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Canada 9 and Venezuela 4.  USA to face Canada.  
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it looks like Jen Yee has joined
the Canadian team...playing in their 
last 3 games
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Charlie - I recognized all but one of the names on Team USA.  I recognized all but one of the names on the Pride also.         Maybe I get it ??????    Frank                                                                                                    

PS - I did not recognize 3 of the  players on the Comets' starting lineup, so maybe I don't completely get it.

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flow - Jen Yee out of Georgia Tech is one fine softball player.  She was 2 for 2 against Venezuela hitting from the #3 spot.    Frank
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Ueno followed her 5 innings of no hit pitching for Japan against California's As in a 7-0 win with thus far five more no hit innings against Australia.  It looks like Ueno and everybody else thus far.  She is outstanding.

Edit - Final is Japan 7 and Australia 0 in 6 innings and another no hitter for Ueno.   Yikes !!

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Ueno followed her 5 innings of no hit pitching for Japan against California's As with thus far five more no hit innings against Australia.  It looks like Ueno and everybody else thus far.  She is outstanding. 


Joisey- How many of the Japanese regulars played in the game versus the U.S? I don't think I remember seeing the regular CF player for sure, but I could be wrong. These last 2 games it seems like all the regulars have been playing for Team Japan.

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netny - I don't know.  My feeling without data to prove it is that Japan was building program in pool play with their younger kids, but now they are after the gold in medal play big time, so their big girls are in the lineup and we will see lots of Ueno.   Frank
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netny - I don't know.  My feeling without data to prove it is that Japan was building program in pool play with their younger kids, but now they are after the gold in medal play big time, so their big girls are in the lineup and we will see lots of Ueno.   Frank


That's what I was thinking. I am almost positive the CF didn't play in the game vs U.S, but we will all of the big dogs from now on.
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Japan lineup for 10-3 loss to USA earlier this week

Japan
#BatterPABRHRBIBBSOAVG
5Hayashi, Y3B401100.500
4Ichiguchi, Y2B200020.250
28Shimasaki, NCF300003.167
19Ono, NLF211010.200
24Aoki, C1B301001.250
8Nagayoshi, RRF200000.000
12Atsumi, MSS210110.400
25Agatsuma, HC210001.000
10Okubo, MDP202100.500
9  Kawano, MPR000000.500
Japan
#PitcherIPHRERBBSOERA
26  Kozono, M3.07663021.00
13Okamura, N2.14431311.67
 
lineup for Gold Medal game World Cup

Japan
#BatterPABRHRBIBBSOAVG
9Kawano, MCF221020.429
4Ichiguchi, Y2B422201.400
5Hayashi, Y3B402300.235
2Mine, YC402101.385
10Okubo, M1B301011.333
27Kuniyoshi, SLF300002.500
19Ono, NDH413000.455
28Shimasaki, NRF411000.231
12Atsumi, MSS300001.167
24  Aoki, CPH100001.000
 32612637 
Japan
#PitcherIPHRERBBSOERA
13Okamura, N2.0311123.23
18  Nakano, K5.0522301.62
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Gibson home run  to tie up the game in USA vs. Canada (Yee home run in first for Canada) .  They are using that Worth red dot ball which leaps off the bat in this tournament, but Ueno isn't having any trouble with it.  As a former pitcher, I can attest to the influence of the type of ball, seams and core and surface and weight.  Are the field conditions as bad as usual in western Canada??  Our kids are spoiled by manicured fields. Go red, white, and blue !!  
Frank 

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Now 3-1 USA. I swear Lauren Gibson has been unconscious during her play with Team USA.
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nenty - Don't go by the early innings.  The pitching isn't dominant enough to determine the outcome either way.  There's no Ueno on either staff. Eriksen made the right move in bringing Moore in to replace Nevins who was having difficulty finding the corners of home plate, but Moore did not deliver as advertised (PAC 10 pitcher of the year).  She immediately gave up enough runs to tie the ballgame up and then put Canada up 4-3. It aint over till it's over.   Frank

PS - As for Gibson, she is an outstanding softball player in every phase of the game.  

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nenty - Don't go by the early innings.  The pitching isn't dominant enough to determine the outcome either way.  There's no Ueno on either staff. Eriksen made the right move in bringing Moore in to replace Nevins who was having difficulty finding the corners of home plate, but Moore did not deliver as advertised (PAC 10 pitcher of the year).  She immediately gave up enough runs to tie the ballgame up and then put Canada up 4-3. It aint over till it's over.   Frank

PS - As for Gibson, she is an outstanding softball player in every phase of the game.  


The lack of a true ace on the staff is the thing that most worries me. Luckily the USA offense has put up some numbers and Plourde has given up some wild pitches that have helped out. Now he brings in Nevins again in the 7th. Hopefully, the US hangs on to win. I'm looking forward to seeing the US vs Japan.
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US wins 7-4.
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Schedule for Sunday:

11:00 - Cal A's vs. Canada
1:30 - Venezuela vs. Australia
6:30 - Japan vs. USA
8:30 Cal A's/Canada winner vs. Venezuela/Australia winner

My big question for tomorrow - who will go "all out" in the Japan/USA game?

Basically meaning, will Japan pitch Ueno? Who will USA pitch? Will either side try and save something for the Monday finals? I know that a true "competitor's heart" says that both will go all out for every game. My only worry is that USA has won semifinal matches in the past only to lose in the game that really counts (2008 Olympics and 2012 Worlds come to mind).

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netny - Well, I couldn't agree with you more. The pitching cream has been taken off the top of the USA player pool, and the kids we've placed there are doing a helluva job.  I can't believe that they keep on winning - now 6 in a row.  The coaching staff is doing it with smoke and mirrors and lots of mutual intrateam faith. Unfortunately, reality will strike when they have to face a solid Japan Team with Ueno in the circle.  The USA Team and the USA Team coaches have done a terrific job, and I am very proud of their effort and achievements.  I'm crossing my fingers and toes and hoping for a miracle.  Go red, white. and blue. Win or lose, they have represented my country well, and the coaching staff and player roster deserve a "Well done".       Frank
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The USA has the best hitters and most power and their pitchers are not the cream of the crop but still better than the pitching they are facing except Ueno.

If Canada loses on home soil to USA B-team (California A's) and thus eliminated early in the medal round and we will see members of their forum "Ultimate Canadian College Softball" starting threads about weak pitching, mistakes, coaching, and wondering why Canada softball has been going backwards internationally.

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Charlie - I recognized all but one of the names on Team USA.  I recognized all but one of the names on the Pride also.         Maybe I get it ??????    Frank                                                                                                    

PS - I did not recognize 3 of the  players on the Comets' starting lineup, so maybe I don't completely get it.



Same here.
I recognized all but 2 of Team USA. I recognized almost all of the Pride and several of the comets I did not recognize. Also realize there are several girls that did not play college baseball in America that got picked up on NPF teams. Someone mentioned they did not understand how Japanese, dutch and other players were being drafted and picked up by NPF teams when there weren't even enough spots for top American girls.......simple answer= American girls play overseas also so are all countries supposed to kep their leagues restricted to girls from their country? No.....teams get the best players possible including those from other countries that want to join the league. This means NPF will have players we do not recognize....same as team usa. After seeing them play a few times we know them. Team usa is set for a few years....NPF will continue to add and drop including international players.


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Joisey- Hopefully, the hitters will have confidence from the last time they faced Ueno. They hit her well. Playing good defense and some timely hitting and I think Team USA can win. It seems like Erickson has settled on a staff approach with Moore and Nevins and occasionally Hawkins. No big innings for Team Japan and USA will be there at the end. Also, is it me or do the ladies seem a little more relaxed this week?
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netny - I saw a different Ueno (maybe tired or exhausted?) the last time USA played Japan.  She was even having trouble with placement of her vaunted change up so she was only good.  Judging from her last two outings, she is back to being Ueno.  Tonight is actually the championship, gold medal game I think. I would love to see the red, white, and blue win it all - they have represented our nation in a noble fashion, 6-0 with great courage - but Japan has that program maker in the circle.  I wouldn't bet against Japan in this one. USA will need an extraordinary effort from everyone, especially their throwers, to get by this game. Good fortune to them.       Frank
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NYNJ comets lineup today (won't give the pride because they are ex-Olympians and top names)

Quloho, Garcia, Lindley in outfield.....Weseman, Mejia, Kamekona, Shaw in infield...Bunner on mound and Hooks catching.
Their other pitchers are - Mowatt, Galati, Richardson and Sara Plourde (who is pitching for team Canada). Mowatt has a championship ring, Galati pitched great for hofsta and we all know her as a top pitcher. That is it. Their pitching compared to the other teams is weak. Team USA is doing better with players and pitching than NYNJ of NPF (5 wins in 32 games). 2 great teams in NPF full of former Olympians and getting top college players each year (rickets is with pride) and 1 medicocre and 1 that would be competing in Canadian open and maybe finishing 3rd or 4th. When your big first baseman is batting .132 with only 1 HR you have issues.




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Team Canada stays alive with a 1-0 win over the California A's. Jenna Caira went the distance for the Canadians in the circle. Canada will play the Australia/Venezuela winner in the late game tonight.

Edit: Australia run rules Venezuela 9-2 in 6 innings.

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Bottom 5 and Jessica Moore's finest hour, battling Ueno pitch for pitch.  Score is 0-0 in Japan vs. USA.  One mistake or one long ball could determine who falls to the loser's bracket.  A noble effort thus far for Team USA.  Go red, white, and blue.     Frank

Edit: Japan scores 3 with Ueno in the circle.  What was that song that Don Meredith used to sing on Monday night football???  

Before this game began I wanted to post my predictions:  Japan 6-1 or USA 3-1.  One is an intellectual bet, and the other is a hope filled wish.

Edit : That finest hour erupted into business as usual, and Moore is the losing pitcher.  

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Now 3-0 Japan. Hawkins had replaced Moore, but it was a valiant effort by Moore. US had a great scoring chance in the 5th, but squandered it with a strike out and a botched bunt attempt that turned into a runner being picked off of third.
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netny - Japan is just better.  Team USA is second best I think.  Japan scored 5 in bottom 5 despite USA's best efforts.  One, given a USA bias, can only hope that our kids got a lot out of facing the best in the world.  Go red, white, and blue.      Frank
PS - In my vast experience in sports, one absolute that I have noticed is that some games end with scoreboard wins and losses, but no losers.     Frank 
PS - OK, Eriksen and the girls, you're in a position to crawl out of the losers bracket and do the impossible.  You up to it?  

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Would love to have seen Ueno vs. Osterman.  Top Japan vs. top USA.  Instead we get top Japan vs. second tier USA.


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Charlie - OK, I think your message is coming across loud and clear, more than once.    Frank
PS - Yes, Osterman vs. Oeno would be nice as it was a few years ago when USA took silver, but capitalism's singular value is profit, not nationalism.

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Just to be fair.........we do not know if these are the top Japanese players.
Ueno is the only player on roster from 2008 Olympic team that beat Team USA for gold. Look at Canadian open roster and the 2008 team japan roster.
5 of the starters are first timers--4 are 18 years old and 1 is 19.
The rookie 18 year old and rookie 19 year old got the win vs team usa in the gold medal game in the world cup last week. Ueno did not pitch gold medal game.
Michelle smith said japan was building a team for 2020 and Ueno and the catcher were the vets to help them along their way. No one knows Japanese softball better than smitty.

Host Canada lost to Australia 4-6 so loser's bracket final is USA vs Australia.

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Charlie - OK, I think your message is coming across loud and clear, more than once.    Frank
PS - Yes, Osterman vs. Oeno would be nice as it was a few years ago when USA took silver, but capitalism's singular value is profit, not nationalism.


Frank, you're funny.  Even when not trying.  I gotta think that it has more to do with posturing than economics.  Neither the NPF nor the USA team are profitable.  ASA is full of old men who like to flex their muscles.  If you get in their way they like to swat you down like a fly.  I've seen it for years.  The press may say that the NPF is the bad guy but I can guarantee you that the ASA is just as culpable.

The Kelani Ricketts case exposed their character.  If you don't play their game (pun intended) then you're dead to them.  This is all about organizational politics and not economics.  It shows the ASA isn't capable of sharing.  That's why we're seeing many Gold teams leave the ASA.  Personally, I'm hoping the USSSA can take over fastpich.  My daughters played in more USSSA tournaments than ASA and there was a reason for that.
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Just to be fair.........we do not know if these are the top Japanese players.
Ueno is the only player on roster from 2008 Olympic team that beat Team USA for gold. Look at Canadian open roster and the 2008 team japan roster.
5 of the starters are first timers--4 are 18 years old and 1 is 19.
The rookie 18 year old and rookie 19 year old got the win vs team usa in the gold medal game in the world cup last week. Ueno did not pitch gold medal game.
Michelle smith said japan was building a team for 2020 and Ueno and the catcher were the vets to help them along their way. No one knows Japanese softball better than smitty.

Host Canada lost to Australia 4-6 so loser's bracket final is USA vs Australia.


C'mon, this is fastpitch.  Only one position really matters, we all know that.  And, just to be fair, we know for sure that none of the top USA pitchers are on the USA team.
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