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AUWhiskey

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I feel bad for the incoming pitchers.  Hunter is a nice guy but knows nothing about pitching.  I guess he has a lot of goods on Corey.  Also University giving extension to Myers- sends a sign it is ok to have romantic relationships with players as long as you keep us in the top 20.  They only finished 13th this year.  I would have thought the bar was at least a top 10 finish.

 Not sure if Hunter can bully/harass/intimidate the pitchers to Clint's expectations so Clint must be taking over that portion of the pitching coach duties.

Anyone know of a top 50 program with a less experienced/knowledgeable pitching coach?

Maybe it is a d-facto of making Carlson player coach?


I think you re confusing Clint and Corey.  Corey is the son who is rumored to have had inappropriate relationships with players.  That still isn't proven, but Corey is gone anyway. Clint is not even rumored to have had an inappropriate relationship, so why does his contract renewal send any sign about that?  And why do you think that pitchers need to be bullied, harassed, and intimidated?  Is that what they do in T-town?

As far as knowing something about pitching goes, ours have beaten yours five of the last six. 
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100% sure you're wrong there, from sources I can't attribute.  Don't look for Corey to be back at Auburn.  And Clint is not responsible for his 40-year old son's mistakes.


While I'm sure your sources are better than mine, that's NOT what staff members are telling recruits & their parents. And that is from the parents themselves, not speculation.  I understand the program's current issues will be glossed over at the risk of losing key recruits...

As far as Clint not being responsible for his son's mistakes...wow. That statement is irresponsible in itself. EVERYTHING within that program, good/bad flows uphill to "Dad". He's guilty by association period. I wish I could run my companies without any exposure to what my employees do. 

Auburn AD is letting alot of bad precedents perpetuate themselves. There is a reason they have nepotism laws....just look at Auburn Softball.
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Martin did not have as good of a year in 2017 as she did in 2016.  Even top pitching coaches have a hard time keeping success from year to year.  Look at Paige Parker.  This isn't travel ball where the pitcher that throws the hardest wins.  All programs are scouting and making changes both hitting and pitching.  Hunter does not have the high level experience to stay in front of the high level hitters.  Look at the super region results.  Pitching at OU was well above AU pitching.  Even Alabama had a distinct pitching advantage, Auburn was able to survive the series due to Alabama's inability to get a timely hit not because of Auburn dominate pitching. 


That's a function of recruiting more than coaching in my opinion.  I do think Auburn was going after a different pitching coach.  As I said, thus the interim tag on Hunter.
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Clint was in charge during Corey's relationships.  Clint put players at risk therefore he is responsible.  I wish you AU fans and administration would get your heads out of the sand and acknowledge Corey courted players for relationships.  Way to much smoke not to have fire!
There is absolutely no room for the behavior in any workplace let alone a college sports program!!
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100% sure you're wrong there, from sources I can't attribute.  Don't look for Corey to be back at Auburn.  And Clint is not responsible for his 40-year old son's mistakes.
He abso-f***ing-lutely is. He hired him. Let the fox into the hen house
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He abso-f***ing-lutely is. He hired him. Let the fox into the hen house


Auburn is an unethical softball program. Period . It's well known in the softball circles. Long before this Spring the rumors about Auburn were commonly known. That they over recruit with no intention of honoring all their verbals is known. When an assistant coach decked out in Auburn gear loudly talks on his phone telling someone they have to get to a certain showcase field because "it's where all the hot moms are" it's not a crime but shows the mindset.

You will always be able to find talented kids to play for a hall of fame coach at a top ten program in the SEC. You only need to get 5-7 good players a year
What is interesting to hear is how other big softball schools recruit against them ( long before this Spring). It's brutal. im just wondering if all this is just smoke at Auburn why these coaches are not saying things like that about Bama, UF, FSU and LSU.
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100% sure you're wrong there, from sources I can't attribute.  Don't look for Corey to be back at Auburn.  And Clint is not responsible for his 40-year old son's mistakes.


Clint may not be directly responsible for Corey's mistakes, but can you honestly say that Clint handled Corey's indiscretions the same way he would have If Corey was not his son? The Auburn coaching staff is still telling recruits it was just "inappropriate texts" between Corey and the player...and if you believe that I have some ocean front property in AZ I would like to sell you.
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And my point is that Swindle was much better  in the spring than in the fall...so the TB part is not part of that.


I bet 98.2% of pitchers improve between the fall and spring of their freshman year. They all are in a training program that is 10X harder than anything they did in HS unless they were complete gym rats. That said, I will be impressed if Hunter can develop Swindle into an SEC caliber pitcher because I don't see it.
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I bet 98.2% of pitchers improve between the fall and spring of their freshman year. Ever one of them is in a training program that is 10X harder than anything they did in HS unless they were complete gym rats. That said, I will be impressed if Hunter can develop Swindle into an SEC caliber pitcher because I don't see it.


I will be impressed too.  But her velocity and accuracy have gotten much better since getting here.  I had a similar opinion in the fall about her ability to contribute as an SEC pitcher.
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I will be impressed too.  But her velocity and accuracy have gotten much better since getting here.  I had a similar opinion in the fall about her ability to contribute as an SEC pitcher.


Bilodeau and Chardonnay are both coming in with better velocity and movement than Swindle, so Hunter may never get the chance to show what he can do with her. Hard to survive in the SEC with a change up as your primary pitch. She will struggle for circle time this season.
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<< Martin did not have as good of a year in 2017 as she did in 2016.  Even top pitching coaches have a hard time keeping success from year to year.  Look at Paige Parker. >> (alabamasoftballfan)

Look at Paige Parker..???
Are you saying Parker's pitching went down hill in 2017..?

Parker did not pitch as MUCH as she did in 2016 this season - because the team added some very nice pitchers to their staff... 
and the coaches decided to make it much more of a team staff - than a one pitcher staff.
Parker pitched 252.1 innings in the 2016 season. 
She pitched 210.1 innings in the 2017 season.

But her ERA was better in 2017 (1.43) than in 2016 (1.64).
Her strikeouts per 7 IP was better in 2017 (8.72) than in 2016 (7.46).
Her free bases allowed per 7 IP was better in 2017 (1.8) than in 2016 (2.2). 
Free bases being (BB+HBP).
And her EBH per 7 IP was better in 2017 (1.36) than in 2016 (1.50).

If all you look at is W-L record - then you might think Parker was better in 2016... 
but she actually did not decline as a pitcher in 2017... 
She got better.
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Shows the value of a good pitching coach.  I didn't realize Parker's overall numbers were better.  I just remember the regionals where she seemed to struggle but she did get on by the Super's and WCWS.
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Bilodeau and Chardonnay are both coming in with better velocity and movement than Swindle, so Hunter may never get the chance to show what he can do with her. Hard to survive in the SEC with a change up as your primary pitch. She will struggle for circle time this season.


I concur.  I know not walking folks will play a huge roll in deciding who gets innings for the new players as well.  Looking forward to seeing this recruiting class mix it up.
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Parker shut out Tulsa in the championship game of the regional 3-0. 
HenryLouisAaron

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<< I didn't realize Parker's overall numbers were better.  I just remember the regionals where she seemed to struggle but she did get on by the Super's and WCWS. >> (alabamasoftballfan)

<< Parker shut out Tulsa in the championship game of the regional 3-0. >> (Speedy17)

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Yes, Parker had 10 Ks in that shutout of Tulsa.
Parker pitched 17.2 innings in regional play this season and gave up 3 earned runs - for a 1.19 ERA.

She followed up the shutout of Tulsa in the regional final - with a shutout of Auburn (with 14 Ks) in the super regional.

For the entire 2017 post season, Parker's ERA was 1.67 (and it had been 1.29 before she gave up 3 ER in just 1.2 IP to Florida in the final game).
Her post season ERA was 1.93 in 2016. 
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When Parker is on, we know how great she is, but I think one big reason her ERA was lower is she didn't have to work through rough patches by herself and batters didn't get to see her 4 times in one game. Paige Lowary should get a bit of credit for providing so much help creating a pitching staff instead of a One Paige Show.
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Got touched up in her final three games, but was excellent as usual
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Got touched up in her final three games, but was excellent as usual

The competition was also much better in those games

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<< When Parker is on, we know how great she is, but I think one big reason her ERA was lower is she didn't have to work through rough patches by herself and batters didn't get to see her 4 times in one game. Paige Lowary should get a bit of credit for providing so much help creating a pitching staff instead of a One Paige Show. >> (all4AU)

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I can agree with that. 
The One Paige Show was pretty fantastic in 2016 (they did win the NCAA title)...
but the Two Paige Show was even better - in 2017, imv (and they won it all again).
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<< Got touched up in her final three games, but was excellent as usual >> (3leftturns)

<< The competition was also much better in those games >> (Drop Curve)

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The only time Paige Parker pitched poorly in her last seven outings (Tulsa, Auburn, Baylor, Washington, Oregon, Florida and Florida again) was in that final game. She started the final game (the day after the 17 inning game) and gave up 3 earned runs in just 1.2 innings pitched. She never seemed to have command of her pitches - and her stuff just didn't have its usual sizzle... in that game. I believe she was emotionally and physically drained from that amazing game the night before. 

In the 17 inning game... Parker pitched very well - but was exceptionally unfortunate.
Parker came in relief of Lowary (who pitched the first five innings). Parker started the bottom of the 6th inning - right after Nicole Mendes had hit an eye level rise ball off of Barnhill over the right field fence to give Oklahoma a 2-1 lead in the top of the 6th. In her first inning, Parker struck out both Lorenz and Kvistad swinging - and then got DeWitt on a pop up to 2b.

Parker began the bottom of the 7th by walking Wheaton on a 3-2 pitch (one might say she was squeezed by the ump). Ocasio grounded into a FC to 2b. Clemens popped up to SS. So now Reynoso was up with two outs and a runner on first base - and the count was 3-2. She hit a pop fly to medium/shallow left center field that would have been caught for the third out to end the game probably 99% of the time. But Oklahoma had their outfielders playing right on the edge of the track (which was TOO deep) and Reynoso ends up with a pop fly "double"... and Parker gets charged with an earned run - instead of getting the save. 

Parker threw a good pitch - and it resulted in a weakly hit ball. Parker did her job very well on that pitch. If it were up to me... the Oklahoma coaching staff would be charged with that ER... for playing their OF too deep.

The point is... although it goes in the record books as a ER that Parker gave up (in a crucial situation) - I put 99% of the fault for that ER on the Oklahoma coaching staff, NOT Paige Parker. 

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Parker then pitches a scoreless 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th inning. So she has pitched 5 scoreless innings (and what should have been a scoreless 7th as well) which would have made it six scoreless innings (from the 6th through the 11th). 

After Aviu's two run HR in the top of the 12th... Parker starts off the bottom of the 12th with a BB to Roberts. Then Reynoso singles into RF. So Florida has runners on first and second with nobody out. But... Parker gets Swertfager to pop up to the catcher in foul territory on a bunt attempt. Then she strikes out Hoover swinging. So with two outs and runners on first and second... Lorenz is coming up to the plate. 

Against Parker... Lorenz had struck out swinging, hit a line shot into right center for a single (she was thrown out at second going for a double), and popped up to the catcher in foul territory. 

Against Lowary... Lorenz had grounded out to second base - and popped out to SS in foul ground. 

Gasso decided to bring Lowary back in to face Lorenz. At the time, I was thinking I would have left Parker in. She had just got a pop up and then a K. 

After getting ahead of Lorenz 1-2, Lowary left her next pitch a bit too much over the plate - and Lorenz hit a line shot into the left center gap - to tie the game.

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So... officially - Parker gets charged with 3 ER in this game. But the one in the 7th inning was hardly her fault. And the two in the 12th inning scored when Lowary f---ed up a 1-2 pitch. 

Parker pitched great. She gave up just three singles in her 6 and 2/3 innings (plus that pop fly "double"). 

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In the previous game vs. Oregon...
Parker had a two hit shutout going into the 5th inning. She struck out the lead off batter and got the next hitter on a pop up to SS. 
Now Parker had a two hitter with two outs and nobody on in the 5th. 
Then Lilley got a single through the right side...
and then on a 3-2 pitch, Mercado hit a forehead high rise ball on the nose - and dropped it about a foot over the right field fence for a two run HR. 
It wasn't even a bad pitch. Mercado did a fantastic job getting the barrel of her bat on that pitch. 

Again, Parker was pretty darn great in this game.

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In the game vs. Washington... 
Parker had given up just one single in the 3rd - and one BB in the 5th... 
She had a one hit shutout going in the 6th inning.
The only run Parker would give up happened when Ali Aguilar hit a Parker change up
for a HR on a 3-2 pitch. Aguilar crushed that pitch. 
It looked like she knew it was coming. 

Again, Parker pitched great.

Each of these games were against the best competition the NCAA had to offer vs. Oklahoma. 

These teams ended the season ranked #2, #3 and #4. 

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Btw... in the game before Washington - Parker gave up zero ER in 6 IP against Baylor (the #7 ranked team).

And in the game before that... Parker gave up zero ER in 7 IP against Auburn (the 7th ranked team in RPI when the tournament started).

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She pitched very well against great competition (with the exception of her last outing). 
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In the previous game vs. Oregon...
Parker had a one hit shutout going into the 5th inning.
Two hits through four, five through five with the two earnies
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<< Two hits through four, five through five with the two earnies >> (3leftturns)

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You are right. I had it as a one hitter through four innings vs. Oregon... 
but it was actually a two hitter through 4 and 2/3 innings. 

I edited it to correct that mistake...

"In the previous game vs. Oregon...
Parker had a two hit shutout going into the 5th inning. She struck out the lead off batter and got the next hitter on a pop up to SS. 
Now Parker had a two hitter with two outs and nobody on in the 5th. 
Then Lilley got a single through the right side...
and then on a 3-2 pitch, Mercado hit a forehead high rise ball on the nose - and dropped it about a foot over the right field fence for a two run HR. 
It wasn't even a bad pitch. Mercado did a fantastic job getting the barrel of her bat on that pitch." 
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That's a function of recruiting more than coaching in my opinion.  I do think Auburn was going after a different pitching coach.  As I said, thus the interim tag on Hunter.


That's a smart "different pitching coach."   No point jumping into that pigpen.

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Tannon Snow posts on her social media that she is "fully cleared" to play again.  She will have to take a physical once she gets back to school before she is cleared to get on the field, but it looks like she will be good to go.   She was having some wonderful sessions at the plate shortly before she had to deal with her medical issues.  I am happy for her.  I'm sure that was a tough thing to deal with.

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Looking forward to having both Snow sisters on the Plains!

http://www.oanow.com/sports/college/auburn/softball/auburn-softball-s-tannon-snow-says-she-s-fully-cleared/article_ec4f25f4-7663-11e7-a5a0-9bc38cfe8b49.html

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Auburn lost their big bats from last season, so they need some younger players to step up and getting Tannon back should help!
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Auburn is relying on underclassmen for almost all of their offense next year. 2018 will probably be an off year for them.
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Auburn is relying on underclassmen for almost all of their offense next year. 2018 will probably be an off year for them.


It's not like the offense blew it up last season. Pitching will be better and I think hitting will be better overall. Auburn lost 3 really good players, but none of them exactly lit it up last year...well I guess Fagan did...
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Auburn is relying on underclassmen for almost all of their offense next year. 2018 will probably be an off year for them.


Clint is counting on his pitching to carry the team while they figure out who can hit...
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It's not like the offense blew it up last season. Pitching will be better and I think hitting will be better overall. Auburn lost 3 really good players, but none of them exactly lit it up last year...well I guess Fagan did...


Carlee Wallace was probably Auburn's most consistent hitter last season...
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