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Dewey

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Dewey unlike you, I will answer the question.



woody - Unfortunately, the answers aren't always so obvious.  That said, I believe 99 weeks of UE is about the max available now.  Are many citizens going to need more assistance than that?  I would think so.  As for who is refusing which jobs and are there really that many jobs out there to refuse, I suppose that's an easy accusation to make and a hard one to prove.   

Republicans often think they have the exact answers and simply say, I'm sorry but enough is enough.  If only it were that easy.  Bluedog wants to lower taxes more.  OK, how low should we take them?  Give me the exact number like you are asking of me.  How long should we continue in Afghanistan?  Exact years please, not some vague thought like it depends on the situation at the time.  Hard, isn't it? 

Let's just debate these issues as time calls for it.  My opinion over the amount of sacrifice we should expect of our unemployed citizens, during this economic crisis for which they aren't responsible, may vary depending on the sacrifice made by our more wealthy citizens.  I just can't come up with one generic answer, that fits all, to give you.           
LMUfan

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LMUFan - Sure, it's simple, but we make it complicated and dangerous when connected with government.  The god of nature (there are many such gods ranging from pantheistic to monolithic to multi purpose) existed for the founding fathers.  As you probably know, I am a Secular Humanist, and thus these "gods" to me are mythic symbols of attempts to explain that not known. Read Joseph Campbell's "Myth and Man" because he does a better job of explaining than I could ever do.   Where we run afoul of some agreement is when absolutists cling absolutely to a particular form of a god and god worship and refuse to understand or consider any other.  The founding fathers, according to my readings, spoke of a "god of nature" in keeping with their Deism, and I'm sure each "father" differed slightly from the others, hence "creator" and not "God". 

 I'm sure also that the anthropomorphic god of Christianity had few detractors in the 1700s in a Western European setting where Roman Catholicism (Christian) had reigned supreme during the Medieval Period and where the Renaissance and Reformation brought more Christian sects into being.  Enlightened men of that period, however, shunned a theocracy in writing our fundamental documents.  In 1954 our nation began writing "In God We Trust" all over the place, assuming that, of course "our god is the only real and true god".  I shudder at this move toward a theocracy.  Check out what has become of Islam and their one true and only god.   
Wise men those founding fathers.    


Frank,

If what you say is true and the references to God (I capitalize it because that's what they did) and it's not references to a religious God then why do the secular people try so hard to eradicate the word God from the places that it appears?  Personally, I'm not a religious person (does that make me secular?) but it rankles me that secular people seem to think it should be their way or no way.  Leave God in where ever it appears, it's a part of our history.
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LMUFan - I agree.  I have no argument with leaving "god" there as long as each religious group doesn't think it applies only to their one concept of a god and everyone should fall into lockstep.  What I personally oppose is theocracy as a governmental form.   I also don't think that secular folks push any harder for removing "god" than other groups do to maintain that their "god" is the only real "god" and that we are bound by the tenets of that one "god".    
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LMUfan

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LMUFan - I agree.  I have no argument with leaving "god" there as long as each religious group doesn't think it applies only to their one concept of a god and everyone should fall into lockstep.  What I personally oppose is theocracy as a governmental form.   I also don't think that secular folks push any harder for removing "god" than other groups do to maintain that their "god" is the only real "god" and that we are bound by the tenets of that one "god".    


Hey, we're in total agreement.  I may not be religious but I do think I believe in God.  And, if he is as wonderful as we've been told then he's tolerant and accepts us all, whether we believe in him or not.
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How long should we continue in Afghanistan?  Exact years please, not some vague thought like it depends on the situation at the time.  Hard, isn't it?


Nah, that's an easy one....We should leave Afghanistan now....Right now!


Disclaimer: I'm not republican...

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.......I believe in God.  And, if he is as wonderful as we've been told then he's tolerant and accepts us all, whether we believe in him or not. 


Why go on what you've been told?....There's alot of false teaching out there....Why not study the Bible and find out the Truth, instead?.....Jesus tells us in His written Word that He will reject us if we reject Him.....But, if we give our life to Him, He will, through His Grace, accept us as one of His people... 


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The wrath of God is a fearsome and terrifying thing. Only those who have been covered by the blood of Christ, shed for us on the cross, can be assured that God’s wrath will never fall on them. “Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through Him!” (Romans 5:9).



God has a plan for all of us.....He is our Creator and gave us all free will....That is how much he loves us.....He must meter out His justice to show us He is fair....The lie that God is tolerant and accepts us all no matter if we don't obey Him is what Satan wants us to believe....The Bible tells us the Truth.... 

I do believe Government and religion should never mix....However, spirituality amongst politicians is much needed....No Government should tell people who, or how, to worship....But, office holders have the right to worship as they wish....

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How long should we continue in Afghanistan?  Exact years please, not some vague thought like it depends on the situation at the time.  Hard, isn't it?


Nah, that's an easy one....We should leave Afghanistan now....Right now!


Disclaimer: I'm not republican...


I am a Conservative and agree we should exit Afghanistan ASAP. Before we do however, we should prosecute a real land and air war of complete annihilation upon the Taliban provinces, and all parts of Pakistan sheltering them. We should completely annihilate the Taliban, their supporters and the Government officials in Pakistan that are responsible for the sanctuaries they provide the Taliban and it's money men (leadership). Let these third world stone age societies devolve and be absorbed by other empires. The Pakistanis have screwed us over for Decades. India hates them with a passion. Iran is ready to scoop up the Afghan provinces that border their country to have some semblance of control over the region. We are dealing with a retarded backwards society that has had all it's educated and productive members flee to the West to escape its fundamentalist Tribal ignorance. Let them slay each other and butcher the small heritage that remains in the country. They are a lost civilization not worthy of one drop of brave American soldier's blood. After we exit, we should send out or hire kill squads to eliminate every source of funding on a person to person basis. Royal family, Tribal elders, bankers, every person responsible for funding Jihad in the world should be hunted down and eliminated. I have a very strong ideal that those wealthy families that fund raise, shelter and supply our enemy would cease activities in short order. If this conflict were handled as a war, we would have been done in less than a year, instead we nation build and try to garner the respect of those who despise us and wish our destruction. We wonder why the world no longer respects the values of America, we give them nothing to hold up to respect, and worse yet, nothing to fear by way of personal loss of family and fortune by attacking us. Let them rot in ignorance, famine, and pestilence. I am sure we will be blamed for all that anyway, so the heck with them. 

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LMUfan

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bluedog,

I have studied the bible.  I attended mass daily for many years and my first class of the day was religion, Catholic style. 

JoiseyGuy

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woody - I applaud your post and feel exactly as you do.  We should have learned something from the Russian invasion.    
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
bluedog

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LMUfan, I don't respect any religion as they are false teaching and God warns us to get away from them repeatedly in the Bible, and with all due respect to you, if one knows the Bible, then, one knows God....It's the only way to know God...A Bible believer knows that God does not accept us into His Church unless we are His followers... 

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LMUfan, I don't respect any religion as they are false teaching and God warns us to get away from them repeatedly in the Bible, and with all due respect to you, if one knows the Bible, then, one knows God....It's the only way to know God...A Bible believer knows that God does not accept us into His Church unless we are His followers... 



bluedog, I said I know the Bible, I didn't say that I believe it to be non-fiction.  There's no need to argue religion here, I just wanted to clear up my statement.
bluedog

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OK, I understand your stance, now.....

Just something for others to ponder.....

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But … I couldn’t and wouldn’t serve a God that doesn’t love everybody!

A. Truly? There is another Jesus, spirit, and gospel with many preachers (II Cor 11:3-5,13-15).

B. If you are so concerned about God loving everybody, why don’t you feel sorry for the devil?

C. You are gravely mistaken to think there is anything about you worth loving at all.

D. You are gravely mistaken to think there is something in God requiring Him to love you at all.

E. If you are going to create a God after your own thoughts, He has a word for you (Ps 50:21-22)!

  

LMUfan

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Blue dog,

I don't feel sorry for the devil because I don't believe he exists. Unless, of course, he is Charlie Sheen.
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