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Still_JAD

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http://www.fastpitchrecruiting.com/changing-times.html

THE TIMES MAY BE A-CHANGIN'...RECRUITING-WISE, THAT IS!
Catharine Aradi
                                                                                      


There are some 
POTENTIALLY huge recruiting changes pending at the Division I level in 2018.   Votes will be tallied in the spring, and if approved, the new guidelines could go into effect as early as August of this year. The impact could vary from moderate to major depending upon which proposals pass.  But here is a brief summary of what is being proposed and how it might affect your college search.  (Remember, these guideline changes will impact Div. I colleges only. They will not affect the other 75% of college softball teams---e.g., Div. II, Div. III and NAIA programs.)

1. The NCAA could revise the date when prospects can start taking official visits to Div. I colleges.

As of now, recruits cannot take official (paid for) visits to a Div. I college until they start their senior year in high school. This proposal would change that rule and allow prospects to begin taking official visits as early as the junior year. (If this proposal passes, voters will have to decide whether the start date for official visits would be Sept. 1 or Jan. 1 of the junior year.)

2. The NCAA may establish a date when unofficial visits to Div. I colleges can include a face-to-face meeting with the softball coaches on campus.

As of now, players can visit a campus unofficially (or at their own expense) at any time and can meet with the softball coaching staff. If this proposal passes, while prospects would still be allowed to visit campuses unofficially whenever they wanted to, they would not be able to meet the coaching staff until a specific date.  (If this proposal passes, the date when prospects can meet with the softball coach on an unofficial visit would either be set at the start of the junior year or possibly at the start of the sophomore year.)

3. The NCAA may change the current guideline pertaining to player-initiated phone calls to Div. I college coaches and attach a start date before which these would not be permitted.

Right now, a player can phone a Div. I coach at any time, and if you reach the coach, he or she can talk to you regardless of your grad year. However, if this proposal passes, 
Div. I college coaches would not be able to take phone calls from prospects until the start of the junior year.  The start of the junior year is currently the time when D-I coaches can start phoning prospects (initiating contact) for recruiting purposes. This proposal would effectively prohibit all phone contact between players and D-I coaches until the player had started her junior year.

So...what brought this all about?
  Simply put, the tidal wave of frustration over early commitments to Div. I colleges by players barely out of diapers finally turned in the direction of softball.  Other sports such as lacrosse have already enacted legislation designed to put an end to early recruiting/commitments. Essentially, lacrosse coaches cannot have any contact with prospects (outside of camps or clinics) until the start of the junior year.

There may be more resistance, particularly among some conferences, to the passing of similar legislation in softball, but the consensus is it is only a matter of time before these proposals become law.  If not this year...then soon.  Let us hope that sanity rules the day, and that softball will emulate the wise decision made by Div. I lacrosse coaches!

And what will this mean for you? For one thing, it will level the playing field (pun intended) somewhat.  Although no more than 10-15% of players in a given graduation year will commit "early"---e.g., before the middle of the junior year---those girls who do commit tend to fall into two distinct groups.

A small percentage of them are the most elite athletes---the next Jenny Finch or Lisa Fernandez or Kelly Barnhill. These girls will always stand out as heads above their peers. They will shine at each level of competition they move to, and they will continue to be standouts once they're in college.  They are the All Americans of tomorrow.

But the second and much larger group of early commit players are simply girls who grew bigger and stronger a little sooner than their classmates. Because they mature earlier, they are more likely to have access to better travel teams and coaching and better competition, and they are more likely to be noticed sooner.  But this does not (by any means) guarantee they will still be bigger and stronger than their peers when they enter college. In fact, many of their classmates will have caught up with them, and some will have passed them by.

Under the new rules, Div. I college coaches will still be able to scout and evaluate younger players. But they will have almost no opportunity to pursue early commitments from them. Essentially, Div. I coaches will be asked to leave players alone until they are juniors. So some athletes who perhaps don't mature as early and who may not stand out as 8th, 9th or 10th graders may now be able to catch up with their peers.  Of course, this will make recruiting more competitive for some players/families, and these girls may have to work harder than they would have as younger prospects!

Hopefully, these guideline changes will encourage athletes (and Div. I college coaches) to make smarter choices. Players will not have the pressure to commit as early thus allowing them the time to identify all of their collegiate needs and interests. They will be able to take longer to decide if playing college ball is indeed right for them, and if it is, to explore different schools.  If Div. I coaches respect the new rules and don't try to "back door" commitments, this change will be a fantastic one for all concerned.

Watch my web page and the NCAA web page for updates on these changes as 2018 unfolds. And if they pass, that loud "hooray" you hear echoing around every softball field in the country will have started at my front door!
PBLC20

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So if I'm correct, a Div. I coach could conceivably under these new rules tell a travel coach that "we want Player X and have a full ride for her?"  The travel coach passes this along to the family.  The family visits the school without seeing the coach and then passes word back through the travel coach that the girl would love to attend X University to play softball on a full ride.  The player has already attended one or two camps at the school, so she has had a chance to meet and interact with the coaching staff, even if recruiting wasn't discussed.

Am I missing something?  Are the discussions right now with a 7th or 8th grader on Unofficial Visits really of such substance about academics and program culture that they will seal the deal, or is it that the girl really wants to play softball at a top 25 softball school?

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So if I'm correct, a Div. I coach could conceivably under these new rules tell a travel coach that "we want Player X and have a full ride for her?"  The travel coach passes this along to the family.  The family visits the school without seeing the coach and then passes word back through the travel coach that the girl would love to attend X University to play softball on a full ride.  The player has already attended one or two camps at the school, so she has had a chance to meet and interact with the coaching staff, even if recruiting wasn't discussed.

Am I missing something?  Are the discussions right now with a 7th or 8th grader on Unofficial Visits really of such substance about academics and program culture that they will seal the deal, or is it that the girl really wants to play softball at a top 25 softball school?



You are dead on and that scenario will occur. That said I do think it will slow it down the recruiting.

Coaches are already taking a leap of faith committing these young kids. Now they would have to do it without having weekly calls or being able to sit down face to face to evaluate the kid and their parents as they made an offer to them. They also will no longer be able to lure kids to campus with football or basketball tickets. Finally you will not see nearly as many kids driving and flying into attend camps at 13 and 14 years old. This is going to cost the coaches thousands of dollars in camp money IMHO. In the end. less face time to evaluate the ability and the character of the kid.

One more thing that changes. If a coach offers today and resends the offer there is no accountability for that coach. But what happens if the coach circumvents the rules and offers early only to pull the offer later? Then an upset mom or dad can pick up the phone and call the NCAA. That’s an interesting new dynamic.

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You are dead on and that scenario will occur. That said I do think it will slow it down the recruiting. Coaches are already taking a leap of faith committing these young kids. Now they would have to do it without having weekly calls or being able to sit down face to face to evaluate the kid and their parents as they made an offer to them. They also will no longer be able to lure kids to campus with football or basketball tickets. Finally you will not see nearly as many kids driving and flying into attend camps at 13 and 14 years old. This is going to cost the coaches thousands of dollars in camp money IMHO. In the end. less face time to evaluate the ability and the character of the kid. One more thing that changes. If a coach offers today and resends the offer there is no accountability for that coach. But what happens if the coach circumvents the rules and offers early only to pull the offer later? Then an upset mom or dad can pick up the phone and call the NCAA. That’s an interesting new dynamic.


It may well end up as you say.  But, possibly once thru a slower cycle of now verballed attendees, you might see a much larger attendance at camps by an older, more mature, and more refined prospects, bringing the camp money back where it currently is, but also giving the coaches a look at the full class available.
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You are dead on and that scenario will occur. That said I do think it will slow it down the recruiting. Coaches are already taking a leap of faith committing these young kids. Now they would have to do it without having weekly calls or being able to sit down face to face to evaluate the kid and their parents as they made an offer to them. They also will no longer be able to lure kids to campus with football or basketball tickets. Finally you will not see nearly as many kids driving and flying into attend camps at 13 and 14 years old. This is going to cost the coaches thousands of dollars in camp money IMHO. In the end. less face time to evaluate the ability and the character of the kid. One more thing that changes. If a coach offers today and resends the offer there is no accountability for that coach. But what happens if the coach circumvents the rules and offers early only to pull the offer later? Then an upset mom or dad can pick up the phone and call the NCAA. That’s an interesting new dynamic.


So far, this and other rules-contortionist behavior have not proven to be a issue in lacrosse, which has already implemented these rules.  We can all dream up these types of ways to "avoid" the letter, while violating the spirit, of these rules, but they're usually too cute by far, and don't wind up materially gutting the intended impact of the new rules.
Still_JAD

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If there are no "verbal commitments" then college coaches are not bound by the unwritten rule not to recruit players who are verballed to other schools.
rudymartinez

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The top schools get the vast majority of the best players regardless of the recruiting rules. There will never be a draft. Live, let live, enjoy the journey.Your kid's a two percenter if they are fortunate enough to play in college.
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Nice to 'see' Cathi as a enduring relevant voice. Every year she told me this might be the last. Could be the only misinformation she's ever given. [biggrin]


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If there are no "verbal commitments" then college coaches are not bound by the unwritten rule not to recruit players who are verballed to other schools.


I would love it if this unwritten rule went away. 
BigTenSoftball

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The NCAA has it's own proposal separate from the softball proposal. The softball coaches association has proposed to adopt the lacrosse model which states NO recruiting discussions with anyone, including travel coaches, until Sept 1 of junior year. This proposal also prohibits recruiting discussions at camps.  So if an athlete verbals prior to their junior year or claims they have an offer, they would be lying, or someone has broken the rules. 

The NCAA proposal would still allow student-athletes to call coaches creating a major loophole.
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If the new rule prohibits all discussions of recruiting of a player until her junior year, then the rule would work unless someone cheated.  But if girls who are sophomores and younger are still permitted to call coaches, but can't discuss recruiting, what in the world are they going to talk about?  Twenty One Pilots?  Lisa and Lena?  Trump vs. Oprah?
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At the least, it'll be harder for recruiters to put the hard sell on young recruits: decide now, or see the offer go to another girl. Can you trust the terms of an offer relayed through your club coach, without being able to talk face-to-face with the head coach? Hopefully, both recruiters and recruits will take a step back and wait.

I agree that the danger is that a few unethical coaches will spoil it for everyone else by giving under-the-table offers and accepting silent verbals. I'd rather they make early offers official, but requiring that un-retractable scholarship awards accompany them, say before junior year.

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Someone please enlighten me as to how this going to improve college softball.
Parity?
Full rides for everyone?
Coaches honesty?
More players getting scholarships?
????????
BigTenSoftball

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If the new rule prohibits all discussions of recruiting of a player until her junior year, then the rule would work unless someone cheated.  But if girls who are sophomores and younger are still permitted to call coaches, but can't discuss recruiting, what in the world are they going to talk about?  Twenty One Pilots?  Lisa and Lena?  Trump vs. Oprah?


You're misunderstanding.......there are 2 proposals.

The NCAA proposal is for all sports except basketball and football, and also lax which has its own set of rules.  This proposal still permits athletes to call college coaches, where offers could then be discussed. The NCAA proposal includes some contact as early as sophomore year, and moves official visits up to junior year.

The softball proposal, which mirrors the lax proposal, restricts ALL recruiting discussions until junior year. No calls, no visits, no recruiting discussions at camps, no discussions with travel coaches.  Once September 1st rolls around, it will be a free for all to contact kids and get them on campus.
BigTenSoftball

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Not sure, who you are referring to, but I edited my statement.
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OK.... that makes sense
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You're misunderstanding.......there are 2 proposals.

The NCAA proposal is for all sports except basketball and football, and also lax which has its own set of rules.  This proposal still permits athletes to call college coaches, where offers could then be discussed. The NCAA proposal includes some contact as early as sophomore year, and moves official visits up to junior year.

The softball proposal, which mirrors the lax proposal, restricts ALL recruiting discussions until junior year. No calls, no visits, no recruiting discussions at camps, no discussions with travel coaches.  Once September 1st rolls around, it will be a free for all to contact kids and get them on campus.


Thank you.  I had been hearing parts of both, but until now thought it was all from the Div. I coaches proposal.  I didn't realize the NCAA had a proposal, so now it makes sense.  Unless they go with the coaches' proposal, early verbals will continue, although they might slow down a bit.

To answer rudymartinez' question, I think the argument is that it will benefit college softball by ensuring that girls make more informed choices when choosing a school, maybe leading to fewer transfers and just happier students overall.  


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These rules (if people opt to follow the spirit of them) would benefit softball tremendously! I work with players of recruitable age for a living and I’m so tired of seeing three types of kids:
1- the kid who verballed in 8th grade who feels that she doesn’t need to keep getting better because she’s already good enough
2- the kid who is a sophomore in HS and needs to have all the sharp objects removed from her kitchen when she goes home at night because “all the money is already gone for sophomores” (thank you ultra (not) helpful alarmist parents and TB coaches).
3- the kid who will only show up to work if somehow a college coach will be in attendance or will hear that she showed up.
I actually had a kid last week who hasn’t even started her 10th grade season crying her eyes out because no one wants her and “all the money for 2020’s is gone”. Her final question before opting out of further training sessions that would improve her drastically by giving her opportunity to catch multiple pitchers who are verballed to schools that she wants to go to was, “what am i training for anyway”?
I understand that this kid is completely missing the point, but with the current situation, a staggering number of kids are also missing that same point. Their tournaments have become misery where they, their coaches and families are constantly scanning the stands for any college coaches. They only feel as though they are playing to “get verballed” and have forgotten how much fun it is to play to win. They only train to try to get someone’s attention as opposed to being locked in on getting better on the field because that’s all they need to worry about for now. I so hope that however they manage to do it, the current recruiting disaster comes to a stop.
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Z, thank you for your response. However and I don't begrudge you for it, when you said you work with recruitable kids for a living that summed up the landscape of youth sports. Sports has become a business. Businesses strive to increase profits and cut costs. Athletes/players are now merely production units. Today's market has been identified and is exploited. Too many parents with small minds, big pockets and bigger egos fuel the machine. New and improved recruiting rules won't solve this. (Neither will Trump, shout out to Misc. peeps.) The travel ball steam roller just keeps rolling along, chewing up and spitting out the kids.

Hey teacher! Leave those kids alone
All in all they're just another brick in the wall.

Z, you have my support and I wish you success in slaying the dragon.
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Parents are on Twitter listening to the Twitter warriors.........These "experts" are convincing parents to push their kids harder-and-harder at younger ages..........This snow-ball is picking-up-steam..........Travel-ball coaches are under more pressure than ever from the parents.........

Twitter is chock-full of experts - just send 'em some video and they'll make your kid a great hitter or pitcher...........You have a choice - there's plenty of 'em............Oh, and make sure you send the check, too.........

Doesn't matter where you live, an expert in Connecticut can teach your kid in Iowa to become a chamion - no problem..............

This early-recruiting nonsense is on the gullible parents.............
rudymartinez

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You are right about twitter warriors Blue. I heard about this guy in the D.C. area trying to rule the world via twitter.
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Well, doesn't the Don always rule?
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As far as recruiting , parents that push the most often have kids that are the least talented. The rose colored glass parents deserve to be taken by the twitter warriors. 
Coaches , if buckling under pressure from parents, aren't good coaches then to begin with. Kids who are uncoachable or act as coachz described won't make it anyway and are just a product of their parents bad parenting.
The irony, The Don uses twitter to stir the pot. He is playing the media and the left like a fiddle. All those that fall for it are no different than those parents you speak of.
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He is a moron. A lying moron.
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Fresh, why all the hatred?
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NFCA article:

https://nfca.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7638:ncaa-division-i-coaches-take-a-stand-against-early-recruiting&catid=284&Itemid=149
BigTenSoftball

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This article contains info comparing the two proposals:  https://nfca.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7620&Itemid=158
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Still hope to hear that there is video replay in (at least) the supers onward, and a third paid assistant
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Fresh, why all the hatred?


Merely stating a fact.

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Fresh once again claiming his opinion is fact. Your problem to begin with. I thought you took your ball and went home ?
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