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PGP - Me, and any intelligent human being with an open mind who will consider just what is a life well spent, who respects the ideas of others, and who is looking to apply the lessons of good literature to the quandries of life and the concepts that have formulated our societies and institutions.


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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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JG - sorry but good literature doesn't put a dollar in your pocket. I'm sure working people don't sit back during the day and ponder quotes of Ernest Hemingway or William Faulkner.


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There is no more sure a mind than a narrow one.


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Do any of these quotes put money in your pocket?


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PGP - If that is your singular value and sense of worth, then Ken Lay should be your hero, or maybe Bernie Madoff. Personally, despite that you try your damnedness to hide it, I think there's more substance to you than simply acquiring and spending coin. Now, had you read Wordsworth - "getting and spending we lay waste our powers. There is little in our nature that is ours", you might have considered a different definition of self worth. Have you read "An American Tragedy"? It's a turn of the 20th century novel about a guy who places wealth above all else. His personal tragedy is a result. It combines the Horatio Alger syndrome with conflicting personal values during the Industrial Revolution - good read.
PS - One can have lots and lots of money, and be truly educated and understanding of the human predicament also. They do not necessarily oppose one another. I wish you good fortune in whatever way you choose to feel good about the life you live.

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"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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JG - Don't care for Wadsworth or Alger. The only people I have to read are Ringolsby, Kurkjian, Olney, & Karabell. They are more entertaining than any author or poet you can come up with. Conversations headed up by Al LaMacchia and Roland Hemond are life lessons that those 2 old timers can teach better than some writer who has been dead 50 to 100 years.


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Do any of these quotes put money in your pocket?
 
They have. Hardly a fortune, as the fourth estate pays in paltry fashion. However, that one is for you, free of charge.

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You chose your profession. Obviously you don't care what you make. But I do care about what I make.


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PGP - Well, that is certainly one approach. Making money is what you do. Literature and other vehicles of mankind's expression will help you decide who and what you are. May I suggest broadening your cultural horizons? You might just find other interests fascinating, and other descriptions of success understandable and rewarding.
PS - You misunderstand me. I care about what I make and how I manage it, but I haven't mistaken it for what or who I am beyond a good provider for my family, a financial responsibility that I chose with my eyes open. Our three children have done extremely well financially from their parents and will do even better when my lovely wife and I leave "this mortal coil". I know that we will have left them much more than money, however.

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"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking. Where it is absent discussion is apt to become worse than useless." Leo Tolstoy

"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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What is it with you people with literature and cultural horizons? How do you know if I don't frequent museums and Broadway shows? You people have an unhealthy obsession with quotes from authors and poets. Maybe some of you should join my friend Deirdre teaching in college and not making any significant amount of money.


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PGP - Do you have "an unhealthy obsession" with money? Museums and Broadway are good, if you get something out of them beyond being able to say that you've been there. You know, I am sure, the story about the New Yorker who was about to take a date to the opera until she said, "I've already seen one".
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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I think all can agree that PGP has a unique style of expressing himself.  Over the years many have chosen to deal with it differently; ignore it, confront it sarcastically, confront it civilly, make lite of it etc.  While a consensus might well agree that some of his posts are offensive, there are many in that group that are offensive in other ways, and then it becomes a matter of degree and an argument about who is more offensive.  In the case with many of the posts on the forum, and particularly in misc., and depending on my mood, I look past how something is said and try to see what is meant, however other times, how it is said overrides my ability or desire to do so.  A post doesn't have to contain colorful language or threats to offend or anger someone.  Just read what some of you have posted.  PGP's points about Casey Daigle are valid if for no other reason than they are his opinion and he is entitled to it.  He is also entitled to his opinion of the attractiveness of women in the public eye.  Arguing about the mechanics of Internet technology doesn't strike me as very productive in this case.  I was offended by the reference to Casey Daigle as Mr. Jennie Finch.  I don't know any husband famous or not that would appreciate that frame of reference, but that didn't seem to draw anyone's ire other than PGP.

A comment was made that it is PGP that is holding down the level of participation in Misc.  I doubt that.  I have many friends that visit the forum, and if anything, their reason for not posting beyond a lack of interest in politics, is mostly because of the criticism posters receive for expressing their opinions.

I didn't read PGP to say money is the most important thing to him, he did say it is important and indicated at times more so than particular quotations from the literary world.  He is certainly entitled to his own value system without being compared to a common criminal.  More often than not, one's original thoughts are more interesting and informative than quotations from others  no matter how famous or erudite they may be or have been.

It has been said before and will probably draw an attack, but if someone doesn't like what PGP or anyone else posts, don't read their posts.

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Frank,

I'm just curious.  Do you ever have an original thought or are you only capable of spewing out other's thoughts?  Every one of your posts is a finger wagging, quote filled, parental lesson. Could you please try just once to have a more "normal" conversation?
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WBHR-

Did you have any problems with my attempting to deflect George's assertion that his links were somehow censored?

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I consider myself both a dreamer all the while being an academic.
I play the lottery every week....(Dreamer side)
Academics pays my bills. I read some literature, but more times than not I am reading research. Realism? Realist? Lackofmoneyist?


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JoiseyGuy

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swifty - I have personal thoughts and opinions all the time. Your characterization of my posts is unfair and your semantic use of the word "spewing" is unnecessary unless you and I have a different concept of "normal". As for most of the "great thoughts" that I've dredged up from my nature given intelligence, the more I become educated the more I realize that someone else had those same thoughts, perhaps in a different form or forum, many years before me.

As for quotations, I find many apt in given circumstances.

I can also discuss in depth how I feel about the Buccaneers' chances this fall or argue the best way to throw a riser or coach a football, basketball, baseball, or softball team. I can also tell you the best grasses and upkeep in Jersey and Florida. I have run my own corporation and been very successful. I have also lectured at university in the area of literature. I have literally been to the White House (oval office) and the Outhouse. Actually, I'm pretty much a social chameleon so I'm comfortable in almost any conversation. I have played football, basketball, baseball, and softball, all at least at the collegiate level (major men's fastpitch), and I've kicked ass in the taverns as a young man (I'm not very proud of that). If you and I were watching a softball game together, you wouldn't recognize my interest or vocabulary usage and you wouldn't hear one literary reference. I try to be "appropriate". Besides, I love to learn from others and test my ideas by throwing them out for constructive criticism or acceptance. That sometimes elicits posts like your last one, unfortunately.

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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I was offended by the reference to Casey Daigle as Mr. Jennie Finch. 


Yeah, I'll bet.  It was a simple identifying phrase for our readers.  If the family found ill intention on my part, they'll feel free to call me. 
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Nope, just what it deteriorated into, I thought it was a little pissy, also I can understand and appreciate how he would assume it had been censored,


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Did you have any problems with my attempting to deflect George's assertion that his links were somehow censored?
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I was offended by the reference to Casey Daigle as Mr. Jennie Finch. 


Yeah, I'll bet.  It was a simple identifying phrase for our readers.  If the family found ill intention on my part, they'll feel free to call me. 


You can spin it any way you want.  Simple identification is:  "Casey Daigle, Jennie Finch's husband."
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...also I can understand and appreciate how he would assume it had been censored
 
You know what they say about that word.

And today, I've grown tired of assuming the role of Rodney King in this part of the forum. The burden of knowledge has become too great. Hahahahaha.

WBH, Catch up with me in Chino Hills at the Worth thing in a couple of weekends? You've got my number.

PGP, Tried to help. You can take exception to my sarcasm, that's ok, my post was entirely intended to barb-laden. Your paranoia was misplaced. Rebuffing my explanation was pure folly. BTW, the quote was my own, it's what I do.

Dewey, In all this back-and-forth, I've never explained that much of your political leanings are in opposition to mine. How come we get along so well? Hope to see you in Chino Hills as well.

Frank, Yeah, for F's sake, have an original thought! Hahaha.

And such is my dream, me the romantic (as asserted by POV)...

I'm standing chatting with a few players after winning our first game in the Worth. From all corners of the complex, friends spot me...can't miss "the shorts". They wander by, forget their differences on the UCS board and we dig into some tall tale telling about softball games come and gone.

The players are relieved, with me so occupied, they don't have to be polite and listen. Off they go for their own version of rest and reflection.

So, come on guys. Drop by. Consider it an errand of mercy.

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Dewey, In all this back-and-forth, I've never explained that much of your political leanings are in opposition to mine. How come we get along so well? Hope to see you in Chino Hills as well.



I've known that for quite some time Mr. Smith.  Political opinions should never interfere with friendships.  If that were the case, I'd have to stop associating with 50.9% of the people I know.  And you're not alone in this forum.  I've met or shared great PM's with other Conservatives here too. 

As for your appearance in the Worth, there may be a Butterfield Park in Chino Hills too but I believe you're headed for Corona.  Maybe I can make one day too.  Thanks.
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PGP, Tried to help. You can take exception to my sarcasm, that's ok, my post was entirely intended to barb-laden. Your paranoia was misplaced. Rebuffing my explanation was pure folly. BTW, the quote was my own, it's what I do.


Bill - I don't mind your sarcasm at all. It's well received. Others I can't say the same thing for.

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BillSmith, while leaving tar balls and oil slicks is appealing, a trek across country without even a kid playing would not be worth it.  I think you have me mixed up with someone else.
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Dewey, In all this back-and-forth, I've never explained that much of your political leanings are in opposition to mine. How come we get along so well? Hope to see you in Chino Hills as well.



I've known that for quite some time Mr. Smith.  Political opinions should never interfere with friendships.  If that were the case, I'd have to stop associating with 50.9% of the people I know.  And you're not alone in this forum.  I've met or shared great PM's with other Conservatives here too. 

As for your appearance in the Worth, there may be a Butterfield Park in Chino Hills too but I believe you're headed for Corona.  Maybe I can make one day too.  Thanks.
Dewey-good thing you live in Cali, here in mizzo that 50.9 % might be 60.9 or think if you lived in Texas

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Yep, Texas would be in the 90% territory. All that aside, Dewey, JG and Bill Smith you are all funny stand up guys that I enjoy conversing with online. That said, we should all consider a UCS convention at a neutral site, say a sports bar in Oklahoma. Is that neutral enough? Maybe a Casino in Mississippi or Louisiana?? PGP could arrange security, and Old Scout could be Master of Ceremonies. I am sure we could all lose money at the tables regardless of political leanings.
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All that aside, Dewey, JG and Bill Smith you are all funny stand up guys that I enjoy conversing with online. That said, we should all consider a UCS convention at a neutral site, say a sports bar in Oklahoma. Is that neutral enough? Maybe a Casino in Mississippi or Louisiana?? PGP could arrange security, and Old Scout could be Master of Ceremonies. I am sure we could all lose money at the tables regardless of political leanings.


I smell a ____jk   Can I borrow $100?
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The juice on a $100.00 lent to you might be pretty steep! Just trying to keep pace with the impending tax hikes 
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The juice on a $100.00 lent to you might be pretty steep! Just trying to keep pace with the impending tax hikes 

Never mind then.  That's not the kind of juice I'm into.

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Woody- I would even be willing to waive my normal fee that I charge for the honor of speaking for a group like you all.......a few Miller Lites will suffice.


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Now thats the kind of speakers fee I can appreciate!
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