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outofzone

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Barnhill will not take much to get legal all the time. She's smart and has the best pitching coach in the game. The book description is not always strictly enforced. Strike zones vary from year to year and so do pitching rule interpretations. I might not agree with that practice, but it exists. 


I'm not so sure. Although she has plenty of time IF they are even working on it. 

Her very first move off the rubber is up, not towards home plate. Her timing is such where she depends on her landing to replant & then push off towards home plate. To re-learn to drag & release won't be easy as you think. Besides, her muscle memory depends on her replant for leverage, where she gets a lot of her power. Also, if she has to drag her toes, it will severely hinder her leg-cock, which will also affect her power. 

Considering the SEC is getting a new person to head up the Umpires who is apparently a rules fanatic &, illegal pitches will be a point of emphasis at the upcoming meetings, maybe Florida makes an attempt to bring Barnhill more mainstream.

I'm a huge fan and just want her to do it like every other pitcher.

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I would love to see her pitch legal.


So would everybody. She may become a mere mortal again. 
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I'm a huge fan and just want her to do it like every other pitcher.

This sentence cannot be overstated
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I'm not so sure. Although she has plenty of time IF they are even working on it. 

Her very first move off the rubber is up, not towards home plate. Her timing is such where she depends on her landing to replant & then push off towards home plate. To re-learn to drag & release won't be easy as you think. Besides, her muscle memory depends on her replant for leverage, where she gets a lot of her power. Also, if she has to drag her toes, it will severely hinder her leg-cock, which will also affect her power. 

Considering the SEC is getting a new person to head up the Umpires who is apparently a rules fanatic &, illegal pitches will be a point of emphasis at the upcoming meetings, maybe Florida makes an attempt to bring Barnhill more mainstream.

I'm a huge fan and just want her to do it like every other pitcher.



If there will be a shutdown on IP's as defined by the book.....Rocha will have her book legal. She lept, but hd no hint of a replant when she played for us. Still hit 70 at 16. Her problem was the leap. Like I said, Barnhill is Stanford smart and Rocha is Mazzone good. 

Just watch.
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Not really.  The first two pitchers will be Carlson and Martin.  Draper will be in center and Rivera in right.  Taylon Snow will be at short.  The other 5 positions are yet to be decided.  That's what I think I know.


You took my sarcasm well. The operative word in your post being "think". 

Dean is a master at smoke/mirrors & creating a competitive environment where EVERY kid thinks they ARE a starter. Carlson/Martin are certainly the obvious/popular choices but since there is no Megan Good on that team just hold your breath. And the Snow kid might be the best athlete on that team but she may end up playing RF. 

He is not a normal coach, in a good way. Auburn will win many games & most likely a NC sooner than later IF he can find a stud pitcher. Just looking back on his days at JMU, he puts kids in places you shake your head at. 

One think for sure, the lineup he starts with next Spring will be the roster he thinks will play out the season. He goes balls to the wall from Pitch #1, none of this 'trying to work some kids in' crap. You may also find out, regardless of how deep you think Auburn is, pull it way back because he traditionally doesn't rotate a bunch of kids in game to game. 

An opinion based on observations.


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I'm not so sure. Although she has plenty of time IF they are even working on it. 

Her very first move off the rubber is up, not towards home plate. Her timing is such where she depends on her landing to replant & then push off towards home plate. To re-learn to drag & release won't be easy as you think. Besides, her muscle memory depends on her replant for leverage, where she gets a lot of her power. Also, if she has to drag her toes, it will severely hinder her leg-cock, which will also affect her power. 

Considering the SEC is getting a new person to head up the Umpires who is apparently a rules fanatic &, illegal pitches will be a point of emphasis at the upcoming meetings, maybe Florida makes an attempt to bring Barnhill more mainstream.

I'm a huge fan and just want her to do it like every other pitcher.



You are 100% correct on your break down of what and why she does it. Yes this will be more difficult to correct then most think. The replant is the single most illegal advantage a pitcher can get by far and I believe the umps must call it and get it out of the game before to many young pitchers start to copy Barnhill because of her success.

We cannot blame the pitchers who start to do this if it is being allowed by the umps. If your a pitcher you should look at getting every advantage that you can as long as they are not calling it "have at it".

I know the replant is really not a difficult thing for umps to watch for and call so they just need to call it.

I played and watched as the Men's game transitioned over approx. 20+ years to allow the replant. Then the hop and replant. Then one foot on the rubber, hop and replant. It became a bit of a circus in the circle on who could hop skip and jump the farthest. It really ruined the essence of pitching and the state of the Men's game has never been the same since.


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I say if forced to pitch strictly by the book, Barnhill will lose very little. She will do the front end work necessary. Until called, it is unnecessary. Rules are as called, not as written. Has always been this way. It's not golf.
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You took my sarcasm well. The operative word in your post being "think". 

Dean is a master at smoke/mirrors & creating a competitive environment where EVERY kid thinks they ARE a starter. Carlson/Martin are certainly the obvious/popular choices but since there is no Megan Good on that team just hold your breath. And the Snow kid might be the best athlete on that team but she may end up playing RF. 

He is not a normal coach, in a good way. Auburn will win many games & most likely a NC sooner than later IF he can find a stud pitcher. Just looking back on his days at JMU, he puts kids in places you shake your head at. 

One think for sure, the lineup he starts with next Spring will be the roster he thinks will play out the season. He goes balls to the wall from Pitch #1, none of this 'trying to work some kids in' crap. You may also find out, regardless of how deep you think Auburn is, pull it way back because he traditionally doesn't rotate a bunch of kids in game to game. 

An opinion based on observations.




I don’t know of any college coach that rotates players in, that stopped at 16u unless it’s a showcase. Look at the teams at the WCWS, the same lineup game after game that we saw throughout the entire regular season.
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I don’t know of any college coach that rotates players in, that stopped at 16u unless it’s a showcase. Look at the teams at the WCWS, the same lineup game after game that we saw throughout the entire regular season.


I agree. Point was, he has shown some very good kids the bench when the perception was they were most likely starters. I'm real curious how stuff like that will go over with the Auburn faithful.
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Heard Tannon Snow may have had another medical issue and may be going back home. Anybody else heard that or know if it's true? Also Veach and Greenwood apparently both had surgeries and will be out a few weeks but shouldn't miss any of the season.
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Tannon is still hopeful to be ready to go for the 2018 season.  They are being very, very careful with her and she generally has gone about 1/2 of the practice sessions and takes the other 1/2 off....some days are still better than others.  Obviously, her health is the main focus.

Her sister continues to play well and is enjoying being at Auburn....she met with media today.

Kendall Veach had a torn meniscus following a collision about two weeks ago.  She's already had it repaired and is going to be fine.  As I've said, she'll get the opportunity to win the battle to play 1st and 3rd before any more looks at catcher.  Carmen Greenwood had her shoulder pop out taking some swings.  It's going to take another week or so before final evaluation but is expected to be just rehab.  Veach was walking with a minor limp last weekend as one might expect after a knee scope.
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Auburn's signing class from today.  Emphasis on offense.

http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/w-softbl/spec-rel/110817aaa.html
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Auburn's signing class from today.  Emphasis on offense.

http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/w-softbl/spec-rel/110817aaa.html


When was the last time Auburn only signed 3 players?  I guess they lost a few with the coaching transition.  Will Coach Dean look to add some transfers?
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When was the last time Auburn only signed 3 players?  I guess they lost a few with the coaching transition.  Will Coach Dean look to add some transfers?


My understanding is that they haven't lost anyone that was currently on the roster due to the staff changes.  I believe they had a verbal commit that didn't sign, but not much impact otherwise.  They still have a couple spots, but as is the deal with the sport, they aren't full scholarship spots.  Dean has stated that he doesn't have any glaring needs that would require seeking out transfers, but i'm sure if the right player decided to look around that would change.

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LOL!!!!
He's back. Thank god
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My understanding is that they haven't lost anyone that was currently on the roster due to the staff changes.  I believe they had a verbal commit that didn't sign, but not much impact otherwise.  They still have a couple spots, but as is the deal with the sport, they aren't full scholarship spots.  Dean has stated that he doesn't have any glaring needs that would require seeking out transfers, but i'm sure if the right player decided to look around that would change.


I was referring to the 2018 class that signed.  I think they had at least 6 or 7 players verballed and only signed 3.
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My understanding is that they haven't lost anyone that was currently on the roster due to the staff changes.  I believe they had a verbal commit that didn't sign, but not much impact otherwise.  They still have a couple spots, but as is the deal with the sport, they aren't full scholarship spots.  Dean has stated that he doesn't have any glaring needs that would require seeking out transfers, but i'm sure if the right player decided to look around that would change.


I was curious about that myself. So nobody jumped ship..good to hear.

Also, good to have you back
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Looks like Auburn just picked up 3 more verbals

Jaylin Calvert 2019 OF Beverly Bandits was orginally verbal to JMU

Kelsey Schmidt 2020 OF Beverly Bandits was originally verbal to JMU

Rose Roach 2021 SS Beverly Bandits

Looks like the Bandit pipeline for Dean might continue
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Looks like Auburn just picked up 3 more verbals Jaylin Calvert 2019 OF Beverly Bandits was orginally verbal to JMU Kelsey Schmidt 2020 OF Beverly Bandits was originally verbal to JMU Rose Roach 2021 SS Beverly Bandits Looks like the Bandit pipeline for Dean might continue


Well that answers a question I posed in a previous post. Would he take former JMU verbals if they wanted to change their mind...guess so.

I reiterate, just because it's Auburn doesn't mean the players are automatically better. Too many people would assume because they WERE going to JMU they COULDN'T play in the SEC.

That theory just sailed out the window. It's Coach Dean...he could be coaching with Blake Miller at the New Mexico Penal League intramural team and still would get quality athletes. He's that good. 

Another thing to watch. He WILL favor his kids, ie: the ones he recruits. Cause he thinks the kids HE recruits are better. It's no wonder so many kids want to play for him.
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Another thing to watch. He WILL favor his kids, ie: the ones he recruits. Cause he thinks the kids HE recruits are better. It's no wonder so many kids want to play for him.
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Well that answers a question I posed in a previous post. Would he take former JMU verbals if they wanted to change their mind...guess so.

I reiterate, just because it's Auburn doesn't mean the players are automatically better. Too many people would assume because they WERE going to JMU they COULDN'T play in the SEC.

That theory just sailed out the window. It's Coach Dean...he could be coaching with Blake Miller at the New Mexico Penal League intramural team and still would get quality athletes. He's that good. 

Another thing to watch. He WILL favor his kids, ie: the ones he recruits. Cause he thinks the kids HE recruits are better. It's no wonder so many kids want to play for him.


It was obvious that he would continue to use his pipeline to the bandits organization.

We'll have to see if the kids he just got to switch from JMU to Auburn can hack it in the SEC. My thoughts are they probably won't be able to. The best kids Dean got weren't from the Bandits (Ford (if you count her), Good, Tolle, Field, Prince, Netwon)
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It was obvious that he would continue to use his pipeline to the bandits organization.

We'll have to see if the kids he just got to switch from JMU to Auburn can hack it in the SEC. My thoughts are they probably won't be able to. The best kids Dean got weren't from the Bandits (Ford (if you count her), Good, Tolle, Field, Prince, Netwon)


Not to nit pick but Ford was already at JMU & Good lived in his "backyard". Also, my guess is he had nothing to do with getting them to switch. Best bet is all those kids have been blowing up his phone because they want to play in the SEC. The other 4 were good ball players when they got there & he just made them better. 

Like JMU, he will take darn near any kid, on his monetary terms, who says they want to play for him. He won't be able to juggle the scholarship money @ Auburn like he could @ JMU. 
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Not to nit pick but Ford was already at JMU & Good lived in his "backyard". Also, my guess is he had nothing to do with getting them to switch. Best bet is all those kids have been blowing up his phone because they want to play in the SEC. The other 4 were good ball players when they got there & he just made them better. 

Like JMU, he will take darn near any kid, on his monetary terms, who says they want to play for him. He won't be able to juggle the scholarship money @ Auburn like he could @ JMU. 


I don't disagree with anything you said. I'm just making the point that the Bandits kids weren't the ones that were the stars on the JMU teams, so why would you expect them to make a big impact at Auburn. I'm sure they're jumping to play in the SEC and want to play for Dean.

I'm not sure how the scholarship situation would be any different - I don't think he was taking scholarships away from players at JMU, if that's what you're implying.
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Was Good already committed to JMU when she played for the Bandits?
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Was Good already committed to JMU when she played for the Bandits?


Good was a relative unknown when she first played with the Augusta Flames. A more local travel team in close proximity to JMU. She was a better volleyball player actually. Most likely Dean knew well of her in those days. She did move to the Bandits for her final travel season. By that time Dean had the inside track no doubt. 
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I don't disagree with anything you said. I'm just making the point that the Bandits kids weren't the ones that were the stars on the JMU teams, so why would you expect them to make a big impact at Auburn. I'm sure they're jumping to play in the SEC and want to play for Dean.

I'm not sure how the scholarship situation would be any different - I don't think he was taking scholarships away from players at JMU, if that's what you're implying.


There is a monumental difference in the scholarships @ Auburn vs JMU. Yes, both are fully funded programs but, any Athletic Scholarship monies awarded @ Auburn are now guaranteed. CAA Softball players do not enjoy that benefit as the CAA is not in a Power 5 Conference.

As far as "taking" scholarships away from players...define it how you will but in talking to parents/players dating back to his Radford days that's exactly what happened. If you think coaches, in exit interviews, don't have any number of ways of telling a kid their money is being reduced, they won't see the field next season, you won't travel next season, that's naive thinking.  It happens and it's not disputable. Rarely do you hear much of it because what kid/parent will brag about getting money cut. 

He only signed 3 of the original 6 2018 commits so money certainly became 'available' for this class. No doubt he will be taking a hard look at the current roster & each players' scholarship 'deal'. Don't be surprised to see significant changes to that roster this time next year. While nobody but him truly knows what is scholarship capabilities are moving forward, with all this early recruiting and the Myers were knee deep in it, Coach Dean will be doing some major re-evaluations of the current crop of Auburn verbals. Just like with any new coach, don't be surprised when you hear about Dean telling Myers' recruits thanks but no thanks. 
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Good was a relative unknown when she first played with the Augusta Flames. A more local travel team in close proximity to JMU. She was a better volleyball player actually. Most likely Dean knew well of her in those days. She did move to the Bandits for her final travel season. By that time Dean had the inside track no doubt. 


So did she commit as a Bandit? I only ask because it was stated that the kids from the Bandits were not really major contributors. If my recalection is correct
Good
Arnold
Alexander (commit prior)
Moran
Naujokas
Were all Bandits. That is 5 of the starting 9
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So did she commit as a Bandit? I only ask because it was stated that the kids from the Bandits were not really major contributors. If my recalection is correct
Good
Arnold
Alexander (commit prior)
Moran
Naujokas
Were all Bandits. That is 5 of the starting 9


Did they play for the Bandits before or after they committed to JMU? College coaches are known to stack their vebal commits on the same TB teams. The Myers did the same thing with the Thunderbolts for years. Someone not familiar with this process would assume the Thunderbolts were a "pipeline" for Auburn.
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Did they play for the Bandits before or after they committed to JMU? College coaches are known to stack their vebal commits on the same TB teams. The Myers did the same thing with the Thunderbolts for years. Someone not familiar with this process would assume the Thunderbolts were a "pipeline" for Auburn.


The Thunderbolts weren't a pipeline? 

The Bandits were a defacto pipeline for Dean to JMU. The only thing he couldn't recruit from that program was a National Class pitcher. He did recruit a 2017 currently at JMU. She's a competent pitcher and remains to be seen how she will do in the CAA.
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The Thunderbolts weren't a pipeline? 

The Bandits were a defacto pipeline for Dean to JMU. The only thing he couldn't recruit from that program was a National Class pitcher. He did recruit a 2017 currently at JMU. She's a competent pitcher and remains to be seen how she will do in the CAA.


I would consider the Thunderbolts more of a farm team than a pipeline...
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