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TruDat

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If he told you he believed there was complacency on the team. It's either Scott's fault or his daughter's. I'm sure he wasn't blaming his daughter. It's fairly simple and you're being a d##k.
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I'd rather be a d##k than someone with very poor writing and reading comprehension skills.  

Again, never said he (D. Tincher) said or believed anything other than that his daughter (A. Tincher) expressed to him (D. Tincher) a sense of frustration which would be understandable given the programs current condition and not anything that should warrant much discussion.  Isn't this a CAA thread?  Go ahead and get the last word if you want I'm done with anything you've got to add.
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I will get the last word. He thought it was important enough to tell you that his daughter was frustrated. Obviously not with herself but Thomas. The father, was making a point that things were bad. Connect the dots Mr. Linguistics
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Scot Thomas, while a super nice guy, has underachieved at VT for years. A change here could make them relevant again.  ST has a great relationship with the best Gold travel team in the state and gets most of the states best players as they should.  MD and now Hardin will eat into that base so it wont be as easy.  MD relationship with the Beverly Bandits has produced good players but not the caliber VT has got from Starz program (although they dont seem to be groomed and improve under ST guidance.)  Would love to see the two freshmen pitchers at VT do good and get them back on track as their pitching has been medicore at best for several years now. MD would be a good fit here IMO.  
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Is Wmburg Starz really the best travel team in Va?  I've seen them a couple of times but dd's team never played them although at one showcase tourney with a Sunday bracket a few years ago we lost and advanced anyway because we filled in for the Starz as they won and decided to head home.  We had the team that ended up winning that tourney on the ropes but lost by 1 in the final inning, it was fine by me because we shouldn't have been playing that game anyway and it was the fall so we needed to get home for school the next day.

The highest finishing team from Va at PGF last year was Va Legends and Va.Unity with it's two rising D1 college sophomores may have had the most talent of any Va travel team but that will likely change next year and the following year.  Vienna Stars might have been the best a couple of years ago but then their best pitcher gets committed to Duke and stud leadoff hitter gets committed to Auburn (for now anyway) and they leave and the team come down to earth talent wise.  Va doesn't seem to have a SoCal A's type of team that consistently gets and retains the most talented high school players in the state.  One would think it would be obvious for the top D1 athletic school in the state not to do all their shopping with one travel team but apparently the VT staff thinks it's ok.  I don't know that they rely exclusively on the Wm Starz but it seems that's where most come from.

What I've noticed about VT is their notable absence from most showcases in the state and with 2 dd's that play travel ball I've been going to them for 7-8 years now.  I've seen them in Roanoke but that's about it, never at the Legends showcase in Va Beach or anywhere else.  Longwood comes to all of them, even the obscure ones that are mostly attended by D3 coaches.  I don't remember seeing Dean at showcases but I do frequently see Laporte at them for JMU so you know they don't exclusively rely on the Bandits.  UVa has become much more visible this year at showcases and even high school games and they only have 3 coaches on their staff.
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JMU has got 0 recruits from Starz program in last 4 years while VT has 11.  Deans ego needs to take a back seat or Joanna Hardin among others will be getting the cream of the Virginia talent crop.  Whatever issue he had with the Starz coach has impacted his recruiting of Virginia kids which is unfortunate.  
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Scot Thomas, while a super nice guy, has underachieved at VT for years. A change here could make them relevant again.  ST has a great relationship with the best Gold travel team in the state and gets most of the states best players as they should.  MD and now Hardin will eat into that base so it wont be as easy.  MD relationship with the Beverly Bandits has produced good players but not the caliber VT has got from Starz program (although they dont seem to be groomed and improve under ST guidance.)  Would love to see the two freshmen pitchers at VT do good and get them back on track as their pitching has been medicore at best for several years now. MD would be a good fit here IMO.  


Really?  What's Tech's record vs JMU the last 4 or 5 years?

So last year, Good, Alexander, Arnold, Naujokas and Moran all saw extended time as starters Gordon and Mrozek, Behan all were key contributors off the bench.

Stars can do better than that at Tech?
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Is Wmburg Starz really the best travel team in Va?  I've seen them a couple of times but dd's team never played them although at one showcase tourney with a Sunday bracket a few years ago we lost and advanced anyway because we filled in for the Starz as they won and decided to head home.  We had the team that ended up winning that tourney on the ropes but lost by 1 in the final inning, it was fine by me because we shouldn't have been playing that game anyway and it was the fall so we needed to get home for school the next day.

The highest finishing team from Va at PGF last year was Va Legends and Va.Unity with it's two rising D1 college sophomores may have had the most talent of any Va travel team but that will likely change next year and the following year.  Vienna Stars might have been the best a couple of years ago but then their best pitcher gets committed to Duke and stud leadoff hitter gets committed to Auburn (for now anyway) and they leave and the team come down to earth talent wise.  Va doesn't seem to have a SoCal A's type of team that consistently gets and retains the most talented high school players in the state.  One would think it would be obvious for the top D1 athletic school in the state not to do all their shopping with one travel team but apparently the VT staff thinks it's ok.  I don't know that they rely exclusively on the Wm Starz but it seems that's where most come from.

What I've noticed about VT is their notable absence from most showcases in the state and with 2 dd's that play travel ball I've been going to them for 7-8 years now.  I've seen them in Roanoke but that's about it, never at the Legends showcase in Va Beach or anywhere else.  Longwood comes to all of them, even the obscure ones that are mostly attended by D3 coaches.  I don't remember seeing Dean at showcases but I do frequently see Laporte at them for JMU so you know they don't exclusively rely on the Bandits.  UVa has become much more visible this year at showcases and even high school games and they only have 3 coaches on their staff.


You are not going to see Dean at a Legends Showcase unless there is a kid there he has already offered and wants.  That tournament is beyond bad.  Dean spends his time at PGF, Boulder, Demarini in Chicago, Diamond 9 etc.

There is a ton of talent in the state of Virgina, but they don't hold any above avg softball tourney's.  So it shouldn't be a surprise not to see top end D1 coaches there.

I may be mistaken but I think all colleges have 3 coaches, minus GA's volunteer's etc and they can't recruit either.

If UVA is showing up at all the tourney's in Virginia my guess is you won't see much change in their program.

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Really?  What's Tech's record vs JMU the last 4 or 5 years?

So last year, Good, Alexander, Arnold, Naujokas and Moran all saw extended time as starters Gordon and Mrozek, Behan all were key contributors off the bench.

Stars can do better than that at Tech?


You just made my point exactly.   Tech has had the best players from VIRGINIA and by not developing them (like MD has with his from outside Va) continue to be mediocre. MD makes good players better, ST.....well not so much.  
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I think KYBandit has hit on all the key points. While Starz have produced some good players, Beverly Bandits year in year out turn out some of the best players in the country. I'm sure Dean would recruit Starz kids if it weren't for the fact Tom Bunn is attached to Scott Thomas/VT at the hip. And that is one of the issues VTs program has become mediocre. Thomas goes to the Starz "well" like Dean goes to the Beverly Bandits "well". Well, we see who wins that recruiting war every year. Dean probably takes his dream job next year while Thomas will be lucky to be is Asst. Coach after being fired. 

One of the main reasons kids want to play for the Starz is because of the Va Tech connection. That's all fine and good if you want to play for an average program who's coach doesn't seem to care too much about winning. When/if Thomas gets let go, Tom Bunn will be wondering around lost.

On another note about Starz being best Travel team in Va..Not by a long shot. Va Glory would be before them easily. Starz doesn't play any PGF but has done very well in the JO Cup. Another thing about the Starz & Tom Bunn is their reputation in tournament play is abysmal. They routinely leave events early, leaving other out of town teams in a bind. It's a bit surprising event directors allow them back. Bunn is loud, abusive & overbearing as a sideline coach also. 

As far as the Unity...any coach who would park 2 D1 pitchers on his roster, then play nothing better than ASA...While they did win the ASA Nationals this summer, it took those D1 pitchers and still the they only won 1-0 I believe. So, talented...sure when you're playing B level ball.
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This is just a guess but isn't the Starz best player ever...JJ ford?

Maybe Thomas should get from heat to take the other pitcher on the Starz team that year.  She was very good as well, but not Ford good.  Sure JJ flourished under Dean at JMU but knowing her a little she would have done that under most coaches.
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You just made my point exactly.   Tech has had the best players from VIRGINIA and by not developing them (like MD has with his from outside Va) continue to be mediocre. MD makes good players better, ST.....well not so much.  


Dean's kids get to school far better ready to compete in college. Then Dean gets a hold of them. Not sure Tech is necessarily getting the best Va has to offer. They just get MOST of the Starz kids and, Tech's record speaks for itself. 

Jaylen Ford, W'burg Starz kid went to JMU. Certainly one of the best Catchers to ever come out of Va was Lauren Duff, W'burg Starz kid. Well she quit Va Tech last year after discovering a boyfriend. Most of the best players in Va don't go near the Starz, Bunn is a wack job who quits events & is a tyrant on the sidelines. Believe me, the pull to play for the Stars is the pipeline to Va Tech. 

You are correct in that Thomas not a great developer/motivator of players. His care free, laid back attitude flows downhill...not good for motivating a winning culture
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This is just a guess but isn't the Starz best player ever...JJ ford?

Maybe Thomas should get from heat to take the other pitcher on the Starz team that year.  She was very good as well, but not Ford good.  Sure JJ flourished under Dean at JMU but knowing her a little she would have done that under most coaches.


Who was other pitcher you thinking of? Can't recall.

And yes, Ford best to ever wear Starz uniform.
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Who was other pitcher you thinking of? Can't recall.

And yes, Ford best to ever wear Starz uniform.


Maggie Tyler?
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The Starz are a local program, not a national contender by any stretch. The Bandits are a national program awash in money to bring kids into the fold. This, in turn, allows them to compete against the very best competition, and their kids' performance is indicative of this. Polished gems
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Maggie Tyler?


Yes
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I think KYBandit has hit on all the key points. While Starz have produced some good players, Beverly Bandits year in year out turn out some of the best players in the country. I'm sure Dean would recruit Starz kids if it weren't for the fact Tom Bunn is attached to Scott Thomas/VT at the hip. And that is one of the issues VTs program has become mediocre. Thomas goes to the Starz "well" like Dean goes to the Beverly Bandits "well". Well, we see who wins that recruiting war every year. Dean probably takes his dream job next year while Thomas will be lucky to be is Asst. Coach after being fired. 

One of the main reasons kids want to play for the Starz is because of the Va Tech connection. That's all fine and good if you want to play for an average program who's coach doesn't seem to care too much about winning. When/if Thomas gets let go, Tom Bunn will be wondering around lost.

On another note about Starz being best Travel team in Va..Not by a long shot. Va Glory would be before them easily. Starz doesn't play any PGF but has done very well in the JO Cup. Another thing about the Starz & Tom Bunn is their reputation in tournament play is abysmal. They routinely leave events early, leaving other out of town teams in a bind. It's a bit surprising event directors allow them back. Bunn is loud, abusive & overbearing as a sideline coach also. 

As far as the Unity...any coach who would park 2 D1 pitchers on his roster, then play nothing better than ASA...While they did win the ASA Nationals this summer, it took those D1 pitchers and still the they only won 1-0 I believe. So, talented...sure when you're playing B level ball.


Is this the Vienna Starz?
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Williamsburg Starz Gold
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You are not going to see Dean at a Legends Showcase unless there is a kid there he has already offered and wants.  That tournament is beyond bad.  Dean spends his time at PGF, Boulder, Demarini in Chicago, Diamond 9 etc.

There is a ton of talent in the state of Virgina, but they don't hold any above avg softball tourney's.  So it shouldn't be a surprise not to see top end D1 coaches there.

I may be mistaken but I think all colleges have 3 coaches, minus GA's volunteer's etc and they can't recruit either.

If UVA is showing up at all the tourney's in Virginia my guess is you won't see much change in their program.



Beyond bad in terms of quality of teams, college coach turnout, or both?  I would agree it's not the strongest field in a given year but of the Va softball showcases it gets the highest college coach turnout in the state.  Maybe that's not saying much either though which is why I ask.

I saw Hardin talking to Riley at PGF so I doubt either relies on Va tourneys exclusively for their recruiting but any school needs to have credibility in their own state.  Ask Miller, if anyone can find him, how it worked out for him fighting over SEC and PAC12 leftovers while ignoring everything in state.  
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Beyond bad in terms of quality of teams, college coach turnout, or both?  I would agree it's not the strongest field in a given year but of the Va softball showcases it gets the highest college coach turnout in the state.  Maybe that's not saying much either though which is why I ask.

I saw Hardin talking to Riley at PGF so I doubt either relies on Va tourneys exclusively for their recruiting but any school needs to have credibility in their own state.  Ask Miller, if anyone can find him, how it worked out for him fighting over SEC and PAC12 leftovers while ignoring everything in state.  


Understand the Legends Org. has been around for long time. So long in fact, they are still allotted one of the freebie invites to PGF. Part of the reason they sanction the PGF events in Va. They have turned out some very good players over the years. 

As far as college coach turnout, KYBandit is correct. Rarely will you see consistent top D 1 coaches there. On the other hand, place is jammed up with D2 & D3 coaches.  Much of that is because majority of the best Va kids play for National Travel teams which won't attend these events. Now, Kathy Riley is a different sort of coach. Not only will you see her prowling around Colorado & PGF, you will also see her at a local Softball Nation or NSA local event. Same with Coach LaPorte/JMU. Riley has put together a great program at Longwood built on the back of kids who typically get ignored. Riley can turn an avg player into an All Conference pick in a blink. Hardin has been seen, along with her staff at various High School games. She is making an effort to let Va know, UVA wants to recruit Va. As far as Blake Miller...he was just bad for softball. His first Fall @ UVA, he held a camp where there were no fewer than 5 now current D1 Pitchers in attendance. 2016 & 2017. Zero were even recruited by him. Any one of them would be a #1 or co #1 on the current roster. Come to think, he might have actually set the sport back 10 years all by himself. Think he's cutting grass for some JUCO penal program...
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Understand the Legends Org. has been around for long time. So long in fact, they are still allotted one of the freebie invites to PGF. Part of the reason they sanction the PGF events in Va. They have turned out some very good players over the years. 

As far as college coach turnout, KYBandit is correct. Rarely will you see consistent top D 1 coaches there. On the other hand, place is jammed up with D2 & D3 coaches.  Much of that is because majority of the best Va kids play for National Travel teams which won't attend these events.


True but JMU, UVA & VT aren't top D1 programs and probably should be going to showcases in their own backyard even if they do have to slum it among D2 and D3 coaches because they aren't going to get the top players from top events that the top programs get.  While it's certainly true that the top players in the state go to national travel teams I know of several that aren't that great but play on national teams because their parents checks cleared.  I can think of a few who end up going to mediocre P5 college teams and doing nothing when they get there.  

JMU seemed to get that but coming oh so close to the WCWS may have got them thinking they're really better than they are.  Did MD really think he had a shot at Ballint choosing JMU over Oregon?  I remember you posted that he "settled" on Sandercock after failing to recruit Ballint but Sandercock has been receiving tons of publicity ever since she took a 12u team to the Little League World Series, which I realize is a laughable accomplishment, and only increased with her JWNT exposure which certainly is more significant.  If MD is kicking himself over her decommit it's probably because he recruited her in the first place instead of looking for underpublicized players like Good or Ford. 

I wasn't really following college ball much during Good & Ford's recruitment so please correct me if they got more national attention than I think they did.  One think I do remember though is that the pitching instructor I was taking my kids to back in the day was lamenting that Erica Field chose JMU over other interested SEC schools.  Things worked out great for her which just goes to show if you grind for underappreciated talent you can get some blue chippers to come along too.
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True but JMU, UVA & VT aren't top D1 programs and probably should be going to showcases in their own backyard even if they do have to slum it among D2 and D3 coaches because they aren't going to get the top players from top events that the top programs get.  While it's certainly true that the top players in the state go to national travel teams I know of several that aren't that great but play on national teams because their parents checks cleared.  I can think of a few who end up going to mediocre P5 college teams and doing nothing when they get there.  

JMU seemed to get that but coming oh so close to the WCWS may have got them thinking they're really better than they are.  Did MD really think he had a shot at Ballint choosing JMU over Oregon?  I remember you posted that he "settled" on Sandercock after failing to recruit Ballint but Sandercock has been receiving tons of publicity ever since she took a 12u team to the Little League World Series, which I realize is a laughable accomplishment, and only increased with her JWNT exposure which certainly is more significant.  If MD is kicking himself over her decommit it's probably because he recruited her in the first place instead of looking for underpublicized players like Good or Ford. 

I wasn't really following college ball much during Good & Ford's recruitment so please correct me if they got more national attention than I think they did.  One think I do remember though is that the pitching instructor I was taking my kids to back in the day was lamenting that Erica Field chose JMU over other interested SEC schools.  Things worked out great for her which just goes to show if you grind for underappreciated talent you can get some blue chippers to come along too.


JMU is not a top program??  maybe historically no, but there isn't but a dozen or so more teams that has done what JMU has done past 4 to 5 years.  They have dominated the power 5 outside of the SEC and have a several nice wins against them as well.  That doesn't transcend into them being a top program or at least on their way?

Dean goes to Boulder, Demarini and PGF nationals to watch players that he already has committed...much less to try and get players.  He has players that has won Boulder, Demarini, PGF nationals ASA gold nationals...So your statement is just way off base..

I was told JMU did have a shot Ballint, maybe it was a long shot but still a shot.  A lot of schools above JMU losses out to Oregon so that's not real shocking.

I know Erica Fields parents real well and have talked recruiting at length with them and never recall them saying she choose JMU over any SEC schools...so??  Not that Field couldn't have played there....she for sure could have but as far as I know never had that option.  

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I have said this before. What separates JMU from the other schools in the CAA is the pitching. I have seen all of the teams play. Sure they have some players that are better than some on the other teams but in general you could take every other CAA team except for maybe Drexel and put Good and Ford on them they would pretty much have done the same over the last several years plus or minus a few games. So it really doesn't matter where MD goes to get his players.
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I was told JMU did have a shot Ballint, maybe it was a long shot but still a shot.  A lot of schools above JMU losses out to Oregon so that's not real shocking.


Takes a unique kid to go from the East Coast to P5 on the West Coast. Does not happen often at all.
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I have said this before. What separates JMU from the other schools in the CAA is the pitching. I have seen all of the teams play. Sure they have some players that are better than some on the other teams but in general you could take every other CAA team except for maybe Drexel and put Good and Ford on them they would pretty much have done the same over the last several years plus or minus a few games. So it really doesn't matter where MD goes to get his players.


I have said this before but you are wrong...Name 1 team in the country that had a better left side of the infield than JMU as far as defense goes???  (they were up there in offense as well)  Heck there was a thread bashing team USA for not having Lilly as a 3rd bc she was best defensive 3rd in country... I am a big Lilly fan but she had more errors than JMU's SS and 3rd combined and she certainly doesn't have the range arm speed etc as either....Field is in the NPF...Newton is the all time RBI hitter in CAA history. 

No doubt pitching is the strength of JMU's...But it is as well at Florida, Oregon, Alabama, Oklahoma etc etc...


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Takes a unique kid to go from the East Coast to P5 on the West Coast. Does not happen often at all.


Just a guess but I think you will see it more in the coming years.  Never really had to happen in the past but hopefully the game is growing.
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Fielding averages are misleading and so are batting averages. The JMU pitching staff averaged over a strike out an inning and had well over a hundred less hits than innings pitched. The defensive pressure was not there. As far as hitting, take Good out of the lineup and they pull back to the pack in Conference average (she hit .450). Good goes and so does Dean.
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Fielding averages are misleading and so are batting averages. The JMU pitching staff averaged over a strike out an inning and had well over a hundred less hits than innings pitched. The defensive pressure was not there. As far as hitting, take Good out of the lineup and they pull back to the pack in Conference average (she hit .450). Good goes and so does Dean.


Ok so go off assist and chances on defensive bc that is pretty close as well.  What did Good hit out of conf??  Some of the JMU hitters hit much better out of conf than they did in..Vast majority of Good's offense came in Conf.  

So clearly JMU played the toughest schedule in the CAA, I think we will all agree on that.

JMU scored 140 more runs, almost 100 more hits, hit 22 more home runs, 2 more triples 13 more doubles, had 5 more stolen bases, hit .044 points...  than the 2nd team in each of those categories..

Yeah Trudat, that's the same... 

How many strikeout did Barnhill, Alevo, Ballint, etc etc avg?

Name me one good team that doesn't have good pitching...
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JMU is not a top program??  maybe historically no, but there isn't but a dozen or so more teams that has done what JMU has done past 4 to 5 years.  They have dominated the power 5 outside of the SEC and have a several nice wins against them as well.  That doesn't transcend into them being a top program or at least on their way?

Dean goes to Boulder, Demarini and PGF nationals to watch players that he already has committed...much less to try and get players.  He has players that has won Boulder, Demarini, PGF nationals ASA gold nationals...So your statement is just way off base..

I was told JMU did have a shot Ballint, maybe it was a long shot but still a shot.  A lot of schools above JMU losses out to Oregon so that's not real shocking.

I know Erica Fields parents real well and have talked recruiting at length with them and never recall them saying she choose JMU over any SEC schools...so??  Not that Field couldn't have played there....she for sure could have but as far as I know never had that option.  



Hmm, if your feelings about JMU are prevalent in the program than things may be worse than I thought because everyone there thinks the program has arrived instead of having to grind to earn what little respect they can to get there.  I would probably feel the same way as you if I had a kid playing ball there, JMU had made great strides over the past 4-5 years and had more success than most college players ever see.

So MD goes to all the big showcases and tourneys to see kid's he's already committed?  Ok, so where did he see those kids in the first place to commit them?  If he waited to see them at PGF or Demarini and then offer he may very well have lost them to other schools.  Wins over P5 and an occasional SEC win?  Sure, VT and UVa wins which are P5 in name only and even Maryland has a win over Florida last year.  OOC games mean little in the context of a full season.

My dd is still in HS so I'll admit there's a ton I don't know about college softball but I'm very much in tune with the HS travel culture in Va and the current perception there is that JMU's best days are behind them.  Sandercock obviously doesn't feel JMU is a top program or she wouldn't have decommitted from a school 2 hours away to go to a school that takes all day to drive to.  The perception surrounding her decommitment will probably do more damage to the program then the actual loss of her talents.

UVa hit rock bottom and are now grinding to dig there way out and just about any parent in Va would rather send there kid there than JMU.  I also heard the new facility talk is more than just talk and they'll start construction on a new facility after next season.  That's why I think JMU could ultimately be better off if MD leaves after Good graduates next year as long as they bring in someone like Riley who will continue to do foundation work instead of believing they are big time and can play the recruiting game the way they do. 

TruDat, agree to disagree earlier but nothing personal.

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Hmm, if your feelings about JMU are prevalent in the program than things may be worse than I thought because everyone there thinks the program has arrived instead of having to grind to earn what little respect they can to get there.  I would probably feel the same way as you if I had a kid playing ball there, JMU had made great strides over the past 4-5 years and had more success than most college players ever see.

So MD goes to all the big showcases and tourneys to see kid's he's already committed?  Ok, so where did he see those kids in the first place to commit them?  If he waited to see them at PGF or Demarini and then offer he may very well have lost them to other schools.  Wins over P5 and an occasional SEC win?  Sure, VT and UVa wins which are P5 in name only and even Maryland has a win over Florida last year.  OOC games mean little in the context of a full season.

My dd is still in HS so I'll admit there's a ton I don't know about college softball but I'm very much in tune with the HS travel culture in Va and the current perception there is that JMU's best days are behind them.  Sandercock obviously doesn't feel JMU is a top program or she wouldn't have decommitted from a school 2 hours away to go to a school that takes all day to drive to.  The perception surrounding her decommitment will probably do more damage to the program then the actual loss of her talents.

UVa hit rock bottom and are now grinding to dig there way out and just about any parent in Va would rather send there kid there than JMU.  I also heard the new facility talk is more than just talk and they'll start construction on a new facility after next season.  That's why I think JMU could ultimately be better off if MD leaves after Good graduates next year as long as they bring in someone like Riley who will continue to do foundation work instead of believing they are big time and can play the recruiting game the way they do. 

TruDat, agree to disagree earlier but nothing personal.



Again over the last 4 or 5 years JMU has done well, I said Historically no they are not...But a 5 year run when most programs are what 20 to 25 years old isn't to bad.

He recruits them at the same places he watches them.  Most the big tourney's, he has done well with pulling some local talent and VA kids in.  

Since when is the VT program so bad?  Don't they make the tourney far more than they don't?  But besides wins against Tech and UVA, they have a handfuls over very good wins as well, Does wins in the NCAA's or a win vs LSU in the Supers mean anything.

Most kids would choose UVA over a lot of schools bc of the education.  But they are not choosing UVA over JMU for softball.  Yes that may change a little with the new coach but JMU facility is far superior.

Sandercock leaving isn't the biggest thing ever.  Did Barnhill and Besta leave GA, How about Hoover SC, or Alvelo not going to Ohio State.  Did Osorio and LittleJohn stay in there home state with power house teams?  Does that mean UGA, USC, OSU, UCLA, TX all fall off bc good players choose to leave the state.  I am sure Dean wants to have all the top players in the state, and he got a little lucky with Ford and Field and even luckier that a girl throws 70 mph that is 10 minutes from campus and didn't play travel ball.  But I am guessing he will be fine with or without all the top VA players. 
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