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you can't make a second transfer without sitting, right?


Taylor Simpson played at Nebraska, Missouri, and Colorado. Did not sit. Volleyball, but the same transfer rules apply.
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I agree on Iveson.  Not only is she not a pitching coach but she is a bad pitch caller as well.  Was McQuillin told to throw those pitches (I doubt it) or was Iveson unwilling to see her pitcher was not on?
Toole had every other pitch as a change up.  When throwing it that often in the first inning and the opponent knows she throws it for a strike it is pretty easy to figure out you have a problem.

Toole had her mother as her pitching coach.  The others have gone two to three years with no one who can immediately spot a form problem.  I think they all are/were quality pitchers.  But with no coach they are in serious trouble. McQuillin is young and thinks she can overpower and win.  Not in the PAC-12 or playoffs.  Bowling was good for a few innings, like a middle reliever, and could usually get through the line up at least once. Floyd is the unusual one.  Got only one start I believe and threw a perfect game.  Closed against Utah as they whopped us and had two quick innings.  Ended the year with a zero era and no home runs. Sounds like a closer to me.  Yet she could not buy time.  She did not get even a courtesy inning at the end of the year.  To me with a zero era you throw them until that changes.  Opposing teams would not be used to her style.  Was she not ready?  That is the coaches fault because the stats say otherwise.

Yes, if you a future college pitcher I would be worried about going to Arizona.  No pitching coach.  No chance to bat or contribute otherwise as Mike does not like his pitchers batting.  Then Mike goes out and brings in pitchers for two years.  You can't sit and wait for your turn when the likelihood is someone else Mike likes better is going to be bought in.  And gosh only knows what each of these pitchers were told as to how they are the next star.  He will have five pitchers next year and the rumor is that he is bring in a sixth.  Four of those six pitchers are heading toward a miserable existence, especially when you add in that Mike picks his favorite pitcher and for the second half of the year rides them until they are not at their best.

Mike is to blame as much as anyone else for the poor development.  His coaches appear to be yes people that just tell Mike what he want to hear.  Players I know are miserable as I hear about it from their parents, many of which hate the place. Fortunately the kids know what a wonderful school Arizona is so they stay rather than transfer.  Mike can recruit but mot develop.  Mike cannot coach batting. Mike does not mentor these kids otherwise they would go talk to him about their issues.  Add in Stacey and the result should not be surprising.  It is a mess.

And what also bugs me is how Mike handled the super regional losses.  For the first loss he blamed the players who he said should have made the play.  Regarding the final loss Mike said it was a staff decision to change the pitcher.  When was the last time Mike gave credit to his staff?  Doesn't happen.  Then Mike the politician goes tot he television station reporter and tells him he may have a surprise for next year.  Way to go Mike.  Get people off of it and get them thinking about next year. 

The problem is much bigger than Stacey and Kaitlain. Neither were there all the years since our last appearance in 2010.  Even Mike said this was one of the most talented teams he has had in years.  Four pitchers he said all of which had proven they could pitch at top division one.  I agree with the fan consensus this was the most talented team since 2001.  2001!  Four going into the pros.  Regional ballots just came out.  Five of our players first team and two on the second team.  Three national team players.  A third grade coach could take them to the playoffs.  Oh wait...wasn't Stacey a third grade or fifth grade teacher?

Lute stayed too long as basketball coach.  Mike is out of touch with his own team and should be gracefully retired.  There is too much misery on this team.


How's it going, Nancy Evans?😊
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I agree on Iveson.  Not only is she not a pitching coach but she is a bad pitch caller as well.  Was McQuillin told to throw those pitches (I doubt it) or was Iveson unwilling to see her pitcher was not on?
Toole had every other pitch as a change up.  When throwing it that often in the first inning and the opponent knows she throws it for a strike it is pretty easy to figure out you have a problem.

Toole had her mother as her pitching coach.  The others have gone two to three years with no one who can immediately spot a form problem.  I think they all are/were quality pitchers.  But with no coach they are in serious trouble. McQuillin is young and thinks she can overpower and win.  Not in the PAC-12 or playoffs.  Bowling was good for a few innings, like a middle reliever, and could usually get through the line up at least once. Floyd is the unusual one.  Got only one start I believe and threw a perfect game.  Closed against Utah as they whopped us and had two quick innings.  Ended the year with a zero era and no home runs. Sounds like a closer to me.  Yet she could not buy time.  She did not get even a courtesy inning at the end of the year.  To me with a zero era you throw them until that changes.  Opposing teams would not be used to her style.  Was she not ready?  That is the coaches fault because the stats say otherwise.

Yes, if you a future college pitcher I would be worried about going to Arizona.  No pitching coach.  No chance to bat or contribute otherwise as Mike does not like his pitchers batting.  Then Mike goes out and brings in pitchers for two years.  You can't sit and wait for your turn when the likelihood is someone else Mike likes better is going to be bought in.  And gosh only knows what each of these pitchers were told as to how they are the next star.  He will have five pitchers next year and the rumor is that he is bring in a sixth.  Four of those six pitchers are heading toward a miserable existence, especially when you add in that Mike picks his favorite pitcher and for the second half of the year rides them until they are not at their best.

Mike is to blame as much as anyone else for the poor development.  His coaches appear to be yes people that just tell Mike what he want to hear.  Players I know are miserable as I hear about it from their parents, many of which hate the place. Fortunately the kids know what a wonderful school Arizona is so they stay rather than transfer.  Mike can recruit but mot develop.  Mike cannot coach batting. Mike does not mentor these kids otherwise they would go talk to him about their issues.  Add in Stacey and the result should not be surprising.  It is a mess.

And what also bugs me is how Mike handled the super regional losses.  For the first loss he blamed the players who he said should have made the play.  Regarding the final loss Mike said it was a staff decision to change the pitcher.  When was the last time Mike gave credit to his staff?  Doesn't happen.  Then Mike the politician goes tot he television station reporter and tells him he may have a surprise for next year.  Way to go Mike.  Get people off of it and get them thinking about next year. 

The problem is much bigger than Stacey and Kaitlain. Neither were there all the years since our last appearance in 2010.  Even Mike said this was one of the most talented teams he has had in years.  Four pitchers he said all of which had proven they could pitch at top division one.  I agree with the fan consensus this was the most talented team since 2001.  2001!  Four going into the pros.  Regional ballots just came out.  Five of our players first team and two on the second team.  Three national team players.  A third grade coach could take them to the playoffs.  Oh wait...wasn't Stacey a third grade or fifth grade teacher?

Lute stayed too long as basketball coach.  Mike is out of touch with his own team and should be gracefully retired.  There is too much misery on this team.


I'm one of those parents you like to 'quote' and I have heard enough of this baloney. You are mostly entirely wrong in your cause/effect analysis. With all due respect I suggest you go back to being silent and change your handle to 'silent_again'. Your comments and remarks serve only to inflame. Knock it off. Find something good to say for once.

William (Bill) Bowling

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I'm one of those parents you like to 'quote' and I have heard enough of this baloney. You are mostly entirely wrong in your cause/effect analysis. With all due respect I suggest you go back to being silent and change your handle to 'silent_again'. Your comments and remarks serve only to inflame. Knock it off. Find something good to say for once.

William (Bill) Bowling



My daughter had the pleasure of facing Nancy once in high school and still is proud of the flare she managed to send barely to the grass in short center.  Phenomenal pitcher.  Don't know what went on at AZ but in SoCal, she was amazing.
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I'm one of those parents you like to 'quote' and I have heard enough of this baloney. You are mostly entirely wrong in your cause/effect analysis. With all due respect I suggest you go back to being silent and change your handle to 'silent_again'. Your comments and remarks serve only to inflame. Knock it off. Find something good to say for once.

William (Bill) Bowling



Ive been around a lot of parents and fans this season and I do not get the impression that silent_no_more is trying to impress upon us.

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I'm one of those parents you like to 'quote' and I have heard enough of this baloney. You are mostly entirely wrong in your cause/effect analysis. With all due respect I suggest you go back to being silent and change your handle to 'silent_again'. Your comments and remarks serve only to inflame. Knock it off. Find something good to say for once.

William (Bill) Bowling

your daughter is so resilient, sir. Congratulations
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You could see that coming a mile away. You could see it on her face every time she pitched. She was done there.


So she did leave? What, she move out middle of the night...you'd think that cause a minor ripple on this forum...she was big time recruit for the 2016 class. Wonder where she'll end up?
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So she did leave? What, she move out middle of the night...you'd think that cause a minor ripple on this forum...she was big time recruit for the 2016 class. Wonder where she'll end up?
perhaps a smaller school in fla, or a not-so - small school in fla
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I'm no detective 3left
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Actually, she is not pursuing any Florida schools at this time. But yes, she asked for her release at her exit meeting. Eventually it was granted. She is considering some possibilities, but has not chosen a new home yet.
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Actually, she is not pursuing any Florida schools at this time. But yes, she asked for her release at her exit meeting. Eventually it was granted. She is considering some possibilities, but has not chosen a new home yet.



Who are you guys talking about?  I missed it.
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Is this the third pitcher from Florida--Osorio? Get the pitcher from Alabama and the pitcher from Florida names mixed up.
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Ocasio Florida
Osorio Alabama
Yep both have the same first and last initial and both juniors
Imagine if they played on the same team
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Who are you guys talking about?  I missed it.


Parker Conrad-MZ pitcher
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Actually, she is not pursuing any Florida schools at this time. But yes, she asked for her release at her exit meeting. Eventually it was granted. She is considering some possibilities, but has not chosen a new home yet.


Thanks CoachZ. I'm still surprised that didn't get more coverage. Sure she can help somebody.
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She will be a force somewhere. It didn't get any coverage because I haven't seen a mizzou thread on here in ages and that would be where it would be posted. Im guessing maybe some of the mizzou fans lost some hope after last year's debacle and this year's struggles.
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I can't WAIT to see how this plays out.  I know a So Cal school that she was going to, but that school did not give her money so she did not sign.  Good for her!!!
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A few haters weighing in here. These are a few things I learned on this thread and similar ones dealing with Arizona.

1. I heard Candrea doesn't own up to his mistakes.
2. I heard Iveson has to go.
3. I heard Lowe needs to go.
4. I heard Evans should come back as the pitching coach. Wasn't she involved in some inappropriate sh*t? Ahh, but an AD or two removed and we can look beyond that.
5a. The Oregon Ducks, if they played in Hillenbrand, would have thrice the dingers the Cats did - in any year. 
5b. Katiyana Mauga hits pop flies that go over the 220 fence, only in Tucson.
5c. Lauren Chamberlain would have hit a gazillion dingers if she would've gotten 20 her freshman year AND if she didn't hurt her back.
6. The players are not happy, nor are their parents. Arizona recruits parents? Starting when?

Eh. I'll continue later. I have to get a beer.





You forget that Chamberlain played in a much weaker conference and hit dingers against pitchers who could have never pitched in a PAC10 School.
So what ever you say about the "Air" in Tucson allowing balls to magically fly over the fence - consider the pitchers each are facing. Both are talented girls and have accomplished a lot - so leave it at that.

I don't know how you can say, players aren't happy there. Seems like O'Toole and Mauga were genuinely upset there time wearing an Arizona jersey was over - at least that's what they said - but you may know better than them?

Candrea is loyal to his staff, to a fault and they are letting him down, not intentionally -but by the mere fact that they are way over their ski's, and have nothing to contribute to help BUILD a better team.

Iveson and Lowe, are supposed to be out there recruiting, discovering new talent - but instead, they take a short cut by just calling Rico, Tyson or Stith - and although those travel teams have some of the countries more talented players, those players are committing to other schools who have much better programs, stadiums and coaches - leaving Arizona to take whats left.

I can't say this enough, if I had a daughter who pitched and she was good enough to be recruited by the top 25 programs in the country - sending her to Arizona where they have no one on staff to help her grow as a pitcher, help her develop new pitches, help her refine her techniques, and give her solid feedback and correction when things are going wrong - Arizona would be my last choice.  

They have Iveson who when crap goes wrong with one of their pitchers in a game, she  runs out to the circle, with her little security blanket note book in hand, and opens it up and starts pointing out notes! What happened to looking the pitcher in the eye, telling her "She's Got This" or "Pull Your Head Out and Pitch -Like You know How to", or any other phrases, tips, corrections that a pitcher who is pressing, can trust, comprehend and apply?

It's not Iveson's fault she is a lousy coach. I think she tries hard and cares, but it's simply not working. They are losing pitching recruits, because of her -guaranteed.




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And how in the HELL did Iveson become; Co-Head Coach anyway?
What a friggen disaster she is and always has been.

She needs to saddle up, and head back to the Yavapai Indian Reservation, where she was "somebody" there -because in her current role, she is bringing this program down.

I'm not against women coaches at all, but Iveson is no; Gasso, Hutch, Alameda, Inouye-Perez, Tarr and never will be.

She is just Iveson, the note-book-carrying, insecure, inexperienced, sloppy, not respected, no talent, Juco Coach, that somehow made it to the big leagues and has no idea of what she is doing there -and it shows...

If this program ever ended up on her lap, and she was named head coach - get ready for a much worse version of what happened to ASU, when Myers left. There is not a top player in the country, who would commit to a program with the likes of her at the helm. 

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Blue Sky:
When O'Toole pitched against Baylor who called the pitches?
When McQuillin relieved O'Toole who called the pitches?
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I DOUBT ANYONE TOLD MCQUILLAN TO THROW FASTBALLS DOWN THE MIDDLE [smile]
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Blue Sky:
When O'Toole pitched against Baylor who called the pitches?
When McQuillin relieved O'Toole who called the pitches?


Iveson does.

4 Change Up, in one AB to Baylor Catcher who is a .190 hitter - resulted in a hit down the line and scored a couple runs.
Why she feels that a sub .200 hitter, needs to be pitched this creatively and outside normal common sense, is beyond me.
Iveson doesn't know what she is doing, and has NO FEEL for the game.
She might as well be doing "Rock, Paper, Scissors" when determining what pitch to call next.

Iverson playing Rock, Paper Scissors:
1-2-3 Rock,  - Dang, I lost to paper!
1-2-3 Rock - Dang, I lost to paper again!
1-2-3 Rock - Dang, I lost to paper once again!
1-2-3 Rock - again lost to Paper!

Hmm, I wonder how I keep getting beat at this game -it's like they know what I'm going to do, before I do it?   

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I DOUBT ANYONE TOLD MCQUILLAN TO THROW FASTBALLS DOWN THE MIDDLE [smile]


Agreed, but there is no strategy or sequencing based on what the batter is doing -with Iveson.

HoHum - how about another Change Up, and another, and another and another...Whoops, Hit down the line -scores two!
"It's the pitchers fault"! 



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I'm one of those parents you like to 'quote' and I have heard enough of this baloney. You are mostly entirely wrong in your cause/effect analysis. With all due respect I suggest you go back to being silent and change your handle to 'silent_again'. Your comments and remarks serve only to inflame. Knock it off. Find something good to say for once.

William (Bill) Bowling



I don't ever reveal sources, even if it was you (which I am not saying it is).

Nice to have a parent come on and speak up.  You have the inside story so please tell us the reality.

I think we all would like to hear your side.  Please tell us whether the program satisfied your expectations of what you expected to happen after your daughter joined the team.  Please tell us specific examples of things that happened that you belief went above and beyond.  Please tell us specific examples of where the program let you down.


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Iveson does.

4 Change Up, in one AB to Baylor Catcher who is a .190 hitter - resulted in a hit down the line and scored a couple runs.
Why she feels that a sub .200 hitter, needs to be pitched this creatively and outside normal common sense, is beyond me.
Iveson doesn't know what she is doing, and has NO FEEL for the game.
She might as well be doing "Rock, Paper, Scissors" when determining what pitch to call next.

Iverson playing Rock, Paper Scissors:
1-2-3 Rock,  - Dang, I lost to paper!
1-2-3 Rock - Dang, I lost to paper again!
1-2-3 Rock - Dang, I lost to paper once again!
1-2-3 Rock - again lost to Paper!

Hmm, I wonder how I keep getting beat at this game -it's like they know what I'm going to do, before I do it?   


Mike hires her and keeps her on.  He should know what is happening.  Yet no change.  And the result I sit her watching a boring game rather than being excited because we are about to play. 

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I DOUBT ANYONE TOLD MCQUILLAN TO THROW FASTBALLS DOWN THE MIDDLE [smile]


Are you sure?  She did it twice, in a row

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I don't ever reveal sources, even if it was you (which I am not saying it is).

Nice to have a parent come on and speak up.  You have the inside story so please tell us the reality.

I think we all would like to hear your side.  Please tell us whether the program satisfied your expectations of what you expected to happen after your daughter joined the team.  Please tell us specific examples of things that happened that you belief went above and beyond.  Please tell us specific examples of where the program let you down.

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who are you that's the more important question.



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Hey Silentnomore /Swingforthefence (Same person?):

Mr. Bowling weighed in and now you're disrespecting him after you've continued to disrespect the Arizona program. Please don't do that anymore. 

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Blue Sky:
When O'Toole pitched against Baylor who called the pitches?
When McQuillin relieved O'Toole who called the pitches?


I don't know.

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