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KYBandit

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Their more immediate concern should be their '17s, only 2 freshmen on the fall roster.


That is just a clerical or webmaster thing at this point, they have several freshman on campus they just haven't updated the site.
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IMO no way Dean goes anywhere for the time being.  He has a pretty sweet gig going in Harrisonburg plus he is close to home.  Good family situation and good financial situation plus he is the king of the CAA and pulls a lot of weight with NFCA.  No need to go anywhere especially for a few more dollars.  Money does make people do stupid things though but I just dont see it anytime soon.
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Outofzone, you know we tend to disagree quite a bit.  So not disagreeing personally with you bc I have never seen Sandercock pitch.  But EVERYONE I have talked to her about her has a much different opinion of her than you.  I  guess time will tell but either you are a right or a lot of others will be wrong.  No one I have talked to says shes the next coming but no one says she's CAA caliber pitcher on her best day either.  

She had more interest than just FSU, and I heard they offered her a ton of money.

Funny thing is she beat out quite a few really good pitchers to make the Junior National team.  Dean has some pull, and I have no idea but I wonder if he used his influences to help secure her a spot on that team.  She doesn't make that team she's likely signing with the Dukes in about 2 months.


We find some common ground! Your last statement is spot on. 

I have been critical of her only because I have seen her play at every level. I would respectfully disagree with your point she beat out some good pitchers to make the National Team...that tryout was more about who DIDN'T show up. So give her credit for showing up. And I think you're correct in Dean may of had some pull with getting her on that team.

As far as the money, Dean doesn't historically hand out bunch of full rides but, don't you think she would've had a full scholarship to JMU? FSU couldn't offer any more than JMU....location, weather, conference, schedule etc...aside. LOL

But JMU has got bigger issues. If Dean can't keep a local pitching recruit from defecting, not good. Look for him to make a move after this season.


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IMO no way Dean goes anywhere for the time being.  He has a pretty sweet gig going in Harrisonburg plus he is close to home.  Good family situation and good financial situation plus he is the king of the CAA and pulls a lot of weight with NFCA.  No need to go anywhere especially for a few more dollars.  Money does make people do stupid things though but I just dont see it anytime soon.


Do you consider next June "anytime soon"?
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Do you consider next June "anytime soon"?


Where would he go?  Is there a retirement or big opening coming up?  He is only moving for a major job.  Would he go to Virginia Tech if that opened up?  I really don't think so. His ego is huge and what he says goes in CAA.  Not so much should he stroll into the SEC or ACC. Ego might make him jump but I just don't see it.  Been wrong before (often)
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We find some common ground! Your last statement is spot on. 

I have been critical of her only because I have seen her play at every level. I would respectfully disagree with your point she beat out some good pitchers to make the National Team...that tryout was more about who DIDN'T show up. So give her credit for showing up. And I think you're correct in Dean may of had some pull with getting her on that team.

As far as the money, Dean doesn't historically hand out bunch of full rides but, don't you think she would've had a full scholarship to JMU? FSU couldn't offer any more than JMU....location, weather, conference, schedule etc...aside. LOL

But JMU has got bigger issues. If Dean can't keep a local pitching recruit from defecting, not good. Look for him to make a move after this season.




I didn't keep up with the National team but I think you have to be invited to show up.  Was there girls that didn't show up?

I know Meghan Beaubien who is going into her freshman year at Michigan did not make it.  I know Beaubien is really really good.  Like I said I haven't seen Sandercock pitch but I have a hard time believing she is better than Beaubien, but obviously someone with the national teams does not agree.  And I am extremely biased regarding Beaubien. 

As far as money goes you couldn't be more wrong.  Dean historically handed out a lot of full rides, it's how he built that program.  He has gotten away from that more recently with the more success he has had.  I don't know details of every player this year but I am guessing there are quite a few kids getting full rides.

I am told that money is a non factor for Sandercock as the car she drives may be worth more than a year's tuition at FSU even for an out of state kid.  But I also heard FSU did offer her more than JMU.  Knowing Dean a little I doubt he let money be the reason she walked unless he thinks the same of her as you do.  So I am sure he would have matched FSU on any dollar amount.  The weather, facilities etc there isn't much he can do about.
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Well, if he ISN'T going anywhere, why this exodus?
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Some are making Dean out to be this great softball guru. Yeah, he is the big fish in the CAA and has put JMU on the national map because he has had the luxury of upper tier pitching. And he is better than the second rate head coaches in his conference. But that's where it should end
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Well, if he ISN'T going anywhere, why this exodus?


Well just about no coach is saying they are leaving even if they know they are.  So that is not it.

They had a large roster last year, think it may have done more harm than good.  It may be a combination of some wanting to leave and some asked to leave.  

Playing softball in college with little to no money is hard for vast majority of kids.  Playing for MD in that situation may be even a little bit more.  Not saying that as a plus or a negative, just my guess he's a little bit more demanding than other coaches may be. 
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Some are making Dean out to be this great softball guru. Yeah, he is the big fish in the CAA and has put JMU on the national map because he has had the luxury of upper tier pitching. And he is better than the second rate head coaches in his conference. But that's where it should end


How many softball guru's have you meet?  Not saying Dean is one, just don't come by a lot that I would say are.
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Where would he go?  Is there a retirement or big opening coming up?  He is only moving for a major job.  Would he go to Virginia Tech if that opened up?  I really don't think so. His ego is huge and what he says goes in CAA.  Not so much should he stroll into the SEC or ACC. Ego might make him jump but I just don't see it.  Been wrong before (often)


IMO he could go just about anywhere he wants. He's that good. Remember he took a Radford program which was all but invisible and put them on the map. 

Totally agree with you on his ego/confidence level. But no way he wins a National Championship @ JMU. And I'm wrong alot also but enjoy the challenge of being right more times than not.
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IMO he could go just about anywhere he wants. He's that good. Remember he took a Radford program which was all but invisible and put them on the map. 

Totally agree with you on his ego/confidence level. But no way he wins a National Championship @ JMU. And I'm wrong alot also but enjoy the challenge of being right more times than not.


and if you don't believe he is that good..................just ask him  [smile]
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I didn't keep up with the National team but I think you have to be invited to show up.  Was there girls that didn't show up?

I know Meghan Beaubien who is going into her freshman year at Michigan did not make it.  I know Beaubien is really really good.  Like I said I haven't seen Sandercock pitch but I have a hard time believing she is better than Beaubien, but obviously someone with the national teams does not agree.  And I am extremely biased regarding Beaubien. 

As far as money goes you couldn't be more wrong.  Dean historically handed out a lot of full rides, it's how he built that program.  He has gotten away from that more recently with the more success he has had.  I don't know details of every player this year but I am guessing there are quite a few kids getting full rides.

I am told that money is a non factor for Sandercock as the car she drives may be worth more than a year's tuition at FSU even for an out of state kid.  But I also heard FSU did offer her more than JMU.  Knowing Dean a little I doubt he let money be the reason she walked unless he thinks the same of her as you do.  So I am sure he would have matched FSU on any dollar amount.  The weather, facilities etc there isn't much he can do about.


There were a number of kids "selected" or "invited" to tryout. There was also a well advertised open tryout December 2016 in Clearwater I believe. Sandercock initially made their 'training roster', thru the open tryout. Mostly though, the best college freshman & high school pitchers either turned down the invite or chose not to attend the open tryout.

As far as Beaubien, if she didn't make it it was not for lack of talent. Either politics or she told them she wouldn't be available for the summer schedule. Not only is she one of the BEST pitchers in the 2017 class, she's certainly better than half the pitchers on that summer roster. If you just compared the level of ball she's played to what Sandercock's resume reads it's laughable.  That said, National Team coaches saw something they liked in S'cock. Like you said, without the roster spot, she's still going to JMU. 

I'll take your word on the scholarship stuff and Dean. I know parents & kids who played for him @ Radford & currently play for him. There were typically 2 main complaints I hear: lack of scholarship dollars & worse, the taking of dollars in post season exit interviews. (don't shoot the msg)  I am aware though of a current player who was given more money this year, nice to hear.

I spoke with her travel coach on the decommit. He says only that after this summer she realized she wanted to take more visits. Looks more like she's started to believe the hype and thinks she's better than the CAA....FSU apparently thinks so. She will need the redshirt year. 
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Well just about no coach is saying they are leaving even if they know they are.  So that is not it.
huh?
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I spoke with her travel coach on the decommit. He says only that after this summer she realized she wanted to take more visits. Looks more like she's started to believe the hype and thinks she's better than the CAA....FSU apparently thinks so. She will need the redshirt year. 


So I guess it's official, as a casual JMU fan I'm disappointed but not surprised.  This move was not likely initiated by her travel coach but by her pitching instructor who worked with Waldrop.  

It does make it seem more likely that MD is gone after this season.  I don't think he'll jump at the AU opening since that would be far riskier than sticking with Good and whoever else he can keep from transferring for another year but I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn up at someplace like Clemson.  I don't think JMU is long for the CAA for that matter as their football program has FBS ambitions.  

If he does leave maybe JMU could pry Riley from Longwood, she would certainly keep the program competitive.
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I spoke with her travel coach on the decommit. He says only that after this summer she realized she wanted to take more visits. Looks more like she's started to believe the hype and thinks she's better than the CAA....FSU apparently thinks so. She will need the redshirt year. 

https://twitter.com/k_sandercock?lang=en


Coach Alameda does a lot of freshman RS-ing, but, barring another stud transfer to go with Meghan for her RS senior year, I think it will be King-Cassidy-Sandercock.

Boy, give Coacha a ton of credit for hustling and squeezing out the Hanson transfer and this switch in the past couple of months

 

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So I guess it's official, as a casual JMU fan I'm disappointed but not surprised.  This move was not likely initiated by her travel coach but by her pitching instructor who worked with Waldrop.  

It does make it seem more likely that MD is gone after this season.  I don't think he'll jump at the AU opening since that would be far riskier than sticking with Good and whoever else he can keep from transferring for another year but I wouldn't be surprised to see him turn up at someplace like Clemson.  I don't think JMU is long for the CAA for that matter as their football program has FBS ambitions.  
If he does leave maybe JMU could pry Riley from Longwood, she would certainly keep the program competitive.


I don't think her travel coach would "do that" to Mickey Dean. He's got too much invested in that relationship. 

Who is her pitching instructor? Rita Lynn Gilman?

Clemson would be an interesting spot for him but think they really like the guys from Upstate along with a few others. Aren't they supposed to make a decision late this winter? There's always talk about Dean to Va Tech, thinking is Thomas has worn out his 15 minutes from the Tincher beating the Olympic team deal. Other than that, Thomas runs an average program at best, which is criminal considering the facilities, school, etc...

Riley to JMU?  Possible I guess. Longwood is not fully funded & JMU facilities, while not SEC or ACC calibre are better than Longwood. Dean & Riley used to work together also. Riley is one of the best coaches in the country bar none. JMU could do a whole lot worse.
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Yeah, she's one of Rita's students.  I've always been kinda skeptical of her as a PI but she's had several successful students.  In addition to Waldrop her website also claims Ford and Good as students.  

I don't know if Riley would want the JMU job if MD left or if JMU would want her for that matter but nobody recruits Va harder than her and she could get a lot of kids to go to Harrisonburg much easier than she can convince them to go to Farmville.  MD gets a lot of kids from Va who don't take much if any money because they really want to go to JMU.  JMU isn't like UVa or W&M academically but it's a very respectable state school that gets a ton of in-state applications and it's in a location that's accessible to most residents.  

I could see MD at Va Tech but only if they actually do fire Thomas next year and nothing else better opens up.  ACC is certainly better than CAA competitively but probably not better enough to lure a coach who has national championship ambitions.  
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Yeah, she's one of Rita's students.  I've always been kinda skeptical of her as a PI but she's had several successful students.  In addition to Waldrop her website also claims Ford and Good as students.  

I don't know if Riley would want the JMU job if MD left or if JMU would want her for that matter but nobody recruits Va harder than her and she could get a lot of kids to go to Harrisonburg much easier than she can convince them to go to Farmville.  MD gets a lot of kids from Va who don't take much if any money because they really want to go to JMU.  JMU isn't like UVa or W&M academically but it's a very respectable state school that gets a ton of in-state applications and it's in a location that's accessible to most residents.  

I could see MD at Va Tech but only if they actually do fire Thomas next year and nothing else better opens up.  ACC is certainly better than CAA competitively but probably not better enough to lure a coach who has national championship ambitions.  


Being skeptical of Rita Lynn?  Her "Speed Club" is the biggest laughing stock of the East Coast. She may have worked with some decent pitchers back in the day but, certainly doesn't work with her area's best pitchers, at least not in the last 5 years. 
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Outofzone, you know we tend to disagree quite a bit.  So not disagreeing personally with you bc I have never seen Sandercock pitch.  But EVERYONE I have talked to her about her has a much different opinion of her than you.  I  guess time will tell but either you are a right or a lot of others will be wrong.  No one I have talked to says shes the next coming but no one says she's CAA caliber pitcher on her best day either.  

She had more interest than just FSU, and I heard they offered her a ton of money.

Funny thing is she beat out quite a few really good pitchers to make the Junior National team.  Dean has some pull, and I have no idea but I wonder if he used his influences to help secure her a spot on that team.  She doesn't make that team she's likely signing with the Dukes in about 2 months.


Having seen her a few years ago and having just seen Alexander this summer (warming up to pitch at a 18u travel tourney no less) I would say she's about as good as Alexander, maybe slightly better or maybe not quite as good but very close.  Both good CAA pitchers with similar mechanics but not anywhere close to the Ford/Good level and unlikely to be top pitchers for top 10 college teams.


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Yeah, she's one of Rita's students.  I've always been kinda skeptical of her as a PI but she's had several successful students.  In addition to Waldrop her website also claims Ford and Good as students.  

I don't know if Riley would want the JMU job if MD left or if JMU would want her for that matter but nobody recruits Va harder than her and she could get a lot of kids to go to Harrisonburg much easier than she can convince them to go to Farmville.  MD gets a lot of kids from Va who don't take much if any money because they really want to go to JMU.  JMU isn't like UVa or W&M academically but it's a very respectable state school that gets a ton of in-state applications and it's in a location that's accessible to most residents.  

I could see MD at Va Tech but only if they actually do fire Thomas next year and nothing else better opens up.  ACC is certainly better than CAA competitively but probably not better enough to lure a coach who has national championship ambitions.  



Kind of off topic, but wouldn't VaTech just promote Tincher if they got rid of Thomas? That's how I see it shaking out.

Mickey Dean will have his pick of any open position when he wants to leave. His decision to leave JMU will be dictated more by that than anything now that Good is a senior.
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Kind of off topic, but wouldn't VaTech just promote Tincher if they got rid of Thomas? That's how I see it shaking out.

Mickey Dean will have his pick of any open position when he wants to leave. His decision to leave JMU will be dictated more by that than anything now that Good is a senior.


I don't know but I don't think Angela would really want the HC job there.  She's got a kid now and probably realizes it's a much different schedule and skill set to be a HC than a PC.  According to her dad she's grown increasingly frustrated with the complacency that's taken hold in Blacksburg.
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So Tincher's father is basically knocking the head coach of the team his daughter is coaching at? After all the complacency would be his fault.
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I don't know but I don't think Angela would really want the HC job there.  She's got a kid now and probably realizes it's a much different schedule and skill set to be a HC than a PC.  According to her dad she's grown increasingly frustrated with the complacency that's taken hold in Blacksburg.


Complacent is being nice. Tincher is one of the best to ever pitch but that hasn't translated down to her coaching. I've always wondered if she has to coach whatever kid Thomas recruits or, does she have some say so in the pitching recruits. Tech does have 2 fairly competent freshman pitchers this year. Both out of Va. & both better than whats currently on the roster. Time will tell if they are ACC capable. 

In looking at Tech's Fall schedule, not sure they are doing much to prepare for Spring. They play 3 Intraquads, Roanoke-D3, Milligan-NAIA, Richard Bland-glorified rec team, Va Wesleyan-D3 National Champion. I'm sure Tech fans would like to see Thomas schedule more competitive teams such as Longwood, JMU, UVA in the Fall. At least give the appearance they are trying to improve. Shoot, Duke's startup program is at least playing NC State this Fall. 

With a new AD, they have already let go couple head coaches, not sure how Thomas survives not making the ACC tourney again, when UVA did under first year coach Hardin in 2017. 
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So Tincher's father is basically knocking the head coach of the team his daughter is coaching at? After all the complacency would be his fault.


How would it be the fault of the parent of a former player/current AC for the program's complacency?  Even if it was, its not like they can fire him.
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How would it be the fault of the parent of a former player/current AC for the program's complacency?  Even if it was, its not like they can fire him.


I thought the same thing initially but must be referencing Scott Thomas.
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If you read my post again I say that the father is "knocking" the coach.
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If you read my post again I say that the father is "knocking" the coach.


Yes, got that. Maybe you should read your own post again since it was only two sentences.  So how is it his (Tincher's) fault for the complacency? 
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Whatever. The point I was making was how can a guy (Tincher) criticize his daughter's boss (Thomas)?
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No you didn't say how can he criticize his daughter's boss you said it was his fault.  Who said he was criticizing his daughter's boss in the first place, what I posted was that his daughter expressed to him that she was frustrated with the "complacency" in the program. How could either of them not be frustrated, last place in a weak ACC last year.  Whatever. 
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