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lurker123

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That said, I'll stand be my assertion that without Good (with Alexander and McCabe pitching) JMU would still be the best team in the league, albeit marginally so.  


I think I'd probably agree with that JMU still tops out at No. 1. In that case however, we'd be talking about a team that would be lucky to win 1 game at regionals vs. what right now is a team looking to make the WCWS.
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So Mickey Pulls Alexander today after a Leadoff 4 pitch walk? whats going on there... that seems to be a quick hook... 
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Nothing new for Mickey.  My daughter's team was playing Mickey's Radford team "back in the day" and he his starter went 3-0 on the first batter and got the hook.  She didn't get a chance for ball four.  Low risk situation for him today as illustrated by McCabe's 5-inning no-hitter.  He gave an 'object lesson' to a FR pitcher.
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I don't blame him, JMU can't afford to have another clunker like they did at Mercer if they want to be at least top 16. It's a good way for young players to learn that 4 pitch walks can't happen.
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Again  that is why he is nicknamed Captain Hook. He will do that with freshmen or a pitcher that has not earned his trust. On another note Hofstra just beat Pacific 2-0 behind Sara Cornell who is now either 7-1 or 8-1 on the season.
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Again  that is why he is nicknamed Captain Hook. He will do that with freshmen or a pitcher that has not earned his trust. On another note Hofstra just beat Pacific 2-0 behind Sara Cornell who is now either 7-1 or 8-1 on the season.


She got her first career hit too, a pinch-hit double. Nice game for her all around, pitched out of several tough spots. Gave Pacific's ace her first loss of the season. With starting this game though, it'll be interesting to see how the game against Oregon goes tonight, Peslak was warming up towards end of the game so perhaps she'll get the start.
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He sounds like a jerk. Pulling a pitcher on a 3-0 count? If the kid can't pitch, don't start her.
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He sounds like a jerk. Pulling a pitcher on a 3-0 count? If the kid can't pitch, don't start her.


This is a big rule for Coach Dean. It's his number one pet peeve, with maybe the exception of a player not playing hard, is the pitcher starting an inning with a walk. His pitchers are also aware of this rule. It's not like he just does it without telling the pitchers ahead of time that if they walk the leadoff he will pull the from the game.

Now, I don't believe he's ever done this with Jailyn Ford or Megan Good or even Heather Kiefer. Those pitchers A) rarely ever have walked the leadoff batter B) have probably earned more trust from Dean and C) have shown an ability to pitch around that kind of mistake. So it isn't always a hard and fast rule.

I would bet he did it today to try and get Alexander to refocus. She's gotten off to slow starts in her last couple of games, so I'm sure he wanted to see her coming out firing. I'm also sure it was probably embarrassing to Alexander and it will be interesting to see how she responds.  
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So the rule is designed to motivate? I guess when you have a Good or a Ford you can treat the other pitchers like crap
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Dean is part of a very non-exclusive coaching club that despises leadoff walks. He isn't special in that regard. Now, that treatment of the pitcher? That is pretty uncommon
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If he won't do it to his top pitcher then he is just being a bully. I know he's a good coach but pitching is difficult and destroying a kid's confidence is counterproductive
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Well, Alexander's confidence was probably bolstered today after throwing a two-hitter (5 innings) versus Pittsburgh.  Dukes' pitcher surrendered 2 runs in the four games they played here this weekend.  
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Updated numbers from their own site for JMU's offense:

Mind boggling that the 1 and 2 hitters have combined for 2 extra base hits and are 1 for 6 on SB's while the 6-7 hitters have 17 XBH's and are 14 for 14 on SB's.  There really is no defense for not adjusting the lineup at this point.  If we assume they play around 50 games this season they are about half way through.  

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Updated numbers from their own site for JMU's offense:

Mind boggling that the 1 and 2 hitters have combined for 2 extra base hits and are 1 for 6 on SB's while the 6-7 hitters have 17 XBH's and are 14 for 14 on SB's.  There really is no defense for not adjusting the lineup at this point.  If we assume they play around 50 games this season they are about half way through.  

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There are coaches in the HOF that have made millions and have there lineup questioned, and there are also tee ball coaches that do as well...It's kinda what makes this game great!

JMU has some hitter's that haven't done as well as in the past but they are starting to get healthy with the sticks...Hopefully everyone can click at the end of the season.



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Updated numbers from their own site for JMU's offense:

Mind boggling that the 1 and 2 hitters have combined for 2 extra base hits and are 1 for 6 on SB's while the 6-7 hitters have 17 XBH's and are 14 for 14 on SB's.  There really is no defense for not adjusting the lineup at this point.  If we assume they play around 50 games this season they are about half way through.  

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Hmmm . . . this lineup has produced 6 runs per game; not a bad number.  The offense does struggle at times but don't think the batting order is the culprit.  I think Mickey's banking some experience for kids.  He can afford the luxury given the fact that, barring injury, his team will be favored in every game between now and May 15.
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So the rule is designed to motivate? I guess when you have a Good or a Ford you can treat the other pitchers like crap


As in other posts most can tell I am a big Odicci supporter...But I would say in the case of what happened Friday.  She got her self pulled more than Dean pulled her...But that's just my opinion.

Super happy for her and they way she bounced back Saturday vs Pitt.

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Everyone knows that just b/c the lineup is wrong it doesn't mean you can't still score runs and win games right?  Everyone knows that even hall of fame coaches on every level have made mistakes too right?  I'm still not saying he isn't good.  I'm saying his number 1-2 hitters have 2 XBH's and 1 steal while his 6-7 hitters have 17 XBH's and 14 steals.  Assuming Good will be the best hitter by the time the season is over which combo of kids in front of her would give her the most good RBI chances?  One group of 2 hits doubles and successfully steal bases.  The other group of 2 can't steal bases and don't get many XBH's.  It's legit not rocket science.  
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Tolle is hitting .270 and Arnold .415.  Extra base hits are pretty irrelevant for the one and two slots.  Lots of different ways to construct a lineup. I know some coaches who would have Megan leading off!  I've watched Mickey coach since his days at Radford.  I think he'd make the changes you want to see if his current 1& 2 sucked but they don't.  I think he likes the 'threat through lineup' approach with this group.  If he were facing top drawer pitching game after game he might feel the need to really cluster his hitters to produce runs but that's not the case.
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Take out the Florida's and Oklahoma type teams out of the discussion for a minute and here is my take. You take JMU's pitcher and put her on Hofstra, Towson and some others and you'd have the same results as JMU. She makes such a big difference it makes them competitive with the big teams. Reminds me of when Tincher was with Va. Tech. Their record would be no different than Towson's. As far as Towson is concerned, I looked at some stats. Last year in 54 total games their top 5 hitters hit 54 home runs. In 18 games so far, the top 5 has hit 9. To be on the same pace they would need 18. Those 9 missing home runs and the ERA a run higher per game, makes them a nice mid major team that could show up at any time and give someone a good game. Other than that take them, Hofstra, Elon et. al. and throw them in a bag and pick one out.


You could put Good (or most the top pitchers) on a D3 school and that D3 school would have a chance to beat over half the D1 field...

As far as the other schools being the same as JMU with out Good or Ford last year...maybe maybe not...remember JMU has had the rookie of the year 4 out of 5 years and will likely get it again this year....all their non freshman starters have been 1st or 2nd team all CAA...They did have a position player drafted last year...They have the defense player of the year for several years in a row as well..

So yes the pitching drives JMU just like it does all top schools but there is more to it than just pitching. 
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EY, we don't disagree. But put those players on a team with a great pitcher and they get recognized for their accomplishments because they are "in" all of their games. Put Good on Towson and they are better than JMU if JMU gets to use Towson's pitchers.
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Tolle is hitting .270 and Arnold .415.  Extra base hits are pretty irrelevant for the one and two slots.  Lots of different ways to construct a lineup. I know some coaches who would have Megan leading off!  I've watched Mickey coach since his days at Radford.  I think he'd make the changes you want to see if his current 1& 2 sucked but they don't.  I think he likes the 'threat through lineup' approach with this group.  If he were facing top drawer pitching game after game he might feel the need to really cluster his hitters to produce runs but that's not the case.


XBH's being irrelevant is one of the craziest things I've ever heard.  You score runs by going 4 bases.  If you get 2, 3 or 4 yourself while swinging you're much more likely to score.  You're also totally ignoring the 1 for 6 compared to 14 for 14 on steals.  They score way more runs 36 to 28 and drive in way more runs 36-11 b/c they've been better hitters and better base runners.  It really is that simple.

Good batting 1st would make more since than what he's doing now so those coaches would be more right than what's going on now.  .929 OPS compared to .689 is really glaring.  OPS is such a simple stat and it can get ignored at times. 
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Yeah, but for top 2 hitters, many coaches are looking for the 'O' number and don't want it sacrificed for the 'S' because usually when on base with the 'O', that sort of kid can steal a base and get a base that OPS doesn't account for
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Yeah, but for top 2 hitters, many coaches are looking for the 'O' number and don't want it sacrificed for the 'S' because usually when on base with the 'O', that sort of kid can steal a base and get a base that OPS doesn't account for


The ones that are far better Slugging this year are 14 for 14 on steals.  The ones that aren't Slugging this year are 1 for 6.  It isn't hard folks. The one that is 1 for 6 on steals takes her OBP essentially way down too.  The 2 that are at the back are OB over 40% of the time and are slugging and successfully stealing.  
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Going to be rough for JMU to climb the RPI rankings this year with not a single quality win by anyone else out of conference so far. And not many opportunities left that I see other than: Elon vs. VT, UNCW vs. UNC, UNCW vs. NC St, Elon vs. NC St. It is debatable if a win over VT or NC St will do much with their rough starts so far.

The big question is how many losses can JMU take if they are going to host a regional? Do they need to win the conference tournament to host regionals? Do they have any shot at hosting supers again (I think no)? 
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The ones that are far better Slugging this year are 14 for 14 on steals.  The ones that aren't Slugging this year are 1 for 6.  It isn't hard folks. The one that is 1 for 6 on steals takes her OBP essentially way down too.  The 2 that are at the back are OB over 40% of the time and are slugging and successfully stealing.  


OK.  Let's move on.
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Going to be rough for JMU to climb the RPI rankings this year with not a single quality win by anyone else out of conference so far. And not many opportunities left that I see other than: Elon vs. VT, UNCW vs. UNC, UNCW vs. NC St, Elon vs. NC St. It is debatable if a win over VT or NC St will do much with their rough starts so far.

The big question is how many losses can JMU take if they are going to host a regional? Do they need to win the conference tournament to host regionals? Do they have any shot at hosting supers again (I think no)? 


This is the big issue for JMU this season.  The conference OOC schedule for most CAA teams is terrible. Beating NC State isn't going help anyone; they aren't very good.  Hosting the regionals is probably the most to hope for this season. Too bad as the LSU super last season was, perhaps, the best softball series in the best atmosphere I have personally attended.
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This is the big issue for JMU this season.  The conference OOC schedule for most CAA teams is terrible. Beating NC State isn't going help anyone; they aren't very good.  Hosting the regionals is probably the most to hope for this season. Too bad as the LSU super last season was, perhaps, the best softball series in the best atmosphere I have personally attended.


It wouldn't be terrible if Hofstra, Elon, CofC, Towson or Delaware could have won some of the big games they had on the schedule. Losses across the board hurt.

I still feel like JMU is going to drop a few games between now and the end of the season. Hope it doesn't ruin their shot at hosting regionals.

Tough to tell who the #2 team is going to be in conference but their only way in the tournament will be to somehow win the conference auto-bid.
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Tough to tell who the #2 team is going to be in conference but their only way in the tournament will be to somehow win the conference auto-bid.
Which might cost JMU a shot of hosting a regional
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JMU will host a regional.

In 2015 on Selection Day, they were 47-8 and had lost the CAA tournament.  They still hosted, and deserved to IMO.  They have enough meat on their OOC schedule to keep them top 16.  Also, if they are close enough, to top 20 they should get it anyway.  NCAA will want do what they do, which is spread things around for travel purposes.  
Amazing facilities and lots of hotels in the area.  They would be safe even with a few more losses, which I don't see happening TBH.  They are a really good team.
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JMU will host a regional.

In 2015 on Selection Day, they were 47-8 and had lost the CAA tournament.  They still hosted, and deserved to IMO.  They have enough meat on their OOC schedule to keep them top 16.  Also, if they are close enough, to top 20 they should get it anyway.  NCAA will want do what they do, which is spread things around for travel purposes.  
Amazing facilities and lots of hotels in the area.  They would be safe even with a few more losses, which I don't see happening TBH.  They are a really good team.


Agree.  Aside from these positives JMU is great host because of the all-weather field and the fact that people there will fill the newly enlarged stadium.  Anyone who was lucky enough to attend the supers last year know it's a great place to play.
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