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3leftturns

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At no point have you added anything to the discussion that wasn't known.  You want to isolate your facts to top fifty teams or false claims about OU's record against 100+ teams.  Did you actually even look that up?

Confine yourself to the topic at hand: 

---is it legitimate to ignore home/road in the rpi?
---is it legitimate to schedule half of your games---at home against 100+ teams?

I would like to see 1.1x for a road win and 0.9x for a home win, for sure.

But, it doesn't matter where anyone -- at least among teams who hope to host a regional -- plays a team with an RPI 100+ rating.

I might give a host team a one-tournament-as-host exemption to the home-win discounting.
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OK.  At least we can agree on some action on road/home.

You do realize that Florida lost in Gainesville to the #180 team?  Gourley allowed four runs.
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Can we agree stop talking about TAMU in any BIG12 threads since ya know they're a part of the SEC. Also, why does Baylor need a pitching transfer? I was expecting them to develop Langkamp into something special
A&M is being used to illustrate the rpi problems of the Big Twelve, problems that had Baylor and OU opening on the road in Supers.
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OK.  At least we can agree on some action on road/home.

You do realize that Florida lost in Gainesville to the #180 team?  Gourley allowed four runs.


Shhh……You know you're not supposed to mention that.
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<< At no point have you added anything to the discussion that wasn't known.  You want to isolate your facts to top fifty teams or false claims about OU's record against 100+ teams.  Did you actually even look that up?

Confine yourself to the topic at hand:  

---is it legitimate to ignore home/road in the rpi?
---is it legitimate to schedule half of your games---at home against 100+ teams? >> (LandLottery)

I believe LL has legitimate points.
Unfortunately the two people that have been deeply involved in the discussion... 
just cannot seem to focus their attention on the gist of the other person's argument.

3LT - all the points you are making may be fine... 
but you still are not addressing LL's arguments that are focused on a particular part of the RPI formula (which he sees as needing to be fixed - or adjusted).

I tend to agree with him.

Edit: Ooops, I posted this before I saw your posts #121 and #122..
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OK.  At least we can agree on some action on road/home.

You do realize that Florida lost in Gainesville to the #180 team?  Gourley allowed four runs.
Exactly.... doesn't matter if it is at home or away, no excuse to lose to that sort of team ever.

That is why that loss got UF an additional deduction in the RPI
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<< At no point have you added anything to the discussion that wasn't known.  You want to isolate your facts to top fifty teams or false claims about OU's record against 100+ teams.  Did you actually even look that up?

Confine yourself to the topic at hand:  

---is it legitimate to ignore home/road in the rpi?
---is it legitimate to schedule half of your games---at home against 100+ teams? >> (LandLottery)

I believe LL has legitimate points.
Unfortunately the two people that have been deeply involved in the discussion... 
just cannot seem to focus their attention on the gist of the other person's argument.

3LT - all the points you are making may be fine... 
but you still are not addressing LL's arguments that are focused on a particular part of the RPI formula (which he sees as needing to be fixed - or adjusted).

I tend to agree with him.

Edit: Ooops, I posted this before I saw your posts #121 and #122..

Yes, I gave baby his pacifier... but still crickets from him about every bit of empirical evidence showing that Texas A&M had a superior performance and tougher schedule until selection day this year
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I  have this strange tendency resulting from fifty years in science in that when I state that the topic to be discussed is a specific subject, I will insist upon the discussion being restricted to that specificity.  I stated the parameters of my discussion.  I refused to address all others or any information not within the confines of those parameters.  Logically, that would suggest that while I am investigating the mitochondrial nucleic acid contents of a rat that we refrain from discussions of the plate tectonics that resulted in the volcano in St Helens.  They don't fit, although I am reasonably certain that rats were running from the eruption.
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Hope the micro parameters you employ in your day job are more germane to the macro than this whackiness was

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Landfill - this is not the AAAS website. Your 50 years of science has obviously left you with a borderline personality disorder. When your argument is not going well, insult the other person. Nobody cares about rats, volcanos and especially mitochondrial nucleic acid. This a remedial softball forum for God's sake.
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Nice job sucking me into this one, Hammer.

LOL

I owe you one

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A&M is being used to illustrate the rpi problems of the Big Twelve, problems that had Baylor and OU opening on the road in Supers.

the seeding obviously didn't matter for OU and Baylor made it the WCWS regardless of their "ranking" so i don't see the point in debating it since it clearly has no effect on team play. Everyone knew OU was underrated as a 10 seed but Baylor was never going to crack the top 8 so I don't see how this arguemenf can be going.

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A&M is being used to illustrate the rpi problems of the Big Twelve, problems that had Baylor and OU opening on the road in Supers.
A&M "opened" on the road in Supers, too.
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A&M "opened" on the road in Supers, too.

I just feel like this year was proof enough that seeding doesn't really matter that much and it's truly about who comes to play. OU, Bay, and TAMU all reached the WCWS as < 8 seeds

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Baylor was a legit shocker.
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the seeding obviously didn't matter for OU and Baylor made it the WCWS regardless of their "ranking" so i don't see the point in debating it since it clearly has no effect on team play. Everyone knew OU was underrated as a 10 seed but Baylor was never going to crack the top 8 so I don't see how this arguemenf can be going.
Ultimately, it did not matter--at least not this year.  It was of sufficient concern that they are addressing the rpi.  The concern is that if nothing is done, we will see more of the seeding issues that tend to favor specific regions of the country.  I suspect that Minnesota would also be quite willing to challenge the panel that sent them to Bama.  If the rpi is to be used, it should have some value at revealing something not otherwise clear.
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I've been trying to stop the discussion but they keep trying to prove points to him for some reason.  You know 1 could make the point that the SEC was the overrated conference, Except for Florida. The final 4 teams were Big 12, 2 Pac 12 and 1 SEC(Florida). To me the past RPI points is kind of mute now. It does't matter if OU beat West Popcorn State 20 times they won it. Its kind of wild that with the mighty SEC and PAC-12 in the fold the little ole big 12 keeps hoisting the trophy. Speaking of overrated when is the last time a PAC-12 team won it all? 2011 I believe. Seems to me that the softball landscape has changed a great deal. Maybe someone should start an RPI thread? 
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Ultimately, it did not matter--at least not this year.  It was of sufficient concern that they are addressing the rpi.  The concern is that if nothing is done, we will see more of the seeding issues that tend to favor specific regions of the country.  I suspect that Minnesota would also be quite willing to challenge the panel that sent them to Bama.  If the rpi is to be used, it should have some value at revealing something not otherwise clear.
WHO is addressing RPI? Link please.

And, it was VERY obvious and clear that Minnesota was the one team in the hosting discussion whose schedule made Oklahoma's look challenging.


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3leftstrokes who exactly is your team?
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Can we agree stop talking about TAMU in any BIG12 threads since ya know they're a part of the SEC. Also, why does Baylor need a pitching transfer? I was expecting them to develop Langkamp into something special

From Langkamp's stats freshman year to sophomore year, they were nonexistent (per available online stats). Highly recruited kid, but clearly wasn't able to make the adjustments needed to play at this level. Saw her in dugout at supers in Arizona cheering. Be interested to see if she lands elsewhere.
Pitching transfer is most likely due to Potts & Langkamp not returning.
2016, Baylor had 6 pitchers on roster, 5 "active" with Rodoni redshirting, which got pulled mid season. Seems announcers liked to continuously mention it as though it rarely happens.

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Baylor was a legit shocker.

Shocker is putting it mild. Cats and all of us fans / season ticket holders looked completely past them. From all indications, we were picking up some steam to roll into Oklahoma. For as shocked as the fans were, the team was even more so. We stood in awe as we watched that homerun clear the wall. Everyone of those players were devastated. Anyone who stayed after the game witnessed O'Toole out at the circle. We sat and watched her season and collegiate career end with tears rolling down our eyes.
Even the ESPN announcers and staff expected it to be a two and toast for Baylor.
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Bayor and OSU are going to be interesting next season. Seems like the talent level is going up but they are both losing their aces. I kept thinking Potts was going to be a really good pitcher for Baylor. From what I've read on here she's had injury problems? 
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Shocker is putting it mild. Cats and all of us fans / season ticket holders looked completely past them. From all indications, we were picking up some steam to roll into Oklahoma. For as shocked as the fans were, the team was even more so. We stood in awe as we watched that homerun clear the wall. Everyone of those players were devastated. Anyone who stayed after the game witnessed O'Toole out at the circle. We sat and watched her season and collegiate career end with tears rolling down our eyes.
Even the ESPN announcers and staff expected it to be a two and toast for Baylor.

I've yet to figure out why everyone counted Baylor out. They had a great pitcher in Sellman who proved she could beat anyone early in her career and early in her senior year. I knew the hard infield would play into the hands of Baylor as much as it would Zona. Baylor also had strong hitters for power that delievered in the clutch like Friedenburg all season. Also, Zona has choked so many times idc if they were an undefeated team at the end of the regular season, I would still bet against them in Supers. If any team was overrated, it was Arizona

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I've yet to figure out why everyone counted Baylor out. They had a great pitcher in Sellman who proved she could beat anyone early in her career and early in her senior year. I knew the hard infield would play into the hands of Baylor as much as it would Zona. Baylor also had strong hitters for power that delievered in the clutch like Friedenburg all season. Also, Zona has choked so many times idc if they were an undefeated team at the end of the regular season, I would still bet against them in Supers. If any team was overrated, it was Arizona


If you watched Selman last year and compared her to this year, night and day. Yes, early in the season she proved to be quite challenging for teams. I was distracted by her windup, but it worked for her. As the season got going, I think there were some hiccups, but ultimately end her career on a strong note. O'Toole was a straight up workhorse for the Cars this year. It was obvious that Candrea was going to ride her as far as he could. Unfortunately he didn't develop the rest of the staff to help her out and cost them in the end. But with the Cats powerful lineup and O'Toole, it was expected that they'd return to WCWS. Baylor is a scrappy team that was underestimated. Anyone can beat anyone on any given day.
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If you watched Selman last year and compared her to this year, night and day. Yes, early in the season she proved to be quite challenging for teams. I was distracted by her windup, but it worked for her. As the season got going, I think there were some hiccups, but ultimately end her career on a strong note. O'Toole was a straight up workhorse for the Cars this year. It was obvious that Candrea was going to ride her as far as he could. Unfortunately he didn't develop the rest of the staff to help her out and cost them in the end. But with the Cats powerful lineup and O'Toole, it was expected that they'd return to WCWS. Baylor is a scrappy team that was underestimated. Anyone can beat anyone on any given day.

Sellman had a back injury her junior year. She was fully healthy her senior year, that was the difference

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There is no team that has had the committee disrespect it like Baylor, certainly in the past two years.

Glenn Moore was SO classy despite that screw job of being sent to Oregon last year in the regional despite being the 13 RPI. And then, getting dropped from RPI 10 to barely hosting in May.

The Bears handed Mike Candrea a loss that I am guessing will be at the top of his career list, like Jimmy Johnson and that 1986 UM team losing to Penn State up the road in Tempe in that Fiesta Bowl to piss away the natty, despite fielding arguably the most talented college team of all time.

Mr. Incredible.
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Baylor did enough, beating UCLA and Washington on the road.  But, they probably cost themselves a higher seed with some unnecessary losses in the late season.  They lost one to OSU, Texas, Kansas, and Texas State late in the year.  Texas State seemed to beat everyone, 1-0.  Where did they come from?  The offense also took somewhat of a vacation late in the year, and there were stretches where Baylor could have won games if they had just been able to score.  Getting more than three runs seemed to be a problem at times.  A part of that was that some of the Big Twelve teams had one good pitcher who was likely to shut you down once.

OSU seemed to do absolutely nothing early.  Then, they had a sharp turnaround, except for games against OU and Baylor, losing two of three to Baylor before beating them in the Big Twelve tournament.  When Needham came on, she was tough.

Needham, Selman, the Tulsa pitcher, the Cal Poly pitcher---there were pitchers that could beat a top team (as Florida discovered in the regionals).  A hot pitcher can stop a run..
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3leftstrokes who exactly is your team?


Everyone not named Oklahoma?
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Everyone not named Oklahoma?
this sort of selective reading explains a lot about this country
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3leftstrokes who exactly is your team?

Can we all try to guess? I'm gonna say Oregon with the way he worships the Ducks.

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