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I agree the Democratic party has gotten away from it's message. The upper echelons of the party have sold their souls for fundraising events and hollow promises with no means to fulfill those promises. I am encouraged by the Dems bonding together in defense of our nation from the Trump presidency. Hopefully this tactic will force a bipartisan attempt to address the serious ssues we are facing. 
This gentleman looks middle class with some education. He's drinking the Trump cool aide and has come to conclusions counter to mine. He comments on changing his mind and mentions illegal actions from the Democratic party, but doesn't say what they are. Similar to the conservatives here. I guess you have assumed he lives in an inner city ghetto because he's black. He is no more in contact with the culture of the inner city than you and I. We respond to what we see, but to actually know what it's like, you'd have to live it. Doubt this guy has. 
Your glee at finding a black individual to denounce BLM only reinforces my belief you are racist. The problem is culturally and economically based. Not a function of color. Find me someone that lives day to day in the inner city.


It's much more than that.  The Democrats have lurched hard left into borderline socialism.  That is why you now hear murmurs of single payer and universal basic income.  Truly socialist ideas that will result in misery.

Saying a black guy is drinking Kool-Aid is stereotyping and racist.  And where did I ever insinuate that he's from the inner city?  That's a huge racist leap you just made there.
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Both parties and the country as a whole have been driven to opposite poles by the divisive rhetoric spewed out from our leaders. Portraying attempts at conciliation as weakness, drawing lines in the sand and generally setting ultimatums instead of goals has led us to this contemptuously inflexible situation. To insinuate it is just the Democrats is wrong. Republicans are just as much at fault and if they had any leadership it would have become more apparent. I don't blame the Democrats for standing their ground. Republicans had 7 years to devise an alternative health care plan. Trump promised he had a beautiful plan with more coverage at a lower price. Crap. We need to write our representatives and tell them we are sick of partisan politics and will do everything in our power to see that we are responsibly represented in the future. The thought that Trump would shake things up and somehow the government would come to it's senses and right it's own ship has turned out to be a pipe dream. An enlightened political direction can't come from chaos. 
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Both parties and the country as a whole have been driven to opposite poles by the divisive rhetoric spewed out from our leaders. Portraying attempts at conciliation as weakness, drawing lines in the sand and generally setting ultimatums instead of goals has led us to this contemptuously inflexible situation. To insinuate it is just the Democrats is wrong. Republicans are just as much at fault and if they had any leadership it would have become more apparent. I don't blame the Democrats for standing their ground. Republicans had 7 years to devise an alternative health care plan. Trump promised he had a beautiful plan with more coverage at a lower price. Crap. We need to write our representatives and tell them we are sick of partisan politics and will do everything in our power to see that we are responsibly represented in the future. The thought that Trump would shake things up and somehow the government would come to it's senses and right it's own ship has turned out to be a pipe dream. An enlightened political direction can't come from chaos. 
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I see you getting away from your obvious racist statements
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Both parties and the country as a whole have been driven to opposite poles by the divisive rhetoric spewed out from our leaders. Portraying attempts at conciliation as weakness, drawing lines in the sand and generally setting ultimatums instead of goals has led us to this contemptuously inflexible situation. To insinuate it is just the Democrats is wrong. Republicans are just as much at fault and if they had any leadership it would have become more apparent. I don't blame the Democrats for standing their ground. Republicans had 7 years to devise an alternative health care plan. Trump promised he had a beautiful plan with more coverage at a lower price. Crap. We need to write our representatives and tell them we are sick of partisan politics and will do everything in our power to see that we are responsibly represented in the future. The thought that Trump would shake things up and somehow the government would come to it's senses and right it's own ship has turned out to be a pipe dream. An enlightened political direction can't come from chaos. 


I disagree.  I am highly disappointed in Republicans because I think they've moved left.  What the media tries to portray as right-wing extremism is simply a small group of conservative politicians that are trying to pull the entire political establishment back to constitutionalism.  Look at what's happened to the national debt.  It could not have reached $20 trillion without the idiotic enablement of RINOs.  Look at what has happened to immigration.  Republicans let that happen.  We can't blame Democrats - they support illegal immigration so why should we be mad at them when they achieve their goals?

Those of us who didn't vote for Trump (and there are plenty of conservatives in this forum who didn't) worried all the time about Trump's conservatives bonafides and we're finding out what we knew - he really doesn't have any.

Conservatism and a return to being the Constitutional Republic our founding fathers intended is the only true path to prosperity for everyone.

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Both parties and the country as a whole have been driven to opposite poles by the divisive rhetoric spewed out from our leaders. Portraying attempts at conciliation as weakness, drawing lines in the sand and generally setting ultimatums instead of goals has led us to this contemptuously inflexible situation. To insinuate it is just the Democrats is wrong. Republicans are just as much at fault and if they had any leadership it would have become more apparent. I don't blame the Democrats for standing their ground. Republicans had 7 years to devise an alternative health care plan. Trump promised he had a beautiful plan with more coverage at a lower price. Crap. We need to write our representatives and tell them we are sick of partisan politics and will do everything in our power to see that we are responsibly represented in the future. The thought that Trump would shake things up and somehow the government would come to it's senses and right it's own ship has turned out to be a pipe dream. An enlightened political direction can't come from chaos. 

FTR, I was pushing back on your absurd suggestion that Dems were interested in bipartisanship. I know both sides are guilty and almost admitted it in the post, however I wanted to see how you'd respond.

The "GOP had 7 years" charge is tired and ignores the fact Congress doesn't seriously deal with anything until they see an opportunity or have their backs against a deadline. FTR, the scope of a "replacement" plan grew dramatically over the 7 years from basically nothing to Obama-lite.
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Both parties and the country as a whole have been driven to opposite poles by the divisive rhetoric spewed out from our leaders. Portraying attempts at conciliation as weakness, drawing lines in the sand and generally setting ultimatums instead of goals has led us to this contemptuously inflexible situation. To insinuate it is just the Democrats is wrong. Republicans are just as much at fault and if they had any leadership it would have become more apparent. I don't blame the Democrats for standing their ground. Republicans had 7 years to devise an alternative health care plan. Trump promised he had a beautiful plan with more coverage at a lower price. Crap. We need to write our representatives and tell them we are sick of partisan politics and will do everything in our power to see that we are responsibly represented in the future. The thought that Trump would shake things up and somehow the government would come to it's senses and right it's own ship has turned out to be a pipe dream. An enlightened political direction can't come from chaos. 

Trump is fixing that by focusing on what is important.  Getting the economy going, jobs for the American Worker, getting rid of out of control odummer care, tax reform.  

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I disagree.  I am highly disappointed in Republicans because I think they've moved left.  What the media tries to portray as right-wing extremism is simply a small group of conservative politicians that are trying to pull the entire political establishment back to constitutionalism.  Look at what's happened to the national debt.  It could not have reached $20 trillion without the idiotic enablement of RINOs.  Look at what has happened to immigration.  Republicans let that happen.  We can't blame Democrats - they support illegal immigration so why should we be mad at them when they achieve their goals?

Those of us who didn't vote for Trump (and there are plenty of conservatives in this forum who didn't) worried all the time about Trump's conservatives bonafides and we're finding out what we knew - he really doesn't have any.

Conservatism and a return to being the Constitutional Republic our founding fathers intended is the only true path to prosperity for everyone.


The RINOs continue to trap any real efforts to reduce the size/scope of the federal government.  McConnell Ryan can regularly get 40-45 votes.  But never seem to get to 51 on anything.  That has little to do with Trump. 

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He's the "deal maker" we heard all election - what happened?

As the head of the GOP - it's squarely on him.
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He's the "deal maker" we heard all election - what happened?

As the head of the GOP - it's squarely on him.

Sure it is.  Unfortunately for you, most Americans are putting this on McConnell and McCain.  A bit on Ryan. 

Trump has shown he is willing to do what he can.  Look at the mass cutting of EPA regs, handling the immigration issue.  Congress is going to be the ones that look bad. 

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Both candidate Trump and President Trump seriously diminished and insulted Sen John McCain.  Now McCain refuses to succumb to the President's call for his vote.  While some will place blame elsewhere, this has a great deal to do with President Trump.  Don't kid yourself.  The GOP leadership is consistently getting close to 95% to fall in line.  The President is responsible for the fact it isn't 100%.
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End of FY 2001, which was Pres Clinton last year, debt was $5.8T.
See next link.

End of FY 2009, which is last year applicable to Pres Bush, debt was $11.9T or more than doubled.
See here - https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

Eight years under Obama deficits total about $7T.
See here - https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit

Understand debt goes up higher than total deficits.
Explained here - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2014/11/04/there-is-no-budget-conspiracy-why-federal-debt-increases-by-more-than-the-deficit/



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Sure it is.  Unfortunately for you, most Americans are putting this on McConnell and McCain.  A bit on Ryan. 

Trump has shown he is willing to do what he can.  Look at the mass cutting of EPA regs, handling the immigration issue.  Congress is going to be the ones that look bad. 


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Congress looking bad is worse than the President looking bad at this point.
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The "GOP had 7 years" charge is tired and ignores the fact Congress doesn't seriously deal with anything until they see an opportunity or have their backs against a deadline. FTR, the scope of a "replacement" plan grew dramatically over the 7 years from basically nothing to Obama-lite.


I believe there are many legislators on both sides of the aisle that would welcome legitimate give and take on these important subjects. The problem is the leadership. They are the ones that set the tone and until they get serious about how to come up with the best legislation possible, we are doomed to delays and mediocrity. I'd be for locking 'em in a gymnasium somewhere and they can't leave until the ___________ bill is approved. No showers, no shaving, no hair products......crap behind a screen in a bucket. Slide Zestos hot dogs and fries under the door. Bet they'd come up with something then.
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Chuck and Nancy approve this message.

Congress looking bad is worse than the President looking bad at this point.

The chuck and nancy deal fully faciliated the current round on healthcare. 

It actually screwed chuck and nancy.  Their constituents are showing screaming mad.  Not just a little, all out losing their minds.  Going to put Chuck and Nancy in a difficult position going foward.

Here is he WSJ article saying America is pretty happy Trump is getting things together on DACA. 
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-bipartisan-outreach-gets-strong-support-in-new-poll-1505966460?tesla=y

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Here is he WSJ article saying America is pretty happy Trump is getting things together on DACA
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-bipartisan-outreach-gets-strong-support-in-new-poll-1505966460?tesla=y

DACA? I can't read the whole article since I'm not a WSJ subscriber, however the beginning part only talks about the short-term deal to fund the government and hurricane relief. Perhaps you can post an excerpt about DACA.
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I believe there are many legislators on both sides of the aisle that would welcome legitimate give and take on these important subjects. The problem is the leadership. They are the ones that set the tone and until they get serious about how to come up with the best legislation possible, we are doomed to delays and mediocrity. I'd be for locking 'em in a gymnasium somewhere and they can't leave until the ___________ bill is approved. No showers, no shaving, no hair products......crap behind a screen in a bucket. Slide Zestos hot dogs and fries under the door. Bet they'd come up with something then.

Zestos? Must be a regional thing.

Who do you mean by "leadership"? I think Schumer was initially willing to deal with Trump until the Left put the kibosh on it. GOP members routinely buck Ryan and McConnell. 

The real problem in Congress is preoccupation with pleasing special interests and getting re-elected.
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DACA? I can't read the whole article since I'm not a WSJ subscriber, however the beginning part only talks about the short-term deal to fund the government and hurricane relief. Perhaps you can post an excerpt about DACA.

The short term deal to fund the government was a give from Trump in exchange Pelosi/Shumer agreed to deal on DACA.   

Here is Rush's analysis of that WSJ article: 
It wont let me copy past any of it. 
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/09/21/meanwhile-trump-is-kicking-butt-and-democrats-are-in-trouble/


NYT is also reporting Trump Pelosi Shumer deal was about replacing DACA. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/trump-dinner-schumer-pelosi-daca-obamacare.html?mcubz=3

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The short term deal to fund the government was a give from Trump in exchange Pelosi/Shumer agreed to deal on DACA.   
I disagree they're connected. Trump did the funding deal to clear the decks so Congress could work on other things like DACA and tax reform. Pelosi and Schumer tried to get Trump to go along with the Dream Act (i.e. amnesty) to replace DACA and he bit. Haven't heard much since he backtracked.

Here is Rush's analysis of that WSJ article: 
It wont let me copy past any of it. 
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/09/21/meanwhile-trump-is-kicking-butt-and-democrats-are-in-trouble/
Nothing definitive Rush was talking about that particular article.

NYT is also reporting Trump Pelosi Shumer deal was about replacing DACA. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/trump-dinner-schumer-pelosi-daca-obamacare.html?mcubz=3
No connection mentioned between the funding deal and DACA proposal.

If there's something in the WSJ article about DACA - post it instead of trying to blow smoke up our asses.
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I can'tfind a reference to DACA in the article. Will cut and paste article. Here's the only mention I found on immigration.

Mr. Trump’s handling of the economy is viewed positively by 41% and negatively by 36%. But views were more negative than positive for all nine other issues tested—among them his handling of North Korea, his pardon of former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio and his response to the white nationalist protest that turned violent in Charlottesville, Va. Opinion split mostly along party lines.

The White House and Republicans are hoping to chalk up a big win in the coming months with major tax legislation, but the poll didn’t find people raising a loud clamor for a tax cut, especially for corporations.

Asked whose taxes should be cut, 24% said individuals, 4% said businesses and 28% said both. Some 42% said taxes shouldn’t be cut at all at this time.

The poll found fewer people saw unfairness in the tax system now than in 1985, before the last major tax overhaul was enacted into law.

In a late 1985 poll, 59% said businesses weren’t paying their fair share of taxes. Now, 37% said businesses pay less than their fair share, and an additional 34% said they pay about the right amount.

In 1985, 45% said they personally were paying more than their fair share. Now, 40% said so. Some 55% said they pay about the right amount.

“There is not much wind” behind a big push for tax cuts, Mr. McInturff said. “That’s not people at the barricades.”

 

But unlike many other issues, such as immigration policy, a push for tax cuts is one policy focus that unites the GOP.

With U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont bringing his universal health-care plan to the fore last week, the poll found that people are evenly split over a “single payer” health-care system in which people would get insurance from a government plan financed by taxes. Some 47% said they favored a single-payer system, while 46% opposed such a plan.

Among Democrats, 72% favored such a system; among Republicans, 74% are opposed.

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If there's something in the WSJ article about DACA - post it instead of trying to blow smoke up our asses.

It is the f'n title.  loser. 
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Pelosi and Schumer Say They Have Deal With Trump to Replace DACA


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40% say they pay too much in taxes, 55% say they pay about the right amount, and 4% say they don't pay enough of their share of taxes. Since half the people pay no taxes, I wonder how that all stacks up?
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The 55% that say they pay the right amount means many feel 0% IS the right amount
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Throw in the EITC, and they are really satisfied with the amount they DON'T pay. What BS. Just another welfare check in the mail from another ABC agency. Courtesy of your tax dollars promoting Socialism.
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It is the f'n title.  loser. 
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Pelosi and Schumer Say They Have Deal With Trump to Replace DACA



Sorry, thought he was looking for something "in depth". Forgot you can put your assumptions in place of facts.
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I can'tfind a reference to DACA in the article. Will cut and paste article. Here's the only mention I found on immigration.

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It is the f'n title.  loser. 
"Pelosi and Schumer Say They Have Deal With Trump to Replace DACA

Shove it ahole. There's obviously a disconnect since that's not the title of the article you linked.

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Here is he WSJ article saying America is pretty happy Trump is getting things together on DACA. 
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-bipartisan-outreach-gets-strong-support-in-new-poll-1505966460?tesla=y

Trump’s Bipartisan Outreach Gets Strong Support in New Poll

President’s job-approval rating inches up 3 percentage points

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UWA is some serious low hanging fruit
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I can'tfind a reference to DACA in the article. 

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