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DJPort2008

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On Thursday June 23, there is going to be an interesting/important vote in the United Kingdom (UK).  They will vote on whether or not the UK should remain in the European Union (EU).

How do you think it will go?
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I think they'll vote to stay in.  I've seen some noise on Twitter but that's all it is.

London is in real trouble is all I 'know'.

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I was talking with someone else on another forum about this and he said polls he saw had "Leave" with the advantage as of right now.
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It's not all about England proper. It also concerns Wales, Scotland and Ireland. The latter mentioned nations get a lot of checks in the mail. These nations have a hidden caste system within them. It has been so for generations. There are a lot of people that vote for a check in the mail, and they fear that leaving the EU would stop that check from coming. It's a form of Socialism that England has been handing out to occupied territories since the middle ages. Really, I know people in the US oil business that were absolutely told not to discuss the amount of money they were paid when working in oil rig assembly facilities in Scotland. Everyone there works for a minimum salary, and gets government subsidies handed out to them. It's a way of life, and God forbid that a free man would have any say in the amount of money he is paid for the value of his work. This is where we as a nation are headed with the Socialists ideals of a "living wage", and a national "minimum wage. If you are a low level individual, that failed to take any personal responsibility for your own economic outcome, you become a ward of the state. You are paid a "living wage" by the government, and you vote for that check in the mail, along with subsidized housing, utilities, food, and health care. Why try to excel in life and be exceptional, when you can just hang out, and get a check in the mail?? That's the Democrat vision for our nation
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3647961/Senior-defence-chief-Lord-Guthrie-switches-sides-Brexit-battle-Remain-Leave-dangerous-European-army-plans.html
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http://www.politico.eu/article/switzerland-withdraws-application-to-join-the-eu/
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Looks like they are leaving.  Markets around the world are crashing.  David Cameron may resign tomorrow.  US stock futures are down more than 700 points right now and markets don't open for another 8+ hours.  Oh boy, this is going to be interesting.

Fasten your seat belts!

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So much for the European Socialism experiment, which Thatcher referred to as the European Project, "the greatest folly of the modern era."

Oppo leaders in France and Netherlands already calling for like referendums, surely more to come.

Tough times for status quo old school politicos.

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Historic vote in the UK

Obama and Clinton both on the wrong side of history.

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keepinitreal

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obama and clinton are just wrong period.

Good for the UK, take control over your own destiny.  Too much power at the top, isn't that the libtard mantra?

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Obama threatened to put staunch US ally at "the back of the queue" if they voted for independence. Such belligerence directed at people seeking to better themselves doesn't exactly foster unity, or reflect the warm-fuzzy compassion Democrats *claim* to be champions of. So the UK faced down Obama's threatened punishment for leaving the progressive commune, and goes to the back of line as punishment. That's progressive compassion, how Demicrats roll.

Presumably the UK is now well behind Iran in line, that friendly psychotic terrorist regime that Obama is presently pushing US companies really hard to do business with. Because the world needs to be inclusive, according to progressive's, even if it means strengthening repressive, anti-Western, religious terrorists. Even if it means conceding territory and power to Putin, allowing Assad to massacre Syrians, creating a tidal wave of third-world migration into already the fragile economies of Europe and the US.

The problem for leaders of Western Democracies - unlike Putin, Khameni, Assad, Sisi, the Saudi Royals, etc - is that they are ultimately accountable to the people, who have watched the global elite and multinational corporations grow more powerful and wealthier as the middle and lower classes have stagnated. Is anyone surprised that more and more people are seeking to throw off the status quo?

Americans voted for change in 2008, but under Obama the rich are still getting richer, and corporations are still getting more powerful, at the expense of the people and small businesses, and their economic viability.

The progressive Big Government movement in the US and Europe has failed to provide sufficient opportunity for their own constituencies, all the while consolidating their own elitism. More and bigger government hasn't accomplished what these leaders promised. Economic uncertainty is rampant world wide. War and the threat of war are greater than at any time during our lives. Security failures are commonplace as services can't keep up with the threats presented by progressive inclusiveness. Kumbaya isn't working.

Faced with this, people rebel against the status quo. We get Brexit, and others may follow. We may get Trump, for better or worse, not as a remedy but as a shock to the system, which is failing too many people.

What we get in response from the ruling elite is exactly what you'd expect from thugs - threats and punishment. Obama's threat to punish the people of the UK for not remaining in the herd is both egregious and insidious - anti-Democratic and anti-independence - but perfectly in line with the progressive One World ideology of authoritarian Big Government rule.

Brexit may not be the wisest response, but it reflects the growing displeasure of people everywhere. Threatening disaffected populations with even greater economic hardship is hardly a recipe for successful governance. What should be a wake up call to the political elite, an opportunity to listen to and better serve "the people," instead becomes an occasion to teach them a punitive lesson.

Really? How insidious is that? How much harm does Obama now intend to inflict on the people of the U.K.?

What kind of "leadership" is that? Is this really what America stands for? Is this who we are as a people? Are we really a country that empowers despotism and crushes liberal democracies?

What has happened to America?


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Another reason he's a POS and not a leader of men. Now he's backtracking on his "back of the queue" statement. The leader of crawfishing after he threatened the U.K.
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As world markets are proving, Brexit is a catastrophe.  Unfortunately, the Brexit movement was led by Britain's version of DONald Trump.  Promises made that now have to be withdrawn - within mere hours of Brexit passing.  Outrageous claims about immigrants.  Outright lies.

And who voted to leave?  The white, the elderly, and the poorly educated.  Sound familiar?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/06/watch-brexit-lies-unravel-nigel-farage-calls-350m-week-promise-nhs-mistake

http://www.nationalmemo.com/nigel-farage-brexit-vote-lies-shamelessness/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-350-million-pounds-eu-referendum-vote-leave-lie-a7100706.html

https://tabloidcorrections.wordpress.com/2016/02/20/six-lies-told-by-nigel-farage-in-express-article/

http://infacts.org/farage-makes-hat-trick-of-errors-in-marr-interview/

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-krishnan-guru-murthy-dragged-british-politics-into-the-gutter-channel-4-news_uk_57684ac9e4b01fb65863eb97

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/07/cameron-accuses-eu-leave-campaigners-six-lies-brexit



And now it appears that many Brits may not have even known what they were voting for.  Maybe they got a little edgy when they saw what the FTSE was doing this morning when they woke up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3657997/Britain-s-Google-searches-hint-people-didn-t-know-voting-for.html

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/united-kingdom-uk-brexit-google-european-union-what-is-eu-referendum-euref

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/24/12024862/brexit-popular-google-searches

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/



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DC - one thing to remember is that the impacts of this are far, far away.  The UK will elect a new PM in the fall and the actual implementation is at least two years away.  The markets have always been emotional and they're acting emotionally today.

To say that it proves that Brexit is a catastrophe is hysteria run amok.
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If the Brits didn't know what they were voting on then it was clearly the 50+ crowd that was fooled.  Are we to believe that the 18-24 crowd was so much smarter than the elderly?

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DC, welcome to what many Americans woke up to in 2008.
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DC, welcome to what many Americans woke up to in 2008.


Oh, I remember it well.....

Yes, markets tend to over-react at times.  I don't recall a global reaction like this in the past, though.  Hopefully it's not another 2008, but if more European countries decide to have referendums, this could get very ugly.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/24/investing/brexit-pound-dollar-stocks-fear/index.html?iid=surge-stack-dom

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but if more European countries decide to have referendums, this could get very ugly.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/24/investing/brexit-pound-dollar-stocks-fear/index.html?iid=surge-stack-dom


If the people of a certain country don't want to be in the EU, shouldn't they be allowed to voice that to their politicians?
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36618317

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  • German Chancellor Angela Merkel expressed "great regret" at the British decision, saying: "This is a blow to Europe and to the European unification process"
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" Outrageous claims about immigrants.  Outright lies."

Your naivete is what is outrageous.  They saw the same thing we see here in America, open borders are no bueno.  Yes' immigration was the driving force in this vote and then barack, the POS, opened his mouth and pushed the vote over the edge.  Thanks again barack

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then barack, the POS, opened his mouth and pushed the vote over the edge.  Thanks again barack


So you say the guy has no balls and can't get anything done in the US, but then you say he has the power to determine the outcome of Brexit?  Which is it??? 

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From theguardian.com -

World markets have slumped in Europe, America and Asia, as economists predict that Brexit vote will push UK into recession


New estimates tonight say Brexit has wiped out over two trillion dollars of value, worldwide

But that wasn’t enough to stop France’s CAC sliding by 8%, or Wall Street suffering its biggest one-day fall in 10 months.

And then Moody’s fired a warning shot at Britain, cutting its rating outlook to negative due to the economic problems caused by Brexit.

Britain also faces a political crisis tonight, of course, plus pressure from Europe to actually start the exit process..


North and South American Indexes

 IndexCountryChange% ChangeLevelLast Update
[marketClosed] Dow Jones Industrial AverageUnited States-610.32-3.39%17,400.754:59pm ET
[marketClosed] S&P 500 INDEXUnited States-75.91-3.59%2,037.414:59pm ET
[marketClosed] Brazil Bovespa Stock IndexBrazil-1,454.56-2.82%50,105.266:04pm ET
[marketClosed] Canada S&P/TSX 60Canada-15.63-1.90%808.555:01pm ET
[marketClosed] Santiago Index IPSAChile-44.67-1.42%3,090.294:13pm ET
[marketClosed] IPCMexico+473.44+1.04%44,885.826:06pm ET


European Indexes

 IndexCountryChange% ChangeLevelLast Update
[marketClosed] FTSE 100England-199.41-3.15%6,138.691:01pm ET
[marketClosed] Euronext 100Europe-45.17-5.22%819.9912:05pm ET
[marketClosed] CAC 40France-273.30-6.24%4,106.7312:05pm ET
[marketClosed] DAXGermany-699.87-6.82%9,557.164:45pm ET
[marketClosed] Swiss Market IndexSwitzerland-208.86-2.60%7,814.1911:14am ET

Asian Indexes

 IndexCountryChange% ChangeLevelLast Update
[marketClosed] Australia ASX All OrdinariesAustralia-165.80-3.09%5,192.802:10am ET
[marketClosed] Shanghai SE Composite IndexChina-37.67-1.30%2,854.293:29am ET
[marketClosed] Hang SengHong Kong-614.83-2.95%20,253.514:01am ET
[marketClosed] Mumbai SensexIndia-604.51-2.24%26,397.718:30am ET
[marketClosed] Nikkei 225Japan-1,286.33-7.92%14,952.022:15am ET
[marketClosed] Taiwan TSEC 50 IndexTaiwan-218.45-2.52%8,458.231:19am ET


(And, yeah, I think catastrophic is still a good word to describe this.)

(But it's so comforting to know that it will help Trump's businesses....)

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The only time Obummer has any balls is when he is standing up for the right to kill a baby, or standing up against freedom or American patriotism.
Obummer stood up against Brexit, in other words he stood UP for socialism and an influx of Islamic immigrants getting a free pass into GB via the EC and Obummer got SLAPPED DOWN!!!!!

This is no different than what is going to happen in November. The libtards want open boarders and tons of freebies. Thats how they grow their voter base. People pour into the country for all of the free stuff, and as a bonus, people who want to kill Americans use those open boarders to get in as well. The American people are wising up though. That is why Trump is so popular. Build the wall!!!!!!

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First, I don't think BHO had anything to do with this.  I don't think Trump had anything to do with this.  I've heard both "blamed" today.  This was a people who want to have borders, their own money, and have their laws apply to their citizens without Brussels telling them what to do.  It might just be the same thing in America.  I am positive that Trump will run with this. 

BTW, and I did not know this.  The last "polls" in Great Britain had staying in the EU winning in double digits.  I saw one video from two days ago where the pollster almost guaranteed that GB was staying where it was.  So much for polling.
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Coach - if you look at a map of where the stay and leave votes came from, it looked very much like a map of Democrat and Republican voters.  The stay votes came from urban areas and leave came from less populated areas.  That might have something to do with the error in the polling.
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My take is the sports and betting books pulled off the scam of the century.
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Coach - if you look at a map of where the stay and leave votes came from, it looked very much like a map of Democrat and Republican voters.  The stay votes came from urban areas and leave came from less populated areas.  That might have something to do with the error in the polling.


I agree and I have heard absurd comments that London is thinking of remaining.  Come on!  Our country is much the same.  I keep telling some of you what it is like in the heartland.  I believe that some of these people will vote this time and they are never polled.  BTW, I got polled today by a company in Colorado.  I was told that the survey would take 3 minutes.  I was first asked how I identify myself, ...  Then, I was asked to rate President Obama.  When I gave my rating, the pollster hung up.  I guess I didn't give the right answer for this "national poll."
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15 links DC?  Got to be a record.  1 day of down markets and you predict UK's demise?  they've been around 1000 years.  I'm sure they'll be fine.  I'm happy to see they rejected the one world government idea.

Maybe Texit in this country is next.
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So you say the guy has no balls and can't get anything done in the US, but then you say he has the power to determine the outcome of Brexit?  Which is it??? 
you're pretty dense aren't you? Someone posted a story today about everything that barack touches turns to trash. I leave it up to you to find it, read it and heed it.

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So you say the guy has no balls and can't get anything done in the US, but then you say he has the power to determine the outcome of Brexit?  Which is it??? 
Here you go knucklehead.

From pabar,

"From George Will in reference to Obama telling Britons to stay in the EU:

“He [Obama] went to Massachusetts to campaign against Scott Brown; Brown is now a senator. He went to New Jersey to campaign against Chris Christie, who is now governor. He went to Virginia to campaign against Bob McDonnell, who is now governor. He campaigned for the health care plan extensively; it became less popular. He campaigned in 2010 for the Democrats; they were shellacked. He began, in a sense, his presidency flying to Copenhagen to get Chicago the Olympics, Chicago is the first city eliminated. There is no evidence that the man has rhetorical powers that he’s relying on.”

The bottom line is that if Obama had just kept his mouth shut, the UK might still be a part of the EU"

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