep them on welfare."


As I say over and over, challenge what you read on the internet.  It is often completely made up.

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What did democrats do before 1913 ?
TheNarrator

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"He wants to keep them on welfare."


As I say over and over, challenge what you read on the internet.  It is often completely made up.


Let's debate it.  If it is wrong, tell us why.  I answered your completely ignorant statement about conservatives not caring about the less fortunate.

I doubt you will.
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D-  "A Country is judged by how it cares for the less fortunate."

R-  "I, and Americans all over the country, couldn't agree more."

Another R-  "You pay your way.  I will pay mine.  No need for duhvernement handouts.  We could totally delete the entire fed bureaucracy."





D-  Well, so much for that.



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We didn't start Medicare, SS, and SNAP because our citizens were successfully taking care of the sick, old, and hungry.
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D-  "A Country is judged by how it cares for the less fortunate."

R-  "I, and Americans all over the country, couldn't agree more."

Another R-  "You pay your way.  I will pay mine.  No need for duhvernement handouts.  We could totally delete the entire fed bureaucracy."

D-  Well, so much for that.




So your answer is to quote UWA, who was saying that folks should work more for what they get.  Your answer is to not cut their handouts from those who have worked hard and have more.

Again, your statement is why politics in America has such a great divide.  The left and the right just have different ways of wanting to help these folks.  American's have decided that your way might not be the best right now.
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