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KYBandit

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Here you go, trying to be good but you just wont stop..

Ok, the player in question had 12 errors...looks like 5 in Conf and 5 out of conf and 2 in post season.  By all accounts Oregon's out of conf schedule was down as well...

She had 2 against Idaho State 1 against Portland and 1 against Hawaii....Are they some power house teams??..and by the way JMU's 3rd had 5 all year...SS had 6...So what's the difference...heck it's not even like her BA is night and day in conf vs out..again Oregon's out of conference schedule was no different maybe worst than JMU...Yes Conf was a million percent better...No glasses needed here!! 

She did have more assist and chances and a far lower %...Let me guess Oregon didn't have great pitching?? I know bc it's the PAC 12..and they played 61 tough games...or maybe 25 tough some avg and quite a few bad..(that's a guess, didn't look it up)

I know it hurts but JMU's left side and entire team could play with anyone...No matter the conf...Didn't say better said could play...they proved it....I know not in a 3 game series..

I am aware the Oregon is the far better program, like it doesn't hurt my feelings...Doesn't change the fact that White and Dean or 1 and 1 vs each other..

Again big fan of the kid...but we can argue on messages boards all day and you can make excuses or you can look at the numbers and the facts.

 

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You have more range, you make more errors. One of the oldest diamond precepts.

And, you just don't watch the games.

Can't argue with that.

 

KYBandit

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Ok...so errors were bc great schedule...beat that down...now its bc of range..and you watch games so much better than some so you know who has best range...I guess it's worthless to mention both have considerably more steals than her...bc then that will go back to your schedule argument..yes i know base stealing doesn't necessarily mean someone has more range but it gives you a pretty good idea.

Both have more range better arm strength and are better defenders...your only argument is 1 plays for Oregon and the others dont..but keep trying..
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Ok...so errors were bc great schedule...beat that down...now its bc of range..and you watch games so much better than some so you know who has best range...I guess it's worthless to mention both have considerably more steals than her...bc then that will go back to your schedule argument..yes i know base stealing doesn't necessarily mean someone has more range but it gives you a pretty good idea. Both have more range better arm strength and are better defenders...your only argument is 1 plays for Oregon and the others dont..but keep trying..
They very well may be better base stealers.... however that relates to Lilley's aptitude at the hot corner.
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I understand that KYBandit had a horse in the JMU race so his staunch defense of the coach and team is both understandable and commendable.  That being said........JMU for the past 5 years has been a good team, with a good coach, with great pitching, in an awful conference. ( Heck until this past year they had the WORST outfield in the league which is scary. )  Hardly enough to be considered for a "top program".  Did beat some good teams but in this sport good pitching hides other sins. 
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I understand that KYBandit had a horse in the JMU race so his staunch defense of the coach and team is both understandable and commendable.  That being said........JMU for the past 5 years has been a good team, with a good coach, with great pitching, in an awful conference. ( Heck until this past year they had the WORST outfield in the league which is scary. )  Hardly enough to be considered for a "top program".  Did beat some good teams but in this sport good pitching hides other sins. 


Not trying to defend the CAA...bc obviously it's not the greatest conference in the world... but most years with the rpi it was coming in right outside the P5...around 7 maybe 8 in rpi conf...i know rpi only matters for Sec and Pac 12...so yes bad conference but awful might be hard...the CAA did go a couple years at getting 2 bids..

And as bad of outfield as you think we had...we still were able to lead the country in defense efficiency in 2016...i am sure bc its JMU that was bc of pitching as well and bad conf...but when that stat came out in 2016 i remember it saying 7 out of the 8 top defence efficiency teams in 2015 made OKC... but a lot of teams make it to OKC with bad pitching right!
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I understand that KYBandit had a horse in the JMU race so his staunch defense of the coach and team is both understandable and commendable.  That being said........JMU for the past 5 years has been a good team, with a good coach, with great pitching, in an awful conference. ( Heck until this past year they had the WORST outfield in the league which is scary. )  Hardly enough to be considered for a "top program".  Did beat some good teams but in this sport good pitching hides other sins. 


Especially if that pitcher is getting 1-2 strikeouts per inning. less chance for errors. JS
KYBandit

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Especially if that pitcher is getting 1-2 strikeouts per inning. less chance for errors. JS


Totally right..

2017

Florida 683 k's
Oregon 411 k's
JMU 375 k's

Just saying

Good pitching helps!
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I have said this before but you are wrong...Name 1 team in the country that had a better left side of the infield than JMU as far as defense goes???  (they were up there in offense as well)  Heck there was a thread bashing team USA for not having Lilly as a 3rd bc she was best defensive 3rd in country... I am a big Lilly fan but she had more errors than JMU's SS and 3rd combined and she certainly doesn't have the range arm speed etc as either....



https://twitter.com/BostonBruinsTID/status/883513555131047936

And, it's Lilley

KYBandit

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https://twitter.com/BostonBruinsTID/status/883513555131047936

And, it's Lilley



Awesome...love it..

Great play...but you think shes the only 1 that has made that type play...you said you watch softball.. i have seen plays very similar many times..from many different levels and players..heck seen Lilly make many other plays maybe better than that..



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Awesome...love it.. Great play...but you think shes the only 1 that has made that type play...you said you watch softball.. i have seen plays very similar many times..from many different levels and players..heck seen Lilly make many other plays maybe better than that..
Go ahead, put up the JMU kids. No, that play is not made 'many' times by many other players. I don't know what would be worse, you being that ignorant, or that disingenuous
KYBandit

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Go ahead, put up the JMU kids. No, that play is not made 'many' times by many other players. I don't know what would be worse, you being that ignorant, or that disingenuous


3 glasses

Why are you feelings hurt so bad...great play..it was an awesome play. I said so..so how is that disingenuous?

But you think shes the only player that dove this season and threw a speed runner out?..i thought you watched games...all you watch them with glasses..

GREAT PLAY...but what does that 1 play prove...sorry..i have seen very simular and better...i have seen as good or better by her...check out Oregon's Twitter ..they had several top plays from her...i saw them...doesnt change facts..

3leftturns

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OK.... show us the videos of the JMU kids with 'better range'.
KYBandit

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OK.... show us the videos of the JMU kids with 'better range'.


Ugh...now i have to teach you stuff about the game. Although she showed great range on her DIVE...and that was a great play...that would be considered a dive play not a RANGE play...did she take more than a half step before her dive? She dove and caught the ball, and it was reallt cool..

This is for sure where you may have an advantage since you have been getting killed in this... i am sure theres video of every play that Oregon makes...JMU would be lucky to have 20 to 30% on film...or at least accessible to you and I...but if you wont give this up by next week i am sure i can match some very like type plays to that play...or you can watch some of the series where jmu had video like last 2 ncaa's...

Speaking of that...makes me remember how good Baylor 3rd baseman was....would be right up there with both on defense...and Baylor CF was the baddest outfielder i have ever seen live...

If you quit looking through glasses you get to watch a great game!
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Ugh...now i have to teach you stuff about the game. Although she showed great range on her DIVE...and that was a great play...that would be considered a dive play not a RANGE play...did she take more than a half step before her dive? She dove and caught the ball, and it was reallt cool.. This is for sure where you may have an advantage since you have been getting killed in this... i am sure theres video of every play that Oregon makes...JMU would be lucky to have 20 to 30% on film...or at least accessible to you and I...but if you wont give this up by next week i am sure i can match some very like type plays to that play.

First, for 3B, THAT is range. Now, maybe against Delaware, Hofstra and Elon, you don't have to play at 45 feet, but against the elite slappers, you do.
Range at 3B is nowhere like what range means at SS or 2B.

Second, no, you will not find plays by JMU commensurate with that one in a week, two or 10

It was so simple to say.... "I opened my yap, and was proven wrong. Mea culpa."

But I will wait for your proof.

KYBandit

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First, for 3B, THAT is range. Now, maybe against Delaware, Hofstra and Elon, you don't have to play at 45 feet, but against the elite slappers, you do.
Range at 3B is nowhere like what range means at SS or 2B.

Second, no, you will not find plays by JMU commensurate with that one in a week, two or 10

It was so simple to say.... "I opened my yap, and was proven wrong. Mea culpa."

But I will wait for your proof.



That was a dive...a very good dive...but a dive...that was way more great instincts then range..just bc you post 500 times a day doesnt make you right..it makes you annoying..

Where is the video from the Idaho state, portland state and Hawaii...are those even D 1 schools...

I am out of town on phone will be sure to post some next week...

Maybe i will post some of the games they played together back in the day to help your glasses...
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Again over the last 4 or 5 years JMU has done well, I said Historically no they are not...But a 5 year run when most programs are what 20 to 25 years old isn't to bad. Ok

He recruits them at the same places he watches them.  Most the big tourney's, he has done well with pulling some local talent and VA kids in.  In your original post you said he goes to the big tourneys to see kids he's already committed so it presumably means he sees them somewhere else first, commits them, then sees them at the big tourneys.  I guess he sees them multiple times at big tourneys and ultimately commits them there.  That's fine as long as the team keeps making runs to the SR or better and those players continue to choose JMU over other schools. 

Since when is the VT program so bad?  Don't they make the tourney far more than they don't?  But besides wins against Tech and UVA, they have a handfuls over very good wins as well, Does wins in the NCAA's or a win vs LSU in the Supers mean anything.  VT was not always as bad as they were last year but they have been a mediocre ACC team for awhile which isn't much better given the ACC's overall mediocrity.  The SR region win over LSU was certainly significant but they needed one more to get to the WCWS.  Their regional wins that year were over Princeton, UNC and Longwood.  ULL a few years ago beat Texas twice in the regionals and Az twice at SR to make it to the WS.  That means a lot more as far as mid-major accomplishment goes.   

Most kids would choose UVA over a lot of schools bc of the education.  But they are not choosing UVA over JMU for softball.  Yes that may change a little with the new coach but JMU facility is far superior.  Again, the JMU facilities advantage will be short lived as UVa will pour $10 million into their facilities and it will be completed by the start of the 2019 season.  UVa already wins for education and location and at the moment they are working JMU's recruiting turf a lot harder than they are so a future of players choosing JMU over UVa for softball is far from assured.  The only advantage JMU will still have is their admissions requirements aren't as difficult.

Sandercock leaving isn't the biggest thing ever.  Did Barnhill and Besta leave GA, How about Hoover SC, or Alvelo not going to Ohio State.  Did Osorio and LittleJohn stay in there home state with power house teams?  Does that mean UGA, USC, OSU, UCLA, TX all fall off bc good players choose to leave the state.  I am sure Dean wants to have all the top players in the state, and he got a little lucky with Ford and Field and even luckier that a girl throws 70 mph that is 10 minutes from campus and didn't play travel ball.  But I am guessing he will be fine with or without all the top VA players.  Huh?  Of course those schools are hurt from the departure of in-state talent.  Don't you think UGA, USC and TX could do a lot better if they could retain a significant chunk of their top in-state talent?


I've been meaning to get back to this but you and lefty were having so much fun that I didn't want to jump in.
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I've been meaning to get back to this but you and lefty were having so much fun that I didn't want to jump in.


As far as Dean goes, sorry if I wasn't clear..He goes those type of tourney's to recruit and to watch his committed players.  It's my experience that most coaches the way recruiting is now see's a commit many more times after they commit to a school and coach than they do before they commit. 

ULL has an awesome program and JMU is not on their level yet but I would think they are getting close, yes they need to sustain it for longer but nothing tells me they won't.  JMU can only play who the NCAA set's them up with.  TX hasn't been great in a while and Arizona isn't the Arizona off old either, why they are still one of the elite teams, they are not what they were.

If UVA pours in 10 million into the softball program their facilitates will be on par with JMU's but I doubt with 10 Million they will be far better.  I think I have read that JMU poured in over 20 million on both the softball and baseball facilitates and that was like 7 or 8 years ago.  Heck JMU spent a million 2 years ago to redo the softball field.  

Yes UVA will win on education but it's not like going to JMU is not a good school.  So softball/playing time the offer etc may win over that.  As you pointed out not everyone is a top end student.  There are a lot of very good softball players that are good students that may not fit in at UVA.  Remember almost all the top tier players commit to a school their freshman or sophomore years.  The very elite maybe even in the 8th grade.  So unless some studs commit to a drawing of the new UVA facilitates they are looking at the 2022/23 before they may start to see the benefits of the new place.  

End of the day it would benefit everyone if the UVA got it going.  I like their new coaches and think they will do well, but time will tell.


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Let's talk about the league.  Specifically, is there any new pitching talent arriving this Fall that is likely to make a difference.  Is there anyone new likely to challenge (whoever, I can't say) for the accolade of the league's second best pitcher (behind Good)?
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Towson's pitching addition.
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Hofstra's pitching addition looks pretty good on paper, but I'll wait until I see her pitch a collegiate game to make any real judgements on her. Most CAA recruits aren't featured on FloSoftball, that definitely says something about her abilities.
http://www.flosoftball.com/article/33946-recruit-spotlight-sophie-dandola-1-28#.WblxK0EpCEc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmUKnP3HaPA

Towson's pitching addition.


One thing's for sure...she won't get that 2-ball, wide-ass strike zone in college.
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Hofstra fall schedule: http://www.gohofstra.com/news/2017/9/14/softball-sb-hofstra-announces-fall-schedule-alumnae-day.aspx
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Mickey Dean is headed to Auburn. Interesting to see how this affects JMU this season...

http://just-in-justinsworld.blogspot.com/2017/09/exclusive-mickey-dean-to-be-named-head.html?m=1

http://jmusports.com/news/2017/9/14/laporte-elevated-to-head-coach-of-jmu-softball-as-dean-departs.aspx
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outofzone

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Only that he's leaving now. Guess they told him if he doesn't take job now it won't be available later. 
TruDat

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Wow. The CAA will be drifting even further down now.
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Shocked, not shocked?


Not at all, Mickey Dean had no connection to JMU other than the fact that he was the softball coach. It would've been hard to keep him there without paying him more than the school could afford. JMU was lucky to have had him for as long as they did. Any new coach they hire is immediately set up for success in year 1 with Megan Good returning and the other returners, so the timing actually makes sense there.
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Shocked, not shocked?                 

Shocked at what they are paying him maybe.    Not many coaches get to triple their salary so he would have been stupid not to go.  Can always retire to the low key
CAA after making bank in Auburn.  War Eagle to War Chest!
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Not at all, Mickey Dean had no connection to JMU other than the fact that he was the softball coach. It would've been hard to keep him there without paying him more than the school could afford. JMU was lucky to have had him for as long as they did. Any new coach they hire is immediately set up for success in year 1 with Megan Good returning and the other returners, so the timing actually makes sense there.


Actually he's got family conncections to H'burg. Looks like his decision was professional & financial. Just a matter of time.
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