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Emptynester

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Good song for the thread.
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Mocking the Creator is a past-time for many...........

The video and the offering of this video for viewing is a commentary on the direction mankind is rapidly going..........It's very sad..........

These days are very much like the days just before the great flood of Noah's days...............
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The atheists and non-Bible readers, and non-followers, on this board are, I'm sure, representative of society these days..........

The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were completely destroyed because of this - burned-up and no longer existed............This earth and everything on it will, someday, receive the same fate...........

In the meantime people will die and go to their grave with their fate sealed..........Most never having read the message of the Creator to us............

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I didn't watch the video, but some folks do seem to take particular delight in mocking God.  Not sure I understand that, but to each his own.

I bet many of those same people would never mock mohammed, or Buddha or some other pseudo-deity.  But God, yeah, fair game.

I wonder if some of you have ever heard of Pascal's Wager.  Pascal created many of the proofs of geometry, and changed mathematics.  He applied one of his proofs to the existence of God, and came up with this, which occurs to me as I read God-hater posts:

If God does not exist, one will lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one will lose everything by not believing."
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There are countless numbers of people who believe the Creator exists who will not have eternal life in Heaven with Him............

Choosing to not read and study His written Word will give us no chance to follow His Laws for our life...........There's no way to follow and Love the Creator without, first, getting to know Him...........We simply cannot go by a made-up image in our mind of what we think He might be like............We must listen to Him as He tells us what He's like in His written Word...........And, what He expects from us.........

In the Bible, the Creator tells us that if we love Him, follow His commandments..........And, I can tell anybody who'll listen, if we love Him, we will want to follow His commandments..........You simply cannot fall in love with the Creator without reading and studying the Bible.......... 

Heaven is not a place for someone to change their life - it's a place for those who have already changed their life...........
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If you believe there is a Creator and don't read the Bible and follow His commandments, you still will lose everything.............That is the message of the Bible.............

The Bible tells us an atheist and a non-follower are one-and-the-same..........A believer who is a non-follower is called a lukewarm believer in the Bible............


Many warnings in the Bible about not reading and studying - here are two of 'em...........


Revelation 3:15-16 -  I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Isaiah 29:13 - The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught."
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"If God does not exist, one will lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one will lose everything by not believing."

Which god is the one to believe in?
Which version of which bible do you follow? 
Which god will punish you the most for not believing?
Why is it not enough to be a good person?

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"If God does not exist, one will lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one will lose everything by not believing."

Which god is the one to believe in? There is only one God
Which version of which bible do you follow? small variations between particular versions are incidental.  I don't know why you keep asking this.
Which god will punish you the most for not believing? there is only one God
Why is it not enough to be a good person? see the Bible



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There is only one God

Since you are an intelligent, educated man, you know there are more people in the world that don't believe in the christian god than do. All I can say is....

If there is a god and your chosen God does not exist, you will lose everything by not believing in the right god if you are right.

If I had a god, he would reward goodness and wouldn't care if I believed in him or not.


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I suspect he also wouldn't promise eternal sex with multitudes of virgins for killing those of other faiths.  Seems a little weird to me.

Not sure who is intelligent and educated that you reference, but it is easy to find the answers to your questions, if you really want to know them.
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I suspect he also wouldn't promise eternal sex with multitudes of virgins for killing those of other faiths.  Seems a little weird to me.

Not sure who is intelligent and educated that you reference, but it is easy to find the answers to your questions, if you really want to know them.


I was responding to you. Blue is beyond reasoning with. Why do you suppose your god requires affirmation and to worship him? Isn't pure goodness more important than behaving out of fear? 

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I was responding to you. Blue is beyond reasoning with. Why do you suppose your god requires affirmation and to worship him? Isn't pure goodness more important than behaving out of fear? 


Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

It's not fear - it's love.
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As I said before , like shootin fish in a barrel. I was being nice. The song is about false prophets it’s not slamming God or faith. You 2 idiots wouldn’t know Jesus if he was standing in front of you and if he was, you would argue with him and tell him he was wrong. Lol
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Mikee, I believe the eternal sex with virgins is a powerful recruiting ploy. 

And Nestie, could you really pick Jesus out of a lineup of false prophets?

That's where unconditional faith takes place.
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Living your life as a trump type person and just admitting it on your death bed and asking for forgiveness is not how my god would work it. Good Muslims would be rewarded. What difference is there in being good in Yemen and being good in America? A faith in a supreme being is required to control the masses, some would say the dumb(m)asses. 
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Living your life as a trump type person and just admitting it on your death bed and asking for forgiveness is not how my god would work it. Good Muslims would be rewarded. What difference is there in being good in Yemen and being good in America? A faith in a supreme being is required to control the masses, some would say the dumb(m)asses. 

hmmm, yeah....  Lemme think a who was that said that ... Something about religon being the opiate of the people.  Oh, that right it was Communist Loser Carl Marx.

Well he was wrong.  You can believe and have free will.  Constitution says so.

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Freshie, how the hell does the Donald get mentioned in a Bible thread? I don't care for Trump one way or another, but he doesn't own my soul like he does you. 
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Worst example of a currently living human being I could come up with. 
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Worst example of a currently living human being I could come up with. 


He's bad, but if he's the worst in the whole wide world, you need to read more.
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He’s infinitely better than any doctor that performs abortions
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I didn't watch the video, but some folks do seem to take particular delight in mocking God.  Not sure I understand that, but to each his own.

I bet many of those same people would never mock mohammed, or Buddha or some other pseudo-deity.  But God, yeah, fair game.

I wonder if some of you have ever heard of Pascal's Wager.  Pascal created many of the proofs of geometry, and changed mathematics.  He applied one of his proofs to the existence of God, and came up with this, which occurs to me as I read God-hater posts:

If God does not exist, one will lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one will lose everything by not believing."


Yes, a JoiseyGuy and Bill Smith conversation first brought me to the knowledge of  Pascal's wager

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This thread starting to gain some traction. Very nice.
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I miss Frank. One of the UCS members with whom I've had the pleasure to sit for a few hours and watch a ball game. Glad that opportunity arose. Enjoyed thoroughly time spent in a grandstand in New Mexico, just two old dudes watching a college double header. Lobos hosting my daughter's Aztecs. But the teams didn't matter, the conversation was worth the air fare and price of admission.

And our conversations here were equally entertaining. His spectrum of knowledge was varied and vast. Challenging exchanges were shared and he was one to whom my sometimes seemingly vague references were pointed. He usually 'got it'.

If our exchanges provided a little amusement or provoked thought, must admit the times spent were simply selfish. Did enjoy the banter with Mr. Bolton, as I do with y'all.


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Fresh said........
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 Why do you suppose your god requires affirmation and to worship him? Isn't pure goodness more important than behaving out of fear? 


Humans will worship a Spirit.........In the spiritual world there are two choices - the Creator and Satan............The creator forces no human to love and worship Him..........It's not required - we have a choice........... 

Fear in the connotation you know of it, Fresh, isn't the same as "fear" in the context of the Bible............Bible-believers love the Creator so much we don't wanna disobey Him or disappoint Him...........That's the fear we have - the fear of knowing we failed His expectations for us.............

Paul asked in prayer to the Creator that if he had a place in Heaven, and if it was possible, may he give-up his place so someone who didn't have a place could go........That's the kind of love Paul had in his heart............

Churches teach about earthly-blessings..........That's false-teaching with a false-message..........True Bible-believers know we aren't promised any blessings here on earth - only food, shelter and clothes to wear.........Our blessings are to come after we die-on-earth and are resurrected on Jesus' return.......

Bible-believing followers know we're not excluded from pain-and-suffering on earth........When it comes, we welcome and accept it..........Peter was sentenced to be crucified because of his love for Jesus and asked to be hung upside-down so as not to compare his death with Jesus..........Job was punished by Satan unmercifully - lost his family and earthly wealth - yet he persevered through it..........And, no human could ever suffer as much mental and physical pain as Jesus did..........

True Bible-believers aren't looking for an easy-go of it, Fresh..........What we're to do is to persevere..........And, alcohol and drugs isn't how we do it..........We do it out of the kind of fear Paul had - Peter had  - Job had - and Jesus had - the kind of fear that is evident throughout the Bible - the fear of disappointing our Creator who loves us with a love that is more than we are capable of even imagining..........That is our inner-peace and it's with us always........Our greatest hope is to live with Him and those who follwed Him for eternity........... 


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Humans struggle-to-achieve inner-peace...........They search and experiment with earthly solutions their entire lives..........Then, they struggle with the earthly fear-of-dying..........

Bible-believing followers who read and study have no struggles with that stuff..........
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Fear of dying is why there are religions. Most people can't come to terms with being a finite entity. Pascal's wager was formulated from a time when people had no exposure to other cultures and beliefs. It was god(the one you were familiar with) or evil. Knowledge that other cultures have gods that are just as plausible complicates the wager. Wrong god, cya.
You still haven't explained why there are so many contrary interpretations from, supposedly the same manuscripts. From the relatively cerebral Catholic versions to the Tennessee hills snake handlers, somebody has missed a comma somewhere. Your best response seems to be; when you get it....you get it. Problematic for someone with an analytical mind.

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Fear of dying is why there are religions. Most people can't come to terms with being a finite entity. Pascal's wager was formulated from a time when people had no exposure to other cultures and beliefs. It was god(the one you were familiar with) or evil. Knowledge that other cultures have gods that are just as plausible complicates the wager. Wrong god, cya.  There is only one - the one blue knows.  Those other cultures matter not.
You still haven't explained why there are so many contrary interpretations from, supposedly the same manuscripts. From the relatively cerebral Catholic versions to the Tennessee hills snake handlers, somebody has missed a comma somewhere. Your best response seems to be; when you get it....you get it. Problematic for someone with an analytical mind.
What you fail to grasp is what blue keeps telling you - he believes in the Bible - not the Pope, or the snake handlers, or anyone else.



unless you're being a dope for grins and giggles only, this really isn't that hard.
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There is only one - the one blue knows.  Those other cultures matter not.
unless you're being a dope for grins and giggles only, this really isn't that hard.


Are you saying you are right because you are you? Everyone else has to be wrong? I don't believe a person smart enough to graduate from Tech really believes that. You have to know there is a chance you are wrong.

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