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3leftturns

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There is no one who has done better with what she has had to sell kids than Patty Gasso.

While the Pac NW is barren with in-state talent, Oklahoma not that much better.

And, it's living the middle of Oklahoma for four years.

She could sell a glass of water to a drowning man.

The coach couldn't win any of the natties without her putting her team in position to do so.

Got a little fortunate this year, but, you can't get lucky unless you are in position for some luck to actually help you out.

Only props to her.
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There is no one who has done better with what she has had to sell kids than Patty Gasso.

While the Pac NW is barren with in-state talent, Oklahoma not that much better.

And, it's living the middle of Oklahoma for four years.

She could sell a glass of water to a drowning man.

The coach couldn't win any of the natties without her putting her team in position to do so.

Got a little fortunate this year, but, you can't get lucky unless you are in position for some luck to actually help you out.

Only props to her.


LOL!  Even your compliments are back-handed/insincere.
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Gimme an addy, I'll toss you a dictionary
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Gimme an addy, I'll toss you a dictionary


Great! I can always use another dictionary, but take my advice and steer clear of the Adderall.
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Baylor will definitely have more power throughout their lineup. With freshman Hannah Thompson and Carlee Wallace coming in, combined with the heavy hitters in McGlaun and Friudenberg, this team won't solely be relying on small ball to score runs anymore. The area that will probably keep Baylor from knocking off Oklahoma is strength of pitching. While Gia Rodoni is certainly a very good pitcher, I'm still not sure that she will be able to lead this team. Hopefully she uses this offseason to work a little more on control.

Oklahoma definitely has Baylor beat out in the pitching category as they are absolutely stacked. Pitching and defense will take you a long way and they certainly have it in their roster. Offense wins games, but defense wins championships so I expect Oklahoma to take the title again with Baylor behind them in second.


You seems to have inside information on Baylor. What pitchers do they have or coming in? Who of value that could've seriously helped, but is no longer in the program? Didn't see a lot of Baylor games, but I wouldn't say Rodoni had a control problem. McGlaun had some control issues which really could've been from immaturity at this level. I have no doubt she'll find her groove and begin to contribute.
Oklahoma picked up a transfer pitcher whom I'm sure would've seen more innings at any other BigXII team than what they'll see at OU.
Oklahoma St has gotten quite a bit better and I only see them continuing.
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<< I have to go on shift, but excellent, thought-provoking post, LL...
Will try to delve at that tomorrow >> (3LT)

Lefty - You wrote this post in regard to LandLottery's post #44.
I was looking forward to your response... 
but none has come. 

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First:  OU beat Auburn at Auburn twice in May---not in OKC.  Baylor beat Arizona in Arizona two of three, in May.  Oklahoma State took one of three from Florida at Florida, the top-ranked team.  OSU never beat OU anywhere.

Secondly:  For years, the winner emerging from OKC was always from the West Coast, nearly all from Arizona or California.  Their victories seemed to have little to do with OKC or where it was played.  They also won when the title game was played in Georgia.

It didn't take a mathematician to look at the rpi standings this year and question the validity.  Certain teams were receiving high rpi rankings despite the fact that they were playing nearly all of their games in their home state, mostly on their home field.  Florida, e.g., was a good team.  But, Florida played almost nobody outside the State of Florida, and they lost to a very weak Maryland team in Florida.  Somehow, losing to Maryland didn't seem to affect Florida.  Why  not?

Losing to Houston in College Station didn't seem to affect A&M's rpi.  Why not?

Losing to Penn State in Baton Rouge didn't seem to affect LSU's rpi.  Why not?

Losing to Nebraska-Omaha and Nevada in Utah didn't seem to affect Utah's rpi.  Why?

Losing to Pitt early twice didn't seem to affect Kentucky's rpi.  Why?

For some reason, OU was penalized for losing to some good teams on the road in tournaments.  We also beat a couple of good teams on the road in those tournaments.  But, those losses seemed to really limit OU, the defending national champion.  Why were others not having their rpi affected by losses to some weak teams---on their own home field?  This is what needs to be repaired about the rpi.  If you beat one good team and played really bad teams on your home field and won, the rpi seemed to hold you high.  Beat Prairie View A&M, A&M-Kingsville, Texas San Antonio and lose only to Houston---really, Houston?  Your rpi will be high.

When you start looking at the individual schedules, the fact that the SEC had losses to each other wasn't that impressive.  They had suffered some rather silly losses outside the conference for which they were never really punished.  Why not?



The preamble about non-OKC teams winning in OKC is odd. I can only imagine how those teams would have done playing in their hometowns against the Sooners. I do not understand what is being gotten at there.

So, onto the validity of the RPI....

Values below are from through the regular season and conference tournament (The time frame during which the selection RPI is determined). The Cliff's Notes skinny seems to be that Oklahoma was hurt by few games against Top 25s, and a whole lot of games against teams at 100 RPI or worse. Anyway, of the teams mentioned above, only Texas A&M and Utah were close to Oklahoma in the seeding.

UF? Gators were 19-5 vs. RPI Top 25. They were 10-5 against teams who made the Sweet 16 (for anyone trying to yap that somehow are puffed up by false respect for their conference competition). They were 6-3 against Top 25 teams outside the state of Florida. They played 10 games against teams outside the Top 100. That is a lot of juice and allows for a Maryland deduction to not cost them the top spot.

A&M? Aggies were 13-6 vs. RPI Top 25. They were 6-5 against teams who made the Sweet 16. Houston loss? Houston was 79, just outside a bonus position. No atrocity there. They played 13 games against teams outside the Top 100.

The Sooners? Oklahoma was 6-5 against the RPI top 25. They were 3-5 against teams that made the Sweet 16. They were 2-4 against Top 25 teams outside the state of Oklahoma. They played a massive 26 games against teams outside the Top 100, I am guessing that the OWP and OOWP of those 26 games was a restrictor plate on their engine as much if not more than the paucity of Top 25 tilts.

LSU, Utah and Kentucky all were behind Oklahoma. Anyway…

LSU? The bane of bluedog's existence was 9-16 against the RPI Top 25. Sixteen games against 100+ RPI.

Utah? The Utes were 9-7 vs. the Top 25, with five wins against the Top 5. They seeded 11. They had 12 games against teams worse that 100. Bad loss definitely worked into the mix there.

Kentucky? 8-13 against top 25. Pittsburgh is 61. No shameful losses there. Only 12 games against 100+. Them being four slots behind Oklahoma at selection seems in the ball park.

Now... for all the people bleating about the RPI being woefully inaccurate because a 10 seed won it all for the first time....

In the past 15 years, four of national champion men’s basketball champions were seeded 9 or worse. In men’s basketball, the four worse-than-8-seeds to win it all were:

2003: Syracuse as a 9+ overall seed (a 3 regional seed), won title in New Orleans, more than 1,300 miles away from Syracuse
2006: Florida as a 9+ overall seed (a 3 regional seed), won title in Indianapolis, more than 800 miles away from Gainesville
2011: Connecticut as a 9+ overall seed (a 3 regional seed), won title in Houston, more than 1,600 miles away from Storrs
2014: Connecticut as a 25+ overall seed (a 7 regional seed), won title in Arlington, Texas, more than 1,700 miles away from Storrs This year was the first time a 9 seed or worse won the softball title, and considering the hometown aspect of that anomaly being completed...

Certainly by that comparison to the NCAA's gold-standard event, RPI has been pretty top-notch in softball, despite a wart here or there.

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You seems to have inside information on Baylor. What pitchers do they have or coming in? Who of value that could've seriously helped, but is no longer in the program? Didn't see a lot of Baylor games, but I wouldn't say Rodoni had a control problem. McGlaun had some control issues which really could've been from immaturity at this level. I have no doubt she'll find her groove and begin to contribute.
Oklahoma picked up a transfer pitcher whom I'm sure would've seen more innings at any other BigXII team than what they'll see at OU.
Oklahoma St has gotten quite a bit better and I only see them continuing.

Baylor will have four pitchers on the roster next season. Returners Rodoni and McGlaun, freshman Lexi Koltz and transfer Regan Green (Miss. St). Out of Rodoni, Koltz and Green I really couldn't tell you who would be the ace of the staff. McGlaun did have some control issues throughout the season but was 6-2 on the season which is decent for a freshman. Rodoni was definitely a big contributor last season. She led the team in ERA. Remember she had the two no-hitters in regionals and also picked up the win in game 3 against Arizona. I think as of now, she may be in the lead to be the 1A next season but won't really be able to tell until the other two start with the program. Lexi Koltz was a great high school pitcher in South Dakota. She won 3 consecutive state championships and had over 600 strikeouts in her career. She's big, over 6 feet tall with a lot of power, and can hit for herself if needed. She can also play first base. Glenn Moore called her the best pitcher to ever come out of the state of South Dakota. I'm really excited to see what she brings to the program. I didn't follow Mississippi State enough to know much about Regan Green's time there but I do know she was an outstanding high school player out of Delaware. Maybe after some time with Coach Sneed Newman, she'll be ready to compete.

Baylor did lose a pitcher in Kendall Potts. I still haven't heard if she was transferring or retiring due to injury. She sat most of the season with a back injury and only pitched 5 innings. She's a big loss as she led the team in ERA two seasons ago as a sophomore.

Overall, BU still doesn't have the same star power that the Oklahoma pitchers do, but they might have just enough to compete with them in the Big 12. Britni Sneed Newman is a fantastic pitching coach, so I think once the new additions start working with her, they'll make some big improvements. The 2018 season will be an exciting one as Baylor's offense is going to look quite different with a lot more power in it. Can they bring it all together to knock OU of their throne? I sure hope so.
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The preamble about non-OKC teams winning in OKC is odd. I can only imagine how those teams would have done playing in their hometowns against the Sooners. I do not understand what is being gotten at there.

So, onto the validity of the RPI....

Values below are from through the regular season and conference tournament (The time frame during which the selection RPI is determined). The Cliff's Notes skinny seems to be that Oklahoma was hurt by few games against Top 25s, and a whole lot of games against teams at 100 RPI or worse. Anyway, of the teams mentioned above, only Texas A&M and Utah were close to Oklahoma in the seeding.

UF? Gators were 19-5 vs. RPI Top 25. They were 10-5 against teams who made the Sweet 16 (for anyone trying to yap that somehow are puffed up by false respect for their conference competition). They were 6-3 against Top 25 teams outside the state of Florida. They played 10 games against teams outside the Top 100. That is a lot of juice and allows for a Maryland deduction to not cost them the top spot.

A&M? Aggies were 13-6 vs. RPI Top 25. They were 6-5 against teams who made the Sweet 16. Houston loss? Houston was 79, just outside a bonus position. No atrocity there. They played 13 games against teams outside the Top 100.

The Sooners? Oklahoma was 6-5 against the RPI top 25. They were 3-5 against teams that made the Sweet 16. They were 2-4 against Top 25 teams outside the state of Oklahoma. They played a massive 26 games against teams outside the Top 100, I am guessing that the OWP and OOWP of those 26 games was a restrictor plate on their engine as much if not more than the paucity of Top 25 tilts.

LSU, Utah and Kentucky all were behind Oklahoma. Anyway…

LSU? The bane of bluedog's existence was 9-16 against the RPI Top 25. Sixteen games against 100+ RPI.

Utah? The Utes were 9-7 vs. the Top 25, with five wins against the Top 5. They seeded 11. They had 12 games against teams worse that 100. Bad loss definitely worked into the mix there.

Kentucky? 8-13 against top 25. Pittsburgh is 61. No shameful losses there. Only 12 games against 100+. Them being four slots behind Oklahoma at selection seems in the ball park.

Now... for all the people bleating about the RPI being woefully inaccurate because a 10 seed won it all for the first time....

In the past 15 years, four of national champion men’s basketball champions were seeded 9 or worse. In men’s basketball, the four worse-than-8-seeds to win it all were:

2003: Syracuse as a 9+ overall seed (a 3 regional seed), won title in New Orleans, more than 1,300 miles away from Syracuse
2006: Florida as a 9+ overall seed (a 3 regional seed), won title in Indianapolis, more than 800 miles away from Gainesville
2011: Connecticut as a 9+ overall seed (a 3 regional seed), won title in Houston, more than 1,600 miles away from Storrs
2014: Connecticut as a 25+ overall seed (a 7 regional seed), won title in Arlington, Texas, more than 1,700 miles away from Storrs This year was the first time a 9 seed or worse won the softball title, and considering the hometown aspect of that anomaly being completed...

Certainly by that comparison to the NCAA's gold-standard event, RPI has been pretty top-notch in softball, despite a wart here or there.

This doesn't cut it, nor does it explain how the SEC conference teams got their rpi in the first place.  Let's look at one example, A&M.  A&M was a pretty good team.  But, did they earn their rpi?  Let's look at their non-conference schedule.

At College Station
2-1 Lamar
8-5 Central Michigan
9-1 (5) Ohio State
3-2 Lamar
2-0 Sam Houston State

At College Station
8-0 (5) Stephen F. Austin
5-0 Missouri State
10-1 (5) New Mexico
8-2 Missouri State
8-7 Stephen F. Austin

Cathedral City, CA
5-0 Long Beach State
2-0 Florida State (their signature win)
2-1 (9) Arizona State
11-1 BYU
3-0 Michigan

At College Station
0-1 Houston (a home loss against a rather weak team)
12-0 (5) Texas San Antonio
7-1 Georgetown
8-0 (5) Georgetown
8-0 (5) Texas San Antonio

At Memphis
15-1 (5) Memphis State

At College Station
15-0 (5) Prairie View A&M
5-1 Texas State
10-3 McNeese State
9-2 Oklahoma State
9-1 (5) Oklahoma State
7-0 Oklahoma State
9-11 Louisiana-Lafayette

They really only had one really good win, over Florida State.  They had a couple of other good wins.  But, they played mostly pretty weak teams, and they only played six games on the road.  They piled up win after win in College Station against weak opposition.  In the SEC, they didn't even play Auburn, Alabama, or Florida.  Yet, somehow, they ended up with a #8 seed. 

Unfortunately, this is the type of schedule that the SEC tends to play---a lot of home games against soft teams.  Get a lot of easy wins.  Play one weekend on the road.  Basically, every team should end up with no more than two losses with this type of schedule.  As long as you are playing patsies at home, any loss should be magnified.  The SEC losses simply can't be ignored.  The entire conference is over-rated in the rpi, which makes all of their ratings gained by playing each other invalid.





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This doesn't cut it, nor does it explain how the SEC conference teams got their rpi in the first place.  Let's look at one example, A&M.  A&M was a pretty good team.  But, did they earn their rpi?  Let's look at their non-conference schedule.



Sorry, it was pretty well explained.

After the slop schedule with 26 100+s on it and a 3-5 against the super regional teams for the Sooners, you try showing me that the Aggies had a soft one?????

You think that what you posted is anywhere close to inferior?

Texas A&M had a winning record against teams who were proven good enough to make Supers and get a T9

That isn't made up. That's a fact.

Further, those rough conference games in the SEC and Pac don't allow for kids who are pushing through something to get any time off. Where Oklahoma, playing cupcake after cupcake, can be exactly as rested as the roster needs to be. Big advantage when 42 percent of the conference are rec teams.

I mean, TAMU trashed the third-best team -- clearly -- in the Big 12 25-3 in a 3-gamer.

Is what it is.

Gasso has done a great, great job
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Now, let's examine a schedule that prepares you for a national title.  Let's begin the year with the two primary hitters sidelined with knee and wrist surgery.  But, let's play some good competition on the road.

At Puerto Vallarta
2-3 Auburn---the rematch.  But, unlike the games of May, these didn't count for much. Lowary pitched.
7-1 BYU
6-0 Nebraska
0-1 Washington---good team, good pitcher

at Houston, Texas
14-0 (5) Incarnate Word
11-8 Ole Miss---didn't Ole Miss win the SEC tournament?
7-5 (8) Houston
2-1 (8) Houston---Houston did beat A&M in College Station

At Palm Springs, CA
2-1 Louisville
1-2 Tennessee ---not a bad team to lose to
7-5 North Carolina State
10-1 (5)  UCLA
4-5 Notre Dame---worst loss of the year---fourth one-run loss

At Wichita State
7-3 Wichita State

In Norman, OK
3-0 Northwestern State
13-3 (5) Evansville
9-0 (5) Western Kentucky
5-4 Evansville
2-1 Western Kentucky
1-0 (10) Tulsa

In Norman, OK
9-1 (5) Nebraska-Omaha (beat Utah in Utah)
8-0 (5) Nebraska-Omaha
16-1 (5) Illinois-Chicago
8-0 (6) Illinois-Chicago

At Long Beach, CA
3-4 Arizona---fifth one-run loss, (Auburn, Washington, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Arizona)
14-0 Long Beach State---Lopez pitched a no-hitter

At Loyola-Marymount, CA
8-1 Cal Santa Barbara
6-4 Loyola Marymount
1-3 Cal Poly (an All-American pitcher, think she was the #4 draft choice)
1-3 Cal Poly (same pitcher)
6-0 DePaul

At Norman, OK
5-3 Mississippi State

At Oklahoma City, OK
5-1 Louisiana Tech
5-2 UAB

At Norman, OK
10-0 (5) UAB
4-2 Arkansas
8-0 (6) North Texas

Four or five road games for A&M.  How about having 21 road  games, spread out over five weekends?  Seventeen games in Norman or OKC.  In other words, OU played more on the road than at home and played all of their tough games on the road, except that we probably shouldn't refer to Tulsa, Mississippi State, and Arkansas as pushovers, especially Tulsa.

OU plays that schedule to toughen up the players.  Well, we also do it for recruiting purposes.  The players from California are told that we will play in California.

Any SEC teams play that many good teams on the road---anywhere?








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Sorry, it was pretty well explained.

After the slop schedule with 26 100+s on it and a 3-5 against the super regional teams for the Sooners, you try showing me that the Aggies had a soft one?????

You think that what you posted is anywhere close to inferior?

Texas A&M had a winning record against teams who were proven good enough to make Supers and get a T9

That isn't made up. That's a fact.

Further, those rough conference games in the SEC and Pac don't allow for kids who are pushing through something to get any time off. Where Oklahoma, playing cupcake after cupcake, can be exactly as rested as the roster needs to be. Big advantage when 42 percent of the conference are rec teams.

I mean, TAMU trashed the third-best team -- clearly -- in the Big 12 25-3 in a 3-gamer.

Is what it is.

Gasso has done a great, great job
I'm sorry. But, A&M played a very weak non-conference schedule, as do most SEC teams.  Yes, that is a weak schedule---not deserving of a high ranking.

A&M beat OSU---in College Station.  Did they ever win outside of College Station, except for the ONE weekend at the Mary Nutter?  Then, they lost that by losing to Houston---at home.  Let's see, who did they play who might have gone to a Super-Regional that might have beaten them---like Auburn, Florida, or Alabama?  They played so few teams that were NCAA quality that were not in the SEC that they can't be compared favorable, and that is the point.

Don't tell me what how many games they played against the SEC.  Show me how the SEC got that high of an rpi in the first place. The top-rated team in the SEC lost at home to the last place team in the Big Ten?  All of the wins in Gainesville against the Northern Floridas simply doesn't excuse that loss.  Same with Houston and A&M.  I don't care how many wins you have against  Prairie View A&M, Texas San Antonio, or Stephen F. Austin.  You lost to Houston on your home field.

The rpi is invalid until it punishes teams for losses against weak teams.  Frankly, it should be invalid for allowing teams to play all of their non-conference games at home, or nearly all.  Go play ten to fifteen games in California.  Then, you can talk.

Right now, there is a reason that OU has more titles than the entire SEC, and OU is by no means the top of the heap in that regard.
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I think they should punish hard for not playing the good teams and for piling up on cupcakes.

Texas A&M played plenty of good teams and got big wins, and didn't play a pile of have nots.

And, coaches know that, make their bed and lie in it at the end of May and early June

I lined em up for you. NO ONE in the SEC I listed had anywhere close to the number of games against triple-digit RPIs

You play all those 26 have-nots, your RPI is going to get killed

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Yeah I think its time for everyone to quit feeding the troll. 


Why don't we take Soonereagle's advice and just ignore him
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Argument's definitely being fed. Agreed
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When the preseason rankings come out every year, there’s usually at least 8-10 SEC teams (sometimes more) that “earn” themselves a spot in the Top 25. Then those “Top 25” teams “go to work” and play the most pitifully weak nonconference schedules – almost exclusively on their home fields – of any Power 5 conference in the nation.

Then, not long after league play heats up, the first RPI list comes out and, sure enough, those “Top 25” SEC teams are all rewarded with dandy RPIs. And why shouldn’t they? They have, after all, been beating up on Top 25 teams, haven’t they?

By the time the final month of the season rolls around, teams whose jerseys are not adorned with SEC or Pac 12 logos may as well start booking their flights for the postseason. There’s not a snowball’s chance in Hades they’ll move up in the RPI or be rewarded with seeds that will keep them home for the playoffs.

And because they get more teams in the playoffs than any other league, several of those highly regarded SEC teams wind up in the world series. Of course, the majority of those great SEC teams often get exposed, since they are finally forced to play meaningful games against teams from outside their own conference.

But, never mind, the SEC worship continues. If it was possible, ESPN would devise a way to somehow get three SEC teams into next year’s WCWS finals. Yes, they’re that good!!!
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When the preseason rankings come out every year, there’s usually at least 8-10 SEC teams (sometimes more) that “earn” themselves a spot in the Top 25. Then those “Top 25” teams “go to work” and play the most pitifully weak nonconference schedules – almost exclusively on their home fields – of any Power 5 conference in the nation.

Then, not long after league play heats up, the first RPI list comes out and, sure enough, those “Top 25” SEC teams are all rewarded with dandy RPIs. And why shouldn’t they? They have, after all, been beating up on Top 25 teams, haven’t they?

By the time the final month of the season rolls around, teams whose jerseys are not adorned with SEC or Pac 12 logos may as well start booking their flights for the postseason. There’s not a snowball’s chance in Hades they’ll move up in the RPI or be rewarded with seeds that will keep them home for the playoffs.

And because they get more teams in the playoffs than any other league, several of those highly regarded SEC teams wind up in the world series. Of course, the majority of those great SEC teams often get exposed, since they are finally forced to play meaningful games against teams from outside their own conference.

But, never mind, the SEC worship continues. If it was possible, ESPN would devise a way to somehow get three SEC teams into next year’s WCWS finals. Yes, they’re that good!!!


RPI has absolutely zilch to do with any poll

Someone unradioactive please straighten out this young one
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I think they should punish hard for not playing the good teams and for piling up on cupcakes.

Texas A&M played plenty of good teams and got big wins, and didn't play a pile of have nots.

And, coaches know that, make their bed and lie in it at the end of May and early June

I lined em up for you. NO ONE in the SEC I listed had anywhere close to the number of games against triple-digit RPIs

You play all those 26 have-nots, your RPI is going to get killed

Did you even look at the A&M schedule?

Fact:  A&M played 6 (six) road games in the non-conference season (OU played that many almost every weekend.).  They played 22 home games.

Those home games weren't against powerhouses. 
Prairie View A&M
Georgetown
Sam Houston State
Lamar
Missouri State
Texas San Antonio
Houston---oh, yes, the powerhouse that beat them.

Aren't you the guy who thinks OU has too much of an advantage since the CWS is in OKC?  But, you think it is just fine for the SEC teams to build their rpi with all home games against the Prairie View A&M types?

That is your case?  It's OK to stay at home and build your resume on wins over nobody?  ---as long as it's not OU in the CWS in OKC?
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Listen, I totally GET you wanting to ignore Big 12 conference games vs. SEC conference games.

Aggies pre-selection were 6-5 vs. teams that ended up in Supers. Oklahoma was 3-5.

And Oklahoma beat UCLA, Ole Miss and BYU away from Norman. And Texas A&M beat FSU, Michigan and BYU away from College Station. And, then, the balance in the two sheets goes off the rails.

Headed by TAMU abusing a top-half Big 12 team.... just abused them in a three-game set

And, again... TWENTY SIX games against teams below 100 for OU

You have no answers for that.

Stay with the only bit (and most important bit) of accuracy that you have. Sooners went 5-0 in OKC and won it all.

And stop protracting this rout otherwise
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Listen, I totally GET you wanting to ignore Big 12 conference games vs. SEC conference games.

Aggies pre-selection were 6-5 vs. teams that ended up in Supers. Oklahoma was 3-5.

But TAMU abused a top-half Big 12 team.... just abused them in a three-game set

And, again... TWENTY SIX games against teams below 100 for OU

You have no answers for that.

Stay with the only bit (and most important bit) of accuracy that you have. Sooners went 5-0 in OKC and won it all.

And stop protracting this rout otherwise
No.  I'm making a firm point.  I have no respect for the rpi that thinks that the SEC deserves those rpis in the first place.  This is what needs to be addressed.  The committee has already expressed concern about the road/home aspects of the rpi.

You want to pick on one weekend with OSU and A&M. 

2 UCLA
4 Washington
5 Arizona
7 Auburn
19 Ole Miss
21 BYU
25 Tulsa
33 Mississippi State
35 Arkansas
39 Notre Dame
58 Cal Poly
58 Cal Poly
60 Louisville
71 Long Beach State
75 Louisiana Tech
78 Wichita State
79 Houston
79 Houston
91 Nebraska
100 North Texas
101 Western Kentucky
101 Western Kentucky
113 NC State
119 Illinois-Chicago
119 Illinois-Chicago
146 UAB
146 UAB
166 Northwestern
196 Nebraska-Omaha
196 Nebraska-Omaha
246 Incarnate Word

8 Florida State
17 Louisiana-Lafayette
20 Michigan
21 BYU
26 Arizona State
28 Oklahoma State
28 Oklahoma State
28 Oklahoma State
29 Texas State
36 Ohio State
43 McNeese State
71 Long Beach State
79 Houston
96 Memphis State
102 Lamar
102 Lamar
151 Missouri State
161 Texas San Antonio
161 Texas San Antonio
168 New Mexico
182 Sam Houston State
240 Georgetown
240 Georgetown
192 Stephen F. Austin
192 Stephen F. Austin
274 Texas Southern
280 Prairie View A&M

Which is which?  One is mostly at home.  The other is mostly on the road.
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Like our Minnesota fans, in an argument about RPI's ratings at selection, Texas A&M playing 10 more home games is the only aspect of this in Oklahoma's favor.

Aggies with pronouncedly better schedule
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Like our Minnesota fans, in an argument about RPI's ratings at selection, Texas A&M playing 10 more home games is the only aspect of this in Oklahoma's favor.

Aggies with pronouncedly better schedule
Absolutely not.  The only way that A&M's schedule is even in the same ball park is if you include the conference season---which is exactly my point.  The A&M non-conference schedule is a joke in comparison.  A&M played 13 games against teams rated over 100, at home.  OU only played 11, some of which were on the road.  A&M had the worst loss, #79, and it was at home.  OU played four of the top seven in the final rpi---all on the road.  A&M got one.  A&M had 21 games at home in non-conference play!!!!  How could they lose?

The one thing that the NCAAs exposed was that Baylor and OU were underrated, both making the CWS by winning on the road.  A&M didn't play Auburn at all this year.  OU played them three times, all on the road, twice on their home field.  A&M didn't play Florida.  OU did twice.  A&M lasted how long in the CWS?
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Absolutely not.  The only way that A&M's schedule is even in the same ball park is if you include the conference season---which is exactly my point.  The A&M non-conference schedule is a joke in comparison.  A&M played 13 games against teams rated over 100, at home.  OU only played 11...

TWENTY-freaking-SIX, not 11. That is your translation problem.

I wrote it three times.... and you never thought to check?
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TWENTY-freaking-SIX, not 11. That is your translation problem.

I wrote it three times.... and you never thought to check?
You keep trying to throw conference in here.  I am addressing the non-conference.  Got it?

Let's make the disparity even more dramatic.  OU played 38 non-conference games, 21 on the road.  A&M played 28 non-conference games, only six of which were on the road.

Now, you keep bringing up this nonsense about 100+ opponents.  Of A&M's non-conference opponents, 13 are against 100+ teams.  Of OU's 38 non-conference games, 11 were 100+. 

Let's clarify that: 

A&M played more 100+ non-conference teams than did OU. 
A&M played most of their schedule at home, whereas OU played most of theirs on the road.
The worst loss suffered by either team was #79, by A&M----AT HOME.

Now, explain how the SEC got its high ratings.  This is not an unusual pattern.  Most SEC teams play their non-conference games at home.  They play patsies, and they win.  Somehow, this nonsense correlates into higher rpis----before conference season begins.

Absolutely not!
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LOL... I'll let your hand be the five best out-of-conference wins by Texas Tech, Kansas and Iowa State

I'll put up the five best out-of-conference wins by Mississippi State, Arkansas and Missouri

That will provide an idea of how good the conference competition is ... you can't just ignore those games... really, it's idiotic

Kansas best 5 OOC wins
91(Nebraska),95(Nevada),95(Nevada),102(Lamar),109(E.Illinois)=98 RPI average (0-1 vs. SEC)

Texas Tech
47(Fullerton),48(Fresno),77(FGCU),78(Wichita State),100(N. Texas)=70 RPI average (0-3 vs. SEC)

Iowa State
63(UCF),67(Utah State),74(UNI),77(FGCU),105(S.Miss)=77 RPI average (0-0 vs. SEC)

That is an average of 81 RPI for the best five wins for the three worst teams in the Big 12

Mississippi State
48(Fresno),59(Georgia State),75(La. Tech),77(FGCU),84(N. Florida)=69 RPI average (1-1 vs. Big 12)

Arkansas
25(Tulsa),28(Oklahoma),39(Notre Dame),69(CSUN),91(Nebraska)=51 RPI average (1-2 vs. Big 12)

Missouri
4(Washington),15(JMU),27(Illinois),38(USCUpstate),39(Notre Dame)=25 RPI average (0-1 vs. Big 12)

That is an average RPI of 49 for the five best wins for the three worst SEC teams Texas A&M played


An utter beatdown comparatively

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Yeah nobody is taking my advice on troll feeding. You guys are going through a lot of work to prove something to someone that don't really matter. Basically you can tell him the grass is green and he's going to argue about what it looks like when it doesn't get enough water. OU has won 3 out of the last 5 championships. They are going to come in as the team to beat next year. RPI talk is a little meaningless now. Why are we comparing RPI against A&M? They were by far the worst team in OKC. OU and Florida where the class in the end. Anybody that watched it and isn't biased knows that. 

The Big 12 has been down. OU takes long road trips to Arizona, California and tries to schedule are hard as they can to make up for that fact. Personally I hope OU being a 10 seed and winning(and looking like the best team) makes them look at the seeding. RPI should be in the consideration but not the end all be all. The thing I keep saying if your just going to use the RPI seedings why have a committee? Just cut out the middle man and seed by RPI. What needs to happen is they need committee members to get off their butt, watch games, and do a little work to try to seed the teams fairly. Minnesota is really the team that got hosed.  I really think if they would have hosted a regional they had a legitimate shot at going to the world series. I do think the Big 12 is on an upswing. Baylor will be good with all their transfers coming in. OSU is pulling in Hot 100 recruits. Their new coach is the real deal. I think Texas is recruiting a little bit better. They have a recruit, pitcher called Chloe Romero that is the real deal. I often wonder why TCU doesn't have a softball team. Their in a hot recruiting area. Seems like they could be competitive if they'd get a team going. But I do believe the top 4 teams this next season are going to be as solid as they have been in awhile.

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LOL... I'll let your hand be the five best out-of-conference wins by Texas Tech, Kansas and Iowa State

I'll put up the five best out-of-conference wins by Mississippi State, Arkansas and Missouri

That will provide an idea of how good the conference competition is ... you can't just ignore those games... really, it's idiotic

Kansas best 5 OOC wins
91(Nebraska),95(Nevada),95(Nevada),102(Lamar),109(E.Illinois)=98 RPI average (0-1 vs. SEC)

Texas Tech
47(Fullerton),48(Fresno),77(FGCU),78(Wichita State),100(N. Texas)=70 RPI average (0-3 vs. SEC)

Iowa State
63(UCF),67(Utah State),74(UNI),77(FGCU),105(S.Miss)=77 RPI average (0-0 vs. SEC)

That is an average of 81 RPI for the best five wins for the three worst teams in the Big 12

Mississippi State
48(Fresno),59(Georgia State),75(La. Tech),77(FGCU),84(N. Florida)=69 RPI average (1-1 vs. Big 12)

Arkansas
25(Tulsa),28(Oklahoma),39(Notre Dame),69(CSUN),91(Nebraska)=51 RPI average (1-2 vs. Big 12)

Missouri
4(Washington),15(JMU),27(Illinois),38(USCUpstate),39(Notre Dame)=25 RPI average (0-1 vs. Big 12)

That is an average RPI of 49 for the five best wins for the three worst SEC teams Texas A&M played


An utter beatdown comparatively

You can't make those comparisons because you have no foundation.

Fact:

A&M played 78.57% of its non-conference games in College Station
A&M played 46.23% of its non-conference games against 100+ teams.

How can you even make any case when you have such a disparity?  Play inferior teams and play at home.  This is a pattern of the SEC in several sports.  Now, if you have a conference full of teams that played three-fourths of its non-conference schedule at home against weak  competition, how do you use that to claim that there is a mandate for a highly-rated conference, rpi-wise?

The rpi needs to be corrected to eliminate the nonsense of all home games and all against weak teams.  At one time, it looked like Texas Tech was good---because they hadn't played anyone.  I won't buy your whole rpi until you play legitimate schedules against respectable opposition.
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Yeah nobody is taking my advice on troll feeding. You guys are going through a lot of work to prove something to someone that don't really matter. Basically you can tell him the grass is green and he's going to argue about what it looks like when it doesn't get enough water. OU has won 3 out of the last 5 championships. They are going to come in as the team to beat next year. RPI talk is a little meaningless now. Why are we comparing RPI against A&M? They were by far the worst team in OKC. OU and Florida where the class in the end. Anybody that watched it and isn't biased knows that. 

The Big 12 has been down. OU takes long road trips to Arizona, California and tries to schedule are hard as they can to make up for that fact. Personally I hope OU being a 10 seed and winning(and looking like the best team) makes them look at the seeding. RPI should be in the consideration but not the end all be all. The thing I keep saying if your just going to use the RPI seedings why have a committee? Just cut out the middle man and seed by RPI. What needs to happen is they need committee members to get off their butt, watch games, and do a little work to try to seed the teams fairly. Minnesota is really the team that got hosed.  I really think if they would have hosted a regional they had a legitimate shot at going to the world series. I do think the Big 12 is on an upswing. Baylor will be good with all their transfers coming in. OSU is pulling in Hot 100 recruits. Their new coach is the real deal. I think Texas is recruiting a little bit better. They have a recruit, pitcher called Chloe Romero that is the real deal. I often wonder why TCU doesn't have a softball team. Their in a hot recruiting area. Seems like they could be competitive if they'd get a team going. But I do believe the top 4 teams this next season are going to be as solid as they have been in awhile.
TCU and Kansas State do equestrian instead.  TCU is only about a mile away from the Quarterhorse shows at Will Rogers, and the American Paint Horse and American Quarterhorse Associations are right there in DFW.

The area is just beginning, well a bit more than that, to develop as a softball area.  The top pitchers that OU has had from the Metroplex weren't all that great.  Cal is a much better source.  Even Texas has a lot of California girls as a rule.  But, the club teams are now beginning to be pretty good, probably not quite at California level.
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This is true, But Texas club teams are getting good. Just seen some of the flosofball people pick the Diamond Hotshots to win the 12U PGF. Texas Glory and Texas Bombers just name a couple are very competitive in tournaments. OU finally getting some Texas players also. Patty said the area used to be hard to recruit. We have Nicole Mendes with Brooke Vestal and Jayda Coleman both #1 ranked recruits coming in. I think the area is going to become a pretty good hotbed in the next several years. I don't think any place is going to surpass California but with Texas population I can see it becoming a fertile recruiting ground. 
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You can't make those comparisons because you have no foundation.

Fact:

A&M played 78.57% of its non-conference games in College Station
A&M played 46.23% of its non-conference games against 100+ teams.

How can you even make any case when you have such a disparity?  Play inferior teams and play at home.  This is a pattern of the SEC in several sports.  Now, if you have a conference full of teams that played three-fourths of its non-conference schedule at home against weak  competition, how do you use that to claim that there is a mandate for a highly-rated conference, rpi-wise?

The rpi needs to be corrected to eliminate the nonsense of all home games and all against weak teams.  At one time, it looked like Texas Tech was good---because they hadn't played anyone.  I won't buy your whole rpi until you play legitimate schedules against respectable opposition.
No one in the top 12 in the final RPI had as many as Oklahoma's 26 100+ RPI opponents.

The awfulness of the Big 12 teams that fall into that category are detailed above.

The SEC wasn't magically GIVEN good RPI. As detailed above, the level of competition that the very worst three teams (only 23 percent of the conference) of the SEC has beaten dwarfs the demonstrated-on-the-field capability of the bottom three of the Big 12 (making up 43 percent of that conference's teams). Argue the facts.

The next five teams with at least 26 games against teams ranked worse than 100 in the RPI
13. Minnesota, 29 games
15. James Madison, 26
17. Louisiana, 31
21. BYU, 31
29. Texas State, 27

 

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