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sball11

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Thoughts on the Big 12 this upcoming year? How do you think the teams will rank? Oklahoma still at the top?

Another good year for Baylor? What about Texas? Texas Tech? Kansas? Oklahoma State? Iowa State? 


Whatcha think??
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Oklahoma is just too big of a program for anyone to knock them down lots of experience with players that have recently played and won a NCAA title
Oklahoma state is on the rise and I have faith in coach G but they lost a lot to graduation and one of their top pitchers
Baylor could pose a challenge for Oklahoma especially them transferring in carlee Wallace I think she'll give Baylor power in their line up
As far as the other programs I haven't followed them to make a good judgement call

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Baylor will definitely have more power throughout their lineup. With freshman Hannah Thompson and Carlee Wallace coming in, combined with the heavy hitters in McGlaun and Friudenberg, this team won't solely be relying on small ball to score runs anymore. The area that will probably keep Baylor from knocking off Oklahoma is strength of pitching. While Gia Rodoni is certainly a very good pitcher, I'm still not sure that she will be able to lead this team. Hopefully she uses this offseason to work a little more on control.

Oklahoma definitely has Baylor beat out in the pitching category as they are absolutely stacked. Pitching and defense will take you a long way and they certainly have it in their roster. Offense wins games, but defense wins championships so I expect Oklahoma to take the title again with Baylor behind them in second.
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OU is still the team to beat in the Big 12.

The Sooners, as you know, have won the last two WCWS titles (and three of the last five). They did it basically with freshmen and sophomores in 2016 and with mostly sophomores and juniors in 2017. Next season, nearly all those players will be back as juniors and seniors, so OU may be fielding its most potent team since the Sooners won the 2013 title with the likes of Chamberlain, Ricketts and Pendley.

OU's best all-around player (pitchers not included) the last half of last season was a freshman. Nicole Mendes, the right fielder, would likely be a starting pitcher on half the D1 teams in the country. The Sooners pitching staff includes Mariah Lopez, a righty who last year as a freshman, went 18-1. And, of course, the two ace lefties – Paige Parker and Paige Lowary – will return for their senior seasons.

The Sooners are adding another outstanding recruiting class. The one freshman that appears almost certain to break into the starting lineup (OU lost just one starter to graduation) is Jo Alo of Hawaii, one of the most feared hitters coming out of high school this year. A couple other newbies may contribute, but I doubt they can crack the starting lineup.

Glen Mason and Baylor are making great strides, with Carlee Wallace and a few other quality transfers set to join a team that was ranked in the Top 10 last season. If any team has a chance to knock the Sooners off their perch atop the Big 12, it would have to be the Bears. OSU is also a team on the rise (just like the Cowboys football team, lol). The coach there is an OU grad and he's recruiting very well.

Who knows whether Texas will come out of the funk it's been in the last few seasons. Connie Clark has not recruited well for a few years now, and if she's not already there, will soon be on the hot seat. The whorns are losing with regularity to OU and Baylor, and as of late to OSU and even Iowa State, a team that is showing improvement under its new coach.

That leaves only Kansas and Texas Tech, the sixth and seventh worst teams (in that order) in the conference. Kansas has upgraded its facilities in the last couple of years, and is recruiting a little better as a result. Still, neither of those teams are expected to be significantly better in 2018. The Jayhawks would not finish dead last in the Pac 12 or the SEC, however, but the Red Raiders just might.
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OU is still the team to beat in the Big 12.

The Sooners, as you know, have won the last two WCWS titles (and three of the last five). They did it basically with freshmen and sophomores in 2016 and with mostly sophomores and juniors in 2017. Next season, nearly all those players will be back as juniors and seniors, so OU may be fielding its most potent team since the Sooners won the 2013 title with the likes of Chamberlain, Ricketts and Pendley.

OU's best all-around player (pitchers not included) the last half of last season was a freshman. Nicole Mendes, the right fielder, would likely be a starting pitcher on half the D1 teams in the country. The Sooners pitching staff includes Mariah Lopez, a righty who last year as a freshman, went 18-1. And, of course, the two ace lefties – Paige Parker and Paige Lowary – will return for their senior seasons.

The Sooners are adding another outstanding recruiting class. The one freshman that appears almost certain to break into the starting lineup (OU lost just one starter to graduation) is Jo Alo of Hawaii, one of the most feared hitters coming out of high school this year. A couple other newbies may contribute, but I doubt they can crack the starting lineup.

Glen Mason and Baylor are making great strides, with Carlee Wallace and a few other quality transfers set to join a team that was ranked in the Top 10 last season. If any team has a chance to knock the Sooners off their perch atop the Big 12, it would have to be the Bears. OSU is also a team on the rise (just like the Cowboys football team, lol). The coach there is an OU grad and he's recruiting very well.

Who knows whether Texas will come out of the funk it's been in the last few seasons. Connie Clark has not recruited well for a few years now, and if she's not already there, will soon be on the hot seat. The whorns are losing with regularity to OU and Baylor, and as of late to OSU and even Iowa State, a team that is showing improvement under its new coach.

That leaves only Kansas and Texas Tech, the sixth and seventh worst teams (in that order) in the conference. Kansas has upgraded its facilities in the last couple of years, and is recruiting a little better as a result. Still, neither of those teams are expected to be significantly better in 2018. The Jayhawks would not finish dead last in the Pac 12 or the SEC, however, but the Red Raiders just might.


Is Baylor going with the dreaded high school hiring practice of bringing in an old football coach to coach softball? Glen Mason was a football coach at KU and Minnesota. ;-).

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Is Baylor going with the dreaded high school hiring practice of bringing in an old football coach to coach softball? Glen Mason was a football coach at KU and Minnesota. ;-).


oh wow. I knew I had heard of Mason before. And that was when he was at KU. just down the road from where I grew up. Aren't there other coaches who came from other sports, other than baseball?


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Is Baylor going with the dreaded high school hiring practice of bringing in an old football coach to coach softball? Glen Mason was a football coach at KU and Minnesota. ;-).


Lol!!!  I meant Moore, of course. At my age, the rate that brain cells die increases with each passing day.
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Lol!!!  I meant Moore, of course. At my age, the rate that brain cells die increases with each passing day.


Mason, Moore.. what's the difference lol
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Baylor is definitely going to need to find another arm. Maybe one is transferring in? But Rodoni, McGlaun and the freshman probably aren't going to be enough. Wallace will be a huge addition, and if the rumor on the LSU freshman is true, that could fill the hole at 2nd. They need Jarvis to finally get on the field after injuries the last two years, as she is supposed to be pretty impactful.

They may give Oklahoma a scare, but OU returns 9 of their 10 starters and their entire pitching staff. That is flat out scary. Oklahoma isn't just the favorite in the Big 12, they are the national favorite.
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Baylor is definitely going to need to find another arm. Maybe one is transferring in? But Rodoni, McGlaun and the freshman probably aren't going to be enough. Wallace will be a huge addition, and if the rumor on the LSU freshman is true, that could fill the hole at 2nd. They need Jarvis to finally get on the field after injuries the last two years, as she is supposed to be pretty impactful.

They may give Oklahoma a scare, but OU returns 9 of their 10 starters and their entire pitching staff. That is flat out scary. Oklahoma isn't just the favorite in the Big 12, they are the national favorite.


I agree, of course, but I didn't want to be too complimentary of the Sooners. Every time time I mention how good the Sooners are, lefty posts that I'm a "bad winner." [biggrin]
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They are by far the class of that conference. That said, the games are in Waco this year

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Yeah, the last time the OU-BU series was played in Waco (2016), the Sooners swept Baylor, 3-0.
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Yeah, the last time the OU-BU series was played in Waco (2016), the Sooners swept Baylor, 3-0.
Baylor was a much better team last year than in 2016.... But they are poised to take a step backward without two pitchers
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Yeah, the last time the OU-BU series was played in Waco (2016), the Sooners swept Baylor, 3-0.

We definitely played them a lot tighter this past season in Norman.

I'm really hoping that Lexi Koltz, the incoming freshman pitcher, will make an impact. She was pretty dominant in South Dakota high school ball and hopefully she can carry that into college. She also hit well in high school so maybe she'll bring some power to the lineup. She's a big girl, over six feet and definitely has some power behind her. Britni Newman is certainly an outstanding pitching coach so hopefully she can make Lexi into a star.
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Lol!!!  I meant Moore, of course. At my age, the rate that brain cells die increases with each passing day.


May want to do a little research or even google.

Tim Walton- played baseball, Philadelphia Phillies
Mike Candrea- baseball
Glenn Moore- played baseball. Played football Northwestern St, but also PITCHED for The King and His Court, a 4-man fastpitch team.
Patrick Murphy- only played HS baseball. Coached little league. Moonlighted as HS baseball coach.

I'm sure there are others.
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May want to do a little research or even google.

Tim Walton- played baseball, Philadelphia Phillies
Mike Candrea- baseball
Glenn Moore- played baseball. Played football Northwestern St, but also PITCHED for The King and His Court, a 4-man fastpitch team.
Patrick Murphy- only played HS baseball. Coached little league. Moonlighted as HS baseball coach.

I'm sure there are others.



I'm not sure anyone questioned this.

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Baylor will definitely have more power throughout their lineup. With freshman Hannah Thompson and Carlee Wallace coming in, combined with the heavy hitters in McGlaun and Friudenberg, this team won't solely be relying on small ball to score runs anymore. The area that will probably keep Baylor from knocking off Oklahoma is strength of pitching. While Gia Rodoni is certainly a very good pitcher, I'm still not sure that she will be able to lead this team. Hopefully she uses this offseason to work a little more on control.

Oklahoma definitely has Baylor beat out in the pitching category as they are absolutely stacked. Pitching and defense will take you a long way and they certainly have it in their roster. Offense wins games, but defense wins championships so I expect Oklahoma to take the title again with Baylor behind them in second.


OU's pitching is DEEP! Will be interesting to see how many innings of work the others get behind the Paige's. They (Paige's) work well as a "staff" and team isn't solely dependent upon one arm. Always fierce with the bats.
OSU has definitely stepped up their game. They'll be tough and hungry.
UT has the tools, but something's lacking.
BU has picked up / brought in some players. Lost Selman, but have Rodoni & McGlaun returning. Rumor is a transfer pitcher is coming in. Heard Moore talk most of the year about a pitching staff and not riding one arm. Which is what was seen.
Iowa St is picking up quality players and is looking stronger.
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"UT has the tools, but something's lacking."

UT has never had the tools.
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"UT has the tools, but something's lacking."

UT has never had the tools.

Yes...tools. They have some solid players. Appears there's a lack of motivation or encouragement. They need to pick up a couple solid pitchers.
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May want to do a little research or even google. Tim Walton- played baseball, Philadelphia Phillies Mike Candrea- baseball Glenn Moore- played baseball. Played football Northwestern St, but also PITCHED for The King and His Court, a 4-man fastpitch team. Patrick Murphy- only played HS baseball. Coached little league. Moonlighted as HS baseball coach. I'm sure there are others.
Walton is a baseball guy.

But, to be clear, one year of Single-A is not the "Philadelphia Phillies"
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Yes...tools. They have some solid players. Appears there's a lack of motivation or encouragement. They need to pick up a couple solid pitchers.
They absolutely have not had the talent.

I was going to say they DID, until I realized this was a Big 12 thread and you were not talking about Tennessee
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They absolutely have not had the talent.

I was going to say they DID, until I realized this was a Big 12 thread and you were not talking about Tennessee


The CC conundrum still confounds me after all these years.[smile]
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<< That said, the games are in Waco this year >> (3LT)

I think you meant "next year - 2018"... rather than "this year - 2017". 

However... you are forgetting that Oklahoma was better at their opponents home field - than any where else in 2017.
They did not lose a single game on their opponent's home field this year.
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Yes, when you play absolute schlock in your conference except for one good team, who you play at home, you are going to do well on the road.

Oklahoma played 18 games on the road.

The average RPI in those games was 79

Keep bringing the comedy and splitting hairs while whiffing on the big stuff


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Here is an interesting stat that I doubt anyone here would have known... 
Paige Parker currently has the sixth best career OBP in the history of the Oklahoma softball program - as a hitter.
Her career .486 OBP is the 6th best is the team's history (minimum of 200 AB).

She was an awesome hitter in her freshman season... 
with a .394 BA, .514 OBP, .628 Slg%, and a 1.142 OPS. 
She had 5 doubles and 9 HR in 58 games (137 AB) as a freshman while driving in 43 runs.

Her hitting fell off since that rookie season (.286, .459, .393 in 2016) & (.257, .395, .286 in 2017)
and they have had someone else batting for her most of the time in the last two seasons.
She had just 28 AB in 2016 - and 35 in 2017. And she has had just 1 EBH in each of the last 2 seasons.

But that tremendous .514 OBP from her 2015 season added to her .459 OBP in 2016 and .395 in 2017 
leave her with the 6th best career OBP in team history. 

Now batting lead off... Paige Parker.

; )
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<< Yes, when you play absolute schlock in your conference except for one good team, who you play at home, you are going to do well on the road. >> (3LT)

Hmmmmmmmm.....

I seem to remember that Oklahoma went 2-0 vs. a great SEC team in the super regional... 
at Auburn (and outscored them 9-2).

I guess that makes their undefeated record against opponents that were playing on their own home field... 
just a little bit better than pure schlock. 
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Btw... Oklahoma has currently won 28 consecutive games on the road (vs. teams playing at their home field).
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<< while whiffing on the big stuff >> (3LT)

And what exactly is this supposed to mean..???
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Yeah, until OU can go on the road and beat some of those powerhouse SEC teams, the Sooners will keep on being just another overrated team whose reputation is built on beating up on the Sisters of the Poor schools.

Wait. What???
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<< Yes, when you play absolute schlock in your conference except for one good team, who you play at home, you are going to do well on the road. >> (3LT)

Hmmmmmmmm.....

I seem to remember that Oklahoma went 2-0 vs. a great SEC team in the super regional... 
at Auburn (and outscored them 9-2).

I guess that makes their undefeated record against opponents that were playing on their own home field... 
just a little bit better than pure schlock. 
Auburn utterly puffed up... woulda been nuked by Cal if the anti-Pac umping had been corrected by review.

I'll stick with pure schlock

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