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DunninLA

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If Az's next level of acceptance is that the fans should just be happy with them making regionals, I'm done with them.
 you tell 'em.  Just as an aside, look what Ford has done at ASU.   Look what Myers did before that.  Coaching is critical.   How a coach performed (that includes recruiting, hiring, and leadership) in their thirties and forties really isn't relevant, or at least shouldn't be.   How a coach performed a decade ago shouldn't be relevant.  You guys have a good coach but your program deserves a great coach.

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UCLA  also got beaten by Lee. Lost a share of the conference by losing that game. Lee has a new coach that knows how to call a game. Wait to next year. 

Just incredible that that is what cost UCLA a banner
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Yep, all you have to do is ask them. [biggrin]




Or play them. 
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I think there are many teams that have girls who sit all 4 years and don’t really deserve a chance to play.

I agree that he didn’t appear as though he cared if they won that last Stanford game. When he started the pitcher who never started before I thought he must have had the seeding down to a science and knew he wouldn’t drop if he lost. Apparently that was not the case

As far as Joelle, she was distraught and sobbing at one point so he would have been foolish to have her play in that condition. However once she pulled herself together maybe he could have put her in then. But then part way through the game he was probably thinking oh crap we might actually lose to this crappy team

I’m still trying to figure out how McQ is the ace and had Denham not transferred there who the heck was going to pitch with McQ. Why are they not recruiting pitchers? Perhaps nobody wanted to go there with his coaching staff

Time for Candrea to retire. The game has passed him up.
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I think there are many teams that have girls who sit all 4 years and don’t really deserve a chance to play.

I agree that he didn’t appear as though he cared if they won that last Stanford game. When he started the pitcher who never started before I thought he must have had the seeding down to a science and knew he wouldn’t drop if he lost. Apparently that was not the case

As far as Joelle, she was distraught and sobbing at one point so he would have been foolish to have her play in that condition. However once she pulled herself together maybe he could have put her in then. But then part way through the game he was probably thinking oh crap we might actually lose to this crappy team

I’m still trying to figure out how McQ is the ace and had Denham not transferred there who the heck was going to pitch with McQ. Why are they not recruiting pitchers? Perhaps nobody wanted to go there with his coaching staff

Time for Candrea to retire. The game has passed him up.



Yes...why are they not recruiting like 2-3 pitchers at a time?

Juarez from ASU was originally an Az commit...how Candrea let her get away to Ford when she was at Fresno, I will never know, but sheesh...major blunder.
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some pitchers like to hit also.   I wonder how many pitchers Candrea has lost by his insistence on pitchers only pitching and never hitting.

I don't think "the game has passed him by", but I do think that he hasn't kept up with changes in youth softball, and ultimately if he has not consistently landed top 10 recruiting classes, it means he personally (not Evans) has never really developed great relationships with the great PGF feeder programs.

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some pitchers like to hit also.   I wonder how many pitchers Candrea has lost by his insistence on pitchers only pitching and never hitting.

I don't think "the game has passed him by", but I do think that he hasn't kept up with changes in youth softball, and ultimately if he has not consistently landed top 10 recruiting classes, it means he personally (not Evans) has never really developed great relationships with the great PGF feeder programs.


Didn't Estella Pinon hit? And that lady now at CSF, Trish Parks? That wasn't so long ago...

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Didn't Estella Pinon hit? And that lady now at CSF, Trish Parks? That wasn't so long ago...


Az has had a ton of pitchers who also swung a mean stick. Perhaps Nancy Evans was more valuable than anyone thought but that was 10 years ago so what's the excuse now?
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\ Perhaps Nancy Evans was more valuable than anyone thought but that was 10 years ago so what's the excuse now?
maybe Candrea doesn't like recruiting, and without Evans or someone who pounds the recruiting trail like she did, results are not the same.

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Hopefully she works on that illegal pitch issue before she comes!!!
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Boy has Arizona softball fallen off the map.  Five years ago i would have had 30 replies by now.  Why is it nobody cares any more about Arizona softball?


Bring back Jesse Wildcat!
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Hopefully she works on that illegal pitch issue before she comes!!!


if they ever call an illegal pitch.
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Why is it nobody cares any more about Arizona softball?.
This really deserves a separate thread, but I'd like to answer you with something I discovered by accident yesterday.

I was looking into past years and how the Selection Committee used or didn't use RPI as the deciding criterion.  I found a post I had authored from 2009, entitled "Why isn't Arizona hosting a regional?"  I was curious and still trying to understand why their RPI didn't govern that decision.

By here's my point... within that thread, somebody posted a quote from Mike Candrea, which leads me to respond to your question with Because Candrea himself by his own words is "too old to figh the battle".

Here is a link to the thread from 2009:  http://robocoach.websitetoolbox.com/post/why-is-arizona-not-hosting-3471738?pid=35524892    and here is the quote that is relevant in post #22:  "
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Candrea said he was "too old to fight the battle" about why the NCAA was concerned with saving money with its seedings.



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So, Candrea is now nine years older than when those words came out of his mouth.   I cared more about whether Arizona got a fair shake than he did, apparently.  

So there you have it, you have a coach that is too tired, been doing the same thing too long, is in a rut, and by his demeanor, is probably bored.   He should have retired the year those words came out of his mouth.  

Without Janet Evans pulling in the star recruits, you guys have a talent deficit.  And you don't think star recruits and their advisors take a look at Candrea, then take a look at Walton, Gasso, White, KIP, Tarr, Murphy, Torina, now Ford, and don't see a difference in enthusiasm, in vision, in likeability?  Of course they do.  And without a trip to the WCWS since 2010, the history of success of the program is not enough to overcome the unattractive impression caused by your coach.

Am I the only one on here who sees this?

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Am I the only one on here who sees this?


I see a decline in the Zona program also. But consider his past 9 years of experience since that statement. Hoping for something better from the Old Pueblo.

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I see a decline in the Zona program also. But consider his past 9 years of experience since that statement. Hoping for something better from the Old Pueblo.



It's tough to put an exact finger on it that's for sure.
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DunninLA, Were you the one bad mouthing Tucson a while back?
I was the one who wrote that bar hopping cannot be the major attaction for PSAs.  

Look, I used to think Westwood, Santa Monica, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, etc. were great places.   I avoid them now.   As I've gotton older, I've grown to dislike crowds, traffic, noise, waiting in line, .  But PSA's are still young and like all that action.

Which underscores my point... Wildcats need a coach that players want to go out of their way to play for more than programs in college towns that are more "sexy" in the broad sense.  There's just a lot more outside of the team environment to attract students to Westwood, Berkeley, Knoxville, Eugene, Gainesville, Tuscaloosa, etc.   Tucson can join Norman, Waco, and a few other places that just aren't known as exciting places to live for four years from a high school student's point of view.   However, Gasso overcame that issue because PSAs have learned players love to play for her, and her teams have been hugely successful.   Candrea just ain't an attraction any more.  Were he a politician he'd have to settle for write in votes.   UCLA's coach has image issues as well, but Westwood and UCLA are attractive enough to 15 yr. olds to make them overlook that.

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Without Janet Evans

Am I the only one on here who sees this?


You mean Nancy Evans?[biggrin]

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Nice to get that first win.  St. Francis is a good team and i was nervous before the game.

Also nice to see the players seem more interested and more involved in the dugout.

Hopefully we can get the second win today.

i also hope our batting improves.  Not good.  And where were all the fans yesterday, especially in the outfield?

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5 zip Az headed bottom 6 vs Bison
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I believe she also has 17 shut outs this season.
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Settle down, Denhem.
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Good for Taylor McQuillin.... maybe she exorcised some demons with that awesome performance
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Great to see TM shut it down!
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Great to see TM shut it down!


I missed it...driving home from Desert Hot Springs and espn problems then buffering the rest of the way.

Good for her...perhaps a corner, however small, has been turned this past week🤗
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It's tough to put an exact finger on it that's for sure.


Didn’t Arizona used to attract a lot of high-level recruits because the head coach was the Olympic coach, so they wanted to play for him in hopes that they’d get a chance to play for the USA? Or because they had continued exposure to him through playing at the high international level?

Well, that’s not a factor anymore.
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Didn’t Arizona used to attract a lot of high-level recruits because the head coach was the Olympic coach, so they wanted to play for him in hopes that they’d get a chance to play for the USA? Or because they had continued exposure to him through playing at the high international level?

Well, that’s not a factor anymore.



Possibly?  but have they flocked to USFloridA since Erikson has been the coach? he's been the USA coach since 2011 I believe.  Haven't seen USF in the WCWS since 2012.
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Different deal.... A) USF is still a mid-major and B) softball hasn't been an Olympic sport

USF having EVER been to OKC though, is some indication that there was an allure
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Different deal.... A) USF is still a mid-major and B) softball hasn't been an Olympic sport

USF having EVER been to OKC though, is some indication that there was an allure


True about being an Olympic sport. but from what I've seen girls still want to play for the USA team. a few don't.
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