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NCexile

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Over/under on how many runs JMU pitching surrenders to league teams during the regular season?
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I had the chance to see JMU play two games this weekend. I stand behind my contention that they are no different than Hofstra, Delaware, Towson etc. Megan G. is a good pitcher and separates them from the pack. She is however not enough to get them beyond a Super Regional. She has A+ velocity, B control and C+ ball movement and a low level change of pace. She is no Angela Tincher. The freshman Alexander is a fairly hard thrower but not a pitcher. She will not beat a top team in an important game.
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@TruDat I was at MD on saturday to watch the JMU/Buffalo game, would have been nice to say hello... I thought Alexander did okay, but I agree that she is not at a level close to Good at this point... I think the big separator that JMU has is their defense... their offense looked very vulnerable against buffalo... although with Megan in the circle I feel they have what it takes to go pretty far... all they need is 1 run as proven against some very good teams... 

fact is they hey keep winning games, I can't argue that... at this point I know we have lots to work on before conference starts next weekend... the weather closures have killed us...

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I had the chance to see JMU play two games this weekend. I stand behind my contention that they are no different than Hofstra, Delaware, Towson etc. Megan G. is a good pitcher and separates them from the pack. She is however not enough to get them beyond a Super Regional. She has A+ velocity, B control and C+ ball movement and a low level change of pace. She is no Angela Tincher. The freshman Alexander is a fairly hard thrower but not a pitcher. She will not beat a top team in an important game.


If a 145/16 strikeout to walk ratio in 104 innings pitched is B control, that I don't think it would be fair to see her with A control.

And maybe they don't make it past the Super Regional, but only 8 teams do. If you make it to the Super Regional you are probably good enough to make it too the WCWS. In a three-game series like that, it is so dependent on matchup and who gets that little bit of luck.
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She's a strikeout pitcher and verry very good. In my mind B control is pretty darn good. Other than the Auburn game early on a lot of these strikeouts were against mid major teams who don't see many pitchers of her caliber. I saw her have no command of the few change ups she threw and the Maryland batter who was hit in the head might agree with me. Make no mistake she in the top tier but I think she has some holes
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CAA rpi- Drexel 253, UNCW 148, Townsend 132, Elon 127, Charleston 114, Delaware 110, Hofstra 96 & JMU 12
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I had the chance to see JMU play two games this weekend. I stand behind my contention that they are no different than Hofstra, Delaware, Towson etc. Megan G. is a good pitcher and separates them from the pack. She is however not enough to get them beyond a Super Regional. She has A+ velocity, B control and C+ ball movement and a low level change of pace. She is no Angela Tincher. The freshman Alexander is a fairly hard thrower but not a pitcher. She will not beat a top team in an important game.


JMU without Megan is still the best team in the CAA Name any team with two pitchers better than Alexander & McCabe.  Alexander not a pitcher?  Would be #1 for every team in the league with possible exception of Hofstra. Good enough to beat any team not in the top 20. As for Good I challenge you to name 10 pitchers in America demonstrably better.
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NCexile, you misinterpreted my take on Good. There aren't 10 pitchers demonstrably better than her. When Angela Tincher took Va Tech to new heights, she was a better "pitcher" than Good. This is an opinion forum and I have seen Hofstra, Delaware, Towson, Elon etc. play and JMU is no better, for the most part, than those teams. When you have a head and heals better pitcher, you look like you are better for the obvious reason. That differential goes away out of the CAA. Alexander is not a pitcher at this point. Can she throw good pitches that are pretty hard? Sure. JMU will win the CAA without much trouble because of who's in the circle.
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TruDat, What do you think JMU's conference record will be when MG doesn't pitch? I am going to say they will be undefeated when she doesn't pitch. Based on what you wrote you probably think they will be around .500 without her, correct?
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Justadad no, I think it will be better than that. Alexander is better than most of her opposing pitchers. Their losses, if any, will come when MG doesn't pitch.
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JMU without Megan is still the best team in the CAA Name any team with two pitchers better than Alexander & McCabe.  Alexander not a pitcher?  Would be #1 for every team in the league with possible exception of Hofstra. Good enough to beat any team not in the top 20. As for Good I challenge you to name 10 pitchers in America demonstrably better.


I think you do have slot Alexander in as the 2nd best pitcher in the CAA right now due to her ability to make batters swing and miss.

Other than Good or Mitchum (Elon) no one other than her has shown the ability to strike a batter out per inning this year.

justadad, I don't think that JMU is going to run the table. Last year's team was better and they couldn't pull it off. I say they lose somewhere between 3 and 5 conference games. 
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Hofstra had a nice 3-2 win over Fordham, they rallied back from being down 2-0. Fordham is 35 in the rpi and has received votes in some polls this year. Next up, JMU in the home opener at Bill Edwards Stadium this weekend.
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NCexile, you misinterpreted my take on Good. There aren't 10 pitchers demonstrably better than her. When Angela Tincher took Va Tech to new heights, she was a better "pitcher" than Good. This is an opinion forum and I have seen Hofstra, Delaware, Towson, Elon etc. play and JMU is no better, for the most part, than those teams. When you have a head and heals better pitcher, you look like you are better for the obvious reason. That differential goes away out of the CAA. Alexander is not a pitcher at this point. Can she throw good pitches that are pretty hard? Sure. JMU will win the CAA without much trouble because of who's in the circle.


Agree on all points above. Without Good, JMU probably still wins CAA. Then 1 & done in NCAA. They still haven't proven they can generate enough runs to support Alexander/McCabe reliably. Alexander is a good hitter who happens to pitch. She's still a thrower & very raw. Until she starts to move the ball better, she will continue to throw batting practice. She will get away with throwing a flat 64 in the CAA because no single lineup will challenge her 1-9. Her issues aren't physical. She's got all the tools. Providing she can keep her head right for 2 years, Dean will make sure she is ready to carry the load when Good leaves. McCabe is still unproven, although a Junior. Currently, she is adequate at best when Good not pitching & Alexander struggling. 

When NCAA games start, it would be suicidal to NOT throw Good. Unless they draw a cupcake, I wouldn't think you'd see anybody but Good. If Alexander/McCabe could buy couple innings sporadically in post season, JMU has great chance to advance.
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NCexile, you misinterpreted my take on Good. There aren't 10 pitchers demonstrably better than her. When Angela Tincher took Va Tech to new heights, she was a better "pitcher" than Good. This is an opinion forum and I have seen Hofstra, Delaware, Towson, Elon etc. play and JMU is no better, for the most part, than those teams. When you have a head and heals better pitcher, you look like you are better for the obvious reason. That differential goes away out of the CAA. Alexander is not a pitcher at this point. Can she throw good pitches that are pretty hard? Sure. JMU will win the CAA without much trouble because of who's in the circle.


Just jumping in to do nothing but praise Tincher.

There are very VERY few pitchers I've ever seen who are on Tincher's level.  She was a rare bread and a steal of a find for VT.  I'd love to find her 4 more years of eligibility just to watch her pitch again in college.
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Ye Jayrot she was special. I'd love to see some of the filter down to her recruiting. Tech has struggled on that front and doesn't look like that will change anytime soon.
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This is a strange thread, particularly in regards to Alexander. She's at worst an above average division 1 pitcher.  I suspect she would be the #1 for at least half the division 1 teams in America.  As far as that goes McCabe would be #2 for at least half.  Folks, there's no Angela Tincher out there anywhere.  Hasn't been for while.
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Saw all three Elon P's yesterday versus ECU.  Surrendered 9 runs, 13 hits and 7 BB. It's the same ECU team that McCabe (JMU #3) no-hit.  None of them would ever see the field in Harrisonburg. 
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Just jumping in to do nothing but praise Tincher.

There are very VERY few pitchers I've ever seen who are on Tincher's level.  She was a rare bread and a steal of a find for VT.  I'd love to find her 4 more years of eligibility just to watch her pitch again in college.


I will probably take a beating for this but since people keep bringing up Tincher...(note: I never saw her pitch but am obviously aware of her accolades)

But looking at the numbers the biggest difference between Good and Tincher is Tincher pitched more and Lost way more...other than that Good's numbers are as close to if not better than Tincher's.  Wasn't Tincher still pitching at 40" also?

Yes she pitched in ACC vs CAA but JMU has all but dominated the vast majority of it's many games vs the ACC.  As they have every other conference outside of the SEC.  

Tincher got her team to the WCWS, Good still has 2 more cracks at it.
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Agree on all points above. Without Good, JMU probably still wins CAA. Then 1 & done in NCAA. They still haven't proven they can generate enough runs to support Alexander/McCabe reliably. Alexander is a good hitter who happens to pitch. She's still a thrower & very raw. Until she starts to move the ball better, she will continue to throw batting practice. She will get away with throwing a flat 64 in the CAA because no single lineup will challenge her 1-9. Her issues aren't physical. She's got all the tools. Providing she can keep her head right for 2 years, Dean will make sure she is ready to carry the load when Good leaves. McCabe is still unproven, although a Junior. Currently, she is adequate at best when Good not pitching & Alexander struggling. 

When NCAA games start, it would be suicidal to NOT throw Good. Unless they draw a cupcake, I wouldn't think you'd see anybody but Good. If Alexander/McCabe could buy couple innings sporadically in post season, JMU has great chance to advance.


Did Ci Ci beat up your kid or something...How many times are you going to say she throws a flat 64 no movement etc...she's averaging almost a strikeout an inning(49.2 innings 48k)...Yes she's raw needs work etc...but so does about 97% of the pitchers in the country.

Bad news for the CAA is Dean won't need to relay on Alexander when Good is gone, he has 2 or 3 pitchers that may be as good or better coming in.

And yes in the post season, I think everyone expects Good to pitch just about every important inning.
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I had the chance to see JMU play two games this weekend. I stand behind my contention that they are no different than Hofstra, Delaware, Towson etc. Megan G. is a good pitcher and separates them from the pack. She is however not enough to get them beyond a Super Regional. She has A+ velocity, B control and C+ ball movement and a low level change of pace. She is no Angela Tincher. The freshman Alexander is a fairly hard thrower but not a pitcher. She will not beat a top team in an important game.


Such a lazy comment, Yes Good is the difference maker but JMU does and has for years lead the CAA in almost every important category.  JMU may have the best defensive left side of the infield in the country much less the CAA, they have a combined 2 errors in 27 games...they have played every inning up to this point, and they make all the plays...show me 1 left side of the infield that has numbers like that?

Put Florida's pitching staff on Drexel's team and they are really really good.  Put Drexel pitching staff on Florida's team and they are Drexel...JMU and Dean should not have to apologize for having good pitching.

You want to become a better coach at any level, recruit a better pitcher.

If you think Good is only a "good" pitcher you will need to change your handle to Falsedat...She's really special.

I don't think JMU is real worried about Alexander having to pitch in an important game, they just aren't.
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I will probably take a beating for this but since people keep bringing up Tincher...(note: I never saw her pitch but am obviously aware of her accolades)

But looking at the numbers the biggest difference between Good and Tincher is Tincher pitched more and Lost way more...other than that Good's numbers are as close to if not better than Tincher's.  Wasn't Tincher still pitching at 40" also?

Yes she pitched in ACC vs CAA but JMU has all but dominated the vast majority of it's many games vs the ACC.  As they have every other conference outside of the SEC.  

Tincher got her team to the WCWS, Good still has 2 more cracks at it.


I'm a huge M Good fan but she's not in the same class as AT.  I saw Angela pitch from HS on.  At her best (no hitting the Team USA in 2008) she was likely one of the best 5 pitchers ever on the planet.  And no, she threw from 43' in college. And, to your point below, Mickey's JMU teams are demonstrably better than the teams AT played on at VT.  

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Such a lazy comment, Yes Good is the difference maker but JMU does and has for years lead the CAA in almost every important category.  JMU may have the best defensive left side of the infield in the country much less the CAA, they have a combined 2 errors in 27 games...they have played every inning up to this point, and they make all the plays...show me 1 left side of the infield that has numbers like that?

Put Florida's pitching staff on Drexel's team and they are really really good.  Put Drexel pitching staff on Florida's team and they are Drexel...JMU and Dean should not have to apologize for having good pitching.

You want to become a better coach at any level, recruit a better pitcher.

If you think Good is only a "good" pitcher you will need to change your handle to Falsedat...She's really special.

I don't think JMU is real worried about Alexander having to pitch in an important game, they just aren't.


And if you think that, then you should change your handle to KYjelly.
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And if you think that, then you should change your handle to KYjelly.


Really so how many games does Florida win with Drexel pitching staff?
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I'm a huge M Good fan but she's not in the same class as AT.  I saw Angela pitch from HS on.  At her best (no hitting the Team USA in 2008) she was likely one of the best 5 pitchers ever on the planet.  And no, she threw from 43' in college. And, to your point below, Mickey's JMU teams are demonstrably better than the teams AT played on at VT.  



I can respect that as I said I never saw her pitch.

But that can't be that the JMU teams are better than the VT teams Tincher played on.  Trudat keeps telling everyone JMU is no different from any other CAA team!!
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Really so how many games does Florida win with Drexel pitching staff?


I don't know, but they wouldn't be Drexel.  Better offense and defense.   Not a top 25 team, but would probably still win the Colonial.
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KYBandit, you make up stuff. First off, MG is a "good" pitcher, one of the top 5. Not knowing that 40 feet hasn't been the pitching distance in a long time somewhat makes me question your credibility. She is special, but not special enough to take that team to the big show. That is my opinion based on what I saw.
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I will probably take a beating for this but since people keep bringing up Tincher...(note: I never saw her pitch but am obviously aware of her accolades)

But looking at the numbers the biggest difference between Good and Tincher is Tincher pitched more and Lost way more...other than that Good's numbers are as close to if not better than Tincher's.  Wasn't Tincher still pitching at 40" also?

Yes she pitched in ACC vs CAA but JMU has all but dominated the vast majority of it's many games vs the ACC.  As they have every other conference outside of the SEC.  

Tincher got her team to the WCWS, Good still has 2 more cracks at it.


Some of these questions have been answered, but I'll throw in my 2 cents as well.

Tincher pitched in the ACC when the conference as a whole was in much better shape.  The ACC today, as a whole, is no where near what it was when Tincher was at VT.  Can't hold wins/losses against Tincher as she is only responsible for one portion of that equation.  And yes Tincher had a massive workload because that is where the sport was at during her tenure ... it was the ride the horse to the glue factory era (that is still somewhat there but less pervasive).

Everyone jokes about the Texas offense during Osterman's reign, but the only thing worse than the Texas offense was the VT offense.  

In no way am I saying Good couldn't own the conference right alongside Burroughs and King, but Tincher from watching her in person was next level.  Even at their best, Tincher was still towering over Burroughs and King.
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Did Ci Ci beat up your kid or something...How many times are you going to say she throws a flat 64 no movement etc...she's averaging almost a strikeout an inning(49.2 innings 48k)...Yes she's raw needs work etc...but so does about 97% of the pitchers in the country.

Bad news for the CAA is Dean won't need to relay on Alexander when Good is gone, he has 2 or 3 pitchers that may be as good or better coming in.

And yes in the post season, I think everyone expects Good to pitch just about every important inning.


KYBandit, this is an OPINION forum, NOT a personal attack on your personal princess Alexander. If you bothered to read thru the posts, she's not special or being singled out. EVERY player is fair game for opinion. Most of these posters have forgotten more about softball than you will ever know. If the kids related to you, you're way too sensitive. If not, well you've got other issues. And if you're just another Super Homer for JMU, so are alot of people, including myself. Did you ever play sports at any level? Most of us did at the Collegiate level. And most of the posters either have kids who played, currently playing or getting ready to play.

These perceived attacks on your helpless players don't even register in the real world...ie: you're pretty much the only one complaining. You were the first person in forum history to break out the race card...that was landmark for sure. 

While there is some legit constructive criticism of players/coaches on many teams, 99% of it always leads to the overwhelming positives of the players/coaches. Even for your poor, helpless little kittens @ JMU. Speaking of that, word filtered out some of your do no wrong kids got in little hot water with the Coach. But in your vacuum of a world it was probably profiling. 

In regards to your 2nd line, unless Dean has found somebody in exile, it's pretty much common knowledge who he's got coming in. Sorry to ruin your day but, they couldn't carry Goods gym bag. Nobody close. Besides, my bet is he'll take another job in the SEC or Big 10 when Good leaves. 

To answer your first question, didn't know princess liked to fight but, my kid did ring her up looking the only time they faced each other. 
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I will probably take a beating for this but since people keep bringing up Tincher...(note: I never saw her pitch but am obviously aware of her accolades)

But looking at the numbers the biggest difference between Good and Tincher is Tincher pitched more and Lost way more...other than that Good's numbers are as close to if not better than Tincher's.  Wasn't Tincher still pitching at 40" also?

Yes she pitched in ACC vs CAA but JMU has all but dominated the vast majority of it's many games vs the ACC.  As they have every other conference outside of the SEC.  

Tincher got her team to the WCWS, Good still has 2 more cracks at it.


Megan Good first 2 years stats:

W-L: 63-6
ERA: 0.96
IP: 423
K:  438
Opp BAvg: .155

Good will never come close to Tincher's strikeout & innings pitched numbers. 
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KYBandit, this is an OPINION forum, NOT a personal attack on your personal princess Alexander. If you bothered to read thru the posts, she's not special or being singled out. EVERY player is fair game for opinion. Most of these posters have forgotten more about softball than you will ever know. If the kids related to you, you're way too sensitive. If not, well you've got other issues. And if you're just another Super Homer for JMU, so are alot of people, including myself. Did you ever play sports at any level? Most of us did at the Collegiate level. And most of the posters either have kids who played, currently playing or getting ready to play.

These perceived attacks on your helpless players don't even register in the real world...ie: you're pretty much the only one complaining. You were the first person in forum history to break out the race card...that was landmark for sure. 

While there is some legit constructive criticism of players/coaches on many teams, 99% of it always leads to the overwhelming positives of the players/coaches. Even for your poor, helpless little kittens @ JMU. Speaking of that, word filtered out some of your do no wrong kids got in little hot water with the Coach. But in your vacuum of a world it was probably profiling. 

In regards to your 2nd line, unless Dean has found somebody in exile, it's pretty much common knowledge who he's got coming in. Sorry to ruin your day but, they couldn't carry Goods gym bag. Nobody close. Besides, my bet is he'll take another job in the SEC or Big 10 when Good leaves. 

To answer your first question, didn't know princess liked to fight but, my kid did ring her up looking the only time they faced each other. 


Most people that read your post in this thread know you do have something personal with Alexander...just bc I am the only one that post about it doesn't mean that others don't see it ....there are way more readers than posters in here.  You have a negative tone towards all your comments on her.  If that makes you feel better about yourself than so be it.  But I told you once I am going to reply to everyone of your post when you talk about her....it's an OPINION forum..I will voice mine back.

I love this game and will always try to keep learning, while my experience in years may not be what some on here is...I will put up my credentials with the vast majority and feel pretty good about myself...Let me know the next time you are sitting at the ball park watching your daughter's team play and coaches from the SEC or BIG text you asking how a certain pitcher or team looks....I have been lucky enough to be around some of the best players in the country for many years....I don't have it all figured out but always willing to learn. 

If any JMU girls got into hot water with the coach that is for them to figure out not me...

I may not have been clear about my comments about incoming pitchers.  I think they will challenge Alexander for the #1 spot not replace Good.  Ford and Good are likely to be the best 2 players/pitchers that JMU will ever see.  Doesn't mean they won't have other very good ones but those 2 are special.

As far as Dean goes, you would have to ask him....He had a chance to over double his salary this year and turned it down.  I personally think it's unlikely he would take a B1G job and if the right job opened up in the SEC I think just about every coach at least entertains it.  Coach Dean is real young anymore, JMU is his families home.

Congrats on your kid's strike out of Ci Ci....no wonder you said she was a good hitter that happen to pitch!!!  Before it was a "great athlete that happen to pitch"

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