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Slam

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What is the difference in play between the ASA Womens Major on the east coast and the ASA Womens A tournament on the west coast? What is the link to west coast tournament anyway?

A.S.A. Women's Major National Championships, Amherst, NY

  • Amherst Collision - Amherst, NY
  • Amherst Lightening Brooks - Amherst, NY
  • Amherst Lightening Gold - Amherst, NY
  • Brakettes - Stratford, CT
  • Lady Explorers - Midland, MI
  • NY Freedom - Babylon, NY
  • Sandlot - Amherst, NY
  • SoCal Hurricanes - Irvine, CA
  • St Louis Saints - St. Louis, MO
  • TC Tremors - Endicott, NY
  • Topton VIP's - Helletron, PA
  • Williamsville South 04 - Amherst, NY
  • WNY Extreme - Orchard Park, NY

 

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SLAM, I cannot answer your question. However, judging from the entries shown above for the Major Women's ASA Tournament, I would guess that the level of play is pretty close to equal. As a matter of fact other than the Brakettes and the California Team, the "A" Tournament would likely have as much, if not more, talent.
There has been postings on here about the fall-off of the men's game, but if one were to judge the women's softball strictly on the basis of this year's Major women's tournament, you would have to say it is headed in the same direction.

However, the Pro League is now established and with less focus on the National/Olympic Team, one would hope that Women's Softball can continue to improve even if the ASA Women's Tournaments do not.

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Slam

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What I dont understand is WHY so many college freshman would opt to play in 18U gold with all the younger high school players instead of Womans major or Womans A where they could compete against the more experienced players. That would put a lot more teams in the womens league. Maybe having the 23U Nationals at the same time and place as the 18U Gold tournament would cause more to want to play in the upper age group. Without the college players in 18U Gold they still would have no problem getting the 64 teams.

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No rules that omit them so college frosh & rising sophs are needed to win ASA Gold Nationals, most teams using them to compete...& it is all about winning...& the coaches egos now isn't it?

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playa - you hit the nail on the head and it is a shame.  But, it is what it is and no rules have been broken based on curent standards.  It is all about winning and the ole coaches egos - nice huh....????  

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Originally Posted by Slam

What is the difference in play between the ASA Womens Major on the east coast and the ASA Womens A tournament on the west coast? What is the link to west coast tournament anyway?

A.S.A. Women's Major National Championships, Amherst, NY

  • Amherst Collision - Amherst, NY
  • Amherst Lightening Brooks - Amherst, NY
  • Amherst Lightening Gold - Amherst, NY
  • Brakettes - Stratford, CT
  • Lady Explorers - Midland, MI
  • NY Freedom - Babylon, NY
  • Sandlot - Amherst, NY
  • SoCal Hurricanes - Irvine, CA
  • St Louis Saints - St. Louis, MO
  • TC Tremors - Endicott, NY
  • Topton VIP's - Helletron, PA
  • Williamsville South 04 - Amherst, NY
  • WNY Extreme - Orchard Park, NY

 



As far as I can tell it's two things. 

1) The Majors have the Brakettes and they win the championship each year.

2) Cost.  Because the Brakettes are in New England the Majors are held there every summer.  Most of the west coast teams don't want to spend the money to travel across the country for nationals.  In fact, as you can see by the "A" in Salem, Oregon, most of the Southern California teams don't want to travel to Oregon.

There are no qualifiers for Women's Open level National championships.  As far as I know if your team wants to attend they can attend.  The Scorpions where my daughter plays has a vote somewhere during the summer to decide if they want to go.  This year they decided to go but had to borrow players from other teams to make a roster as only about half decided to go.


As to why 18u players play gold insted of Open:  It's a very different mindset.  While the talent level at Open is very high, the coaches and teams play at a very different level.  It's more relaxed and not frantic like Gold.  Much more mellow.  The majority of players on the Scorpions, for example, are "grannies."  (Grannies are women who have completed their college career.  We even have players' children hanging out in the dugout.  It's real different, if you're not ready for it.

Also, since there are no qualifiers you play all summer without travelling, except for Nationals.  At least it's that way for those of us in So. Cal.

Some people have a hard time adjusting to the slower pace of not playing every weekend and traveling all over the country to qualify for nationals.  I believe that many, especially parents, aren't ready for the pace to change.  As a parent I love it.  No more Best Western weekends!

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Three of the four teams left in the winner's bracket are the three entered from the league here in So. Cal., Scorpions, Condors and Gold Rush.  They're joined by Nor Cal's Heat.
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While the Goldrush competed in the Worth Cup, they are a NorCal team. Talent laden to be sure and one of teams capable of winning it all.

A laid back attitude certainly permeates the women's division both in league play and here at nationals. However, each at bat, each ground ball, each line drive, heck, every pitch is contested and serious business. There are just more smiles, snickers, friendly trash talk, etc. amongst the competitors. Most have friends, perhaps even teamates on the opposing squads and the game is played with equal precision, just not succumbing to equal pressure, of the college game.

Is it as precise without all that pressure, well, I just watched a game that fit the bill of an old-school fastpitch contest. Low scoring, excellent pitching, some small ball, great fielding and base running. Looked good to me.

See ya tomorrow!

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CoachZ

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The location of the Brakettes has nothing to do with the location of the tournament.  Also, it is not held in New England every year (unless they moved the state of Alabama a few years ago when I wasn't  looking).  To my knowledge, ASA Nationals is awarded based on who bids and can provide a facility (much like NCAA Regionals).  Unfortunately, with the exception of the Hurricanes, the west coast teams seem content to separate themselves.  With travel prices being what they are, this year the separation is understandable.  But this is not the first year that they have decided to do their own thing.  Sadly, it does water down the competition which makes you wonder why they bother to play at all if not to compete with all the best teams?  It would make the women's league at least more interesting and possibly lure some of the college freshmen away from 18's if the level of competition improved. 
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