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PlayersCoach

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During the telecast on I believe Sunday, Ms. Mowins made note on air that all 4 surviving teams were coached by women.  Would she have said that if it were all men?  She also chose not to mention that FSU has 2 male coaches (one who coaches 3rd and runs the offense) and Washington top two assistants are male. As Doug Gottlieb questions on his radio show, Big deal, small deal, no deal? 
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No deal.
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Lauren

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It IS a big deal. Because despite the fact softball is a majority women’s sport, women have only recently been allowed to coach it. It’s a noteworthy point
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It IS a big deal. Because despite the fact softball is a majority women’s sport, women have only recently been allowed to coach it. It’s a noteworthy point


Recently? Hutch been at MI for 34 years.

I think we're pretty far from Women's Suffrage don't ya think?
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It's only been recently that women can come out of the kitchen and vote and coach....JK
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It IS a big deal. Because despite the fact softball is a majority women’s sport, women have only recently been allowed to coach it. It’s a noteworthy point


The absurdity of your comment is beyond belief..... Hutch, Backus, Wells, Ninemire, Blevins, Drysdale, Revelle, Graff, Littlewood, Spanks, Jonker, Sortino, Girouard, Wright, Joyce.....the list goes on, oh and they are ALL Hall of Fame members
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It IS a big deal. Because despite the fact softball is a majority women’s sport, women have only recently been allowed to coach it. It’s a noteworthy point


?? UCLA has had women coaches from the inception of its program in the 70’s. Joyce Compton started South Carolina’s program and ran it until handing it over to Bev Smith. JoAnn Graf started FSU and handed it off to Lonnie. Someone already mentioned Hutch. Chan McDonald at UNLV. Judy Garman at Cal State Fullerton. Diane Ninemeyer at Cal. Donna Papa at UNC. Elaine Sortino at UMass. Gayle Blevins at Iowa. Margie Wright at Fresno. Linda Wells at ASU.
No new or recent programs here. All traditional and traditionally strong guided by female coaches. No judgement on Mowins’s comment one way or the other. I just thought this comment was a strange one.
Also, while college softball may be solely a women’s sport, fastpitch in general around the world is NOT just for women. Spend a minute in Australia or New Zealand. Or just ask Ken Eriksen, Mike White, Ehren Earlywhine (just gagged a little, though), or Travis at FSU.
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No deal at all.

The common thread among the finalists is that they are all excellent coaches. I don’t give a you-know-what whether the coach is male, female, any color of the rainbow, or any letter of the ever-lengthening LGBTQ-whatever group. It. Does. Not. Matter.

What matters is whether someone can a) coach the game; and b) lead young women.
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Ninemeyer? Diane Ninemeyer?
Spell her name right.
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As soon as everyone agrees it's not a deal, then that will be an accomplishment.
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?? UCLA has had women coaches from the inception of its program in the 70’s. Joyce Compton started South Carolina’s program and ran it until handing it over to Bev Smith. JoAnn Graf started FSU and handed it off to Lonnie. Someone already mentioned Hutch. Chan McDonald at UNLV. Judy Garman at Cal State Fullerton. Diane Ninemeyer at Cal. Donna Papa at UNC. Elaine Sortino at UMass. Gayle Blevins at Iowa. Margie Wright at Fresno. Linda Wells at ASU.
No new or recent programs here. All traditional and traditionally strong guided by female coaches. No judgement on Mowins’s comment one way or the other. I just thought this comment was a strange one.
Also, while college softball may be solely a women’s sport, fastpitch in general around the world is NOT just for women. Spend a minute in Australia or New Zealand. Or just ask Ken Eriksen, Mike White, Ehren Earlywhine (just gagged a little, though), or Travis at FSU.


Not sure the poster Lauren is from the US.  Coach Z, thank you for going back to give some names that I had forgotten.


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No deal.  Who cares.
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Yes, Lauren is likely not an American or relatively young.  When softball (and all women's collegiate sports) were sponsored by the AIAW virtually all the coaches were poorly paid women.  With Title IX the salaries paid began to improve and men began to see these jobs as first viable and now desirable.  The overall trend in all women's sports has been to have more male coaches.
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It IS a big deal. Because despite the fact softball is a majority women’s sport, women have only recently been allowed to coach it. It’s a noteworthy point


The noteworthy point is that this is an idiotic comment.

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Yes, Lauren is likely not an American or relatively young.  When softball (and all women's collegiate sports) were sponsored by the AIAW virtually all the coaches were poorly paid women.  With Title IX the salaries paid began to improve and men began to see these jobs as first viable and now desirable.  The overall trend in all women's sports has been to have more male coaches.


I’m not American and 35. So even watching from afar a lot of men involved.

And the idea that women’s sports hasn’t been dominated by male coaches is just ignoring reality. And American men generally don’t have a softball background. At least Mike White is a genuine softball legend!
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Why is this even a thread 🙄
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Because Lauren is apparently from one of those countries where women can't even drive yet [wink]


Put down the placard, dearie.....your sisteren can actually vote over here....

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There are more women head coaches in softball than men. What's the big deal? Do people want to see the day when there are no men coaching? That would be an interesting position for a woman to take and at the same time say things aren't fair for women in other walks of life.
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It's be a big deal because rec and travel fastpitch are still dominated by male coaches.  It's a big deal because it's extremely rare to see females coaching men's sports.  It's a big deal because even when a school does hire women people still complain they they went after the best woman instead of the best candidate.  



 

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It is interesting that travel ball, in my experience, is dominated by male coaches.  Too often, and I've seen this first hand, dads start coaching to shepherd their own daughters through the process or to somehow continue their own connection to athletics.  My daughter played for three different travel ball teams - one coached by a female (former collegiate player) and the other two by men.  She learned far more about the fundamentals of the game and how to compete from that woman - far more.
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Just because it's not a big deal to you doesn't mean it wasn't a big deal to Mowins. It was her opinion. People overreact. 
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It's be a big deal because rec and travel fastpitch are still dominated by male coaches.  It's a big deal because it's extremely rare to see females coaching men's sports.  It's a big deal because even when a school does hire women people still complain they they went after the best woman instead of the best candidate.  



 




Ummm...women should not be coaching men's sports. Appropriate separation is a good thing.
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There are more women head coaches in softball than men. What's the big deal? Do people want to see the day when there are no men coaching? That would be an interesting position for a woman to take and at the same time say things aren't fair for women in other walks of life.


Very dangerous trend to displace men from their natural role and replace them with women. It is the goal of the feminazi.
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In general, women couldn't coach men. Some could, but in my opinion it wouldn't work. The male mind works differently.
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This really isn't about men vs. women... that is, the physiological differences between men's and women's brains, and bodies.

This is about having 100x more men with coaching experience in the DIAMOND sports... that is both baseball and softball.   When my daughter was 8, she played baseball.   She had some excellent coaches, who happened to be  men (neither her mother nor I cared whether the coach was male or female), who had played diamond sports when they were kids some 40 years ago, some through high school, some through college, and then coached their sons and in very rare cases daughters, in baseball at a young age.


After two seasons baseball, at the rec level where she played 3rd and pitched, and at the Pony level in Mustangs and then Broncos (where she led the team in OBP, but was an average batter), we went to see the local rec league, Santa Monica, play softball.   OMG, what a she-ot show.  Couldn't field, throw, or bat at the 8U baseball level... and this was 10U softball.

We said, screw that, and checked out some travel softball teams, where the level of play was about at the Pony baseball level.   So she made the switch. 

Softball at the 8U rec level can pretty much ruin most girls from ever playing the game well.   When 8 yr. old girls learn terrible mechanics, especially in throwing and batting, those bad habits are almost impossible to reverse and replace with proper mechanics when they are 10-12 years old.  They are just too entrenched.   I think every girl taking up softball or baseball should learn how to pitch overhand.  This at least teaches a girl to feel the leverage that a proper throwing motion contains.

I don't know who taught Lisa Fernandez how to bat, but the hitting clips of her I saw on Ernie Parker's old website showed excellent  mechanics was back in the 1990s.  That convinced me in 2006 that hitting well isn't about gender, and that the vast majority of female college softball players in Fernandez' time, and up to 2006, simply had never been taught how to efficiently hit with power.  My how hitting has improved in the past 12 years.

A former baseball player who is now coaching is going have more experience with a mechanically sound overhand throwing motion in softball, and (usually) going to have more experience with the notion of hitting with power, than a softball player who learned poor hitting mechanics 30 years ago, and never pitched in baseball so has a disadvantage with how a proper overhand throwing motion should feel.  On the flip side, very few men diamond sports participants know anything about pitching in softball, or slapping in softball. 

Bottom line, it is not about gender or gender differences.  It is about experience with excellent hitting and throwing mechanics.   There are 100x more men who have diamond sports coaching experience, so you figure the top 10% of these coaches are going to have a better chance of success than the top 10% of female coaches.





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P.S.  Now that coaching collegiate softball is starting to pay better, I think we're going to see more and more men assistant and associate head coaches... and not just 20 somethings who can live on $25k, but married men in their 30s or 40s who are actually providing for a family by coaching full time and earning over $60k up to $125k at richer programs

We already saw that ten years ago with the head coaching position, with Myers, White, Earlywine, among others jumping on board once head coaching positions in P5 schools broke the $100k/yr mark.

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During the telecast on I believe Sunday, Ms. Mowins made note on air that all 4 surviving teams were coached by women.  Would she have said that if it were all men?


Mo, she would have said that all four were coached by men. [wink]
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It IS a big deal. Because despite the fact softball is a majority women’s sport, women have only recently been allowed to coach it. It’s a noteworthy point


Do women in Australia have the vote?
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