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Don't tweak, nothing you can can do except show up and cheer on the Cats. If you're not there, send good vibes.

The team isn't perfect to any one us Cats fans, but they had a pretty good year. Won some close games, came from behind a time or three, and played well on the road and neutral.

Outfield looks fine, even without Palomino (she's still an x-factor in the dugout). Perez is focused. Watson appears ready, and God is she fast. Ashleigh is making the plays and has a good bat.

Infield is fine too. Only weakness like you said is that maybe Kati doesn't have the bunt coverage range that LY did. But Reyna, Mo, Deja, and Harper have those tools.

I'd love to see Tooley be effective and keep her pitch count down. She did last weekend. Taylor had a solid last game in the circle.

Seems pretty good to me. Let 'em play, they know how.


They are perfect to Janie [biggrin]
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They are perfect to Janie [biggrin]



Yep...come on now!  I am a DIEHARD lifelong Cats fan since the late 80's!!!!!!!

This IS their year...grab it...or let someone else!
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Tooley with 83 pitches last night. Good.
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Don't tweak, nothing you can can do except show up and cheer on the Cats. If you're not there, send good vibes.

The team isn't perfect to any one us Cats fans, but they had a pretty good year. Won some close games, came from behind a time or three, and played well on the road and neutral.

Outfield looks fine, even without Palomino (she's still an x-factor in the dugout). Perez is focused. Watson appears ready, and God is she fast. Ashleigh is making the plays and has a good bat.

Infield is fine too. Only weakness like you said is that maybe Kati doesn't have the bunt coverage range that LY did. But Reyna, Mo, Deja, and Harper have those tools.

I'd love to see Tooley be effective and keep her pitch count down. She did last weekend. Taylor had a solid last game in the circle.

Seems pretty good to me. Let 'em play, they know how.


Do you want to rethink your previous statement above?  We were exposed and it could be seen long before it happened.

Actually we were embarrassed, and it was not the player's fault.
 



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Do you want to rethink your previous statement above?  We were exposed and it could be seen long before it happened.

Actually we were embarrassed, and it was not the player's fault.
 




Nope. I still believe every word I said. We were scouted well and out coached. Like you said, not the players' fault.

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curious to see what "big surprise" Coach C might have for the upcoming season . . . 

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curious to see what "big surprise" Coach C might have for the upcoming season . . . 



Yes, I'm anxious for that one. And if it's a pitcher, will she come with release in hand?

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Yes, I'm anxious for that one. And if it's a pitcher, will she come with release in hand?


Lets hope . . . . 
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A heartfelt tribute to the 2017 Arizona Wildcats seniors. Good luck to each of you in your lives.


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Another Season for the Cat's ending at Super Regional's! Seems to be a common outcome for a team that was once a familiar face in OKC.
But the question is WHY? Why does it seem they hit a block wall in Super's?
In my opinion, it comes down to coaching. But the coaching I am referring to is Iveson and even Lowe. BOTH these ladies, may seem nice, and I'm sure they care - but neither has ANYTHING to offer this team, in the way of growing, refining skills, game strategies and/or inspiration. They are just taking up space on the coaching roster and in the dugout.
NCAA allows only 3 actual coaches, and with that small of a staff - EVERYONE needs to bring something to the table. In UA Softball's case, two DO NOT.

Simply ask yourself this; If my daughter was an up and coming pitcher, where would I want her to play softball at?

UCLA where there is Lisa Fernandez and Kirk Walker (Men's fastpitch pitcher)
Baylor, where there pitching coach is a former ALL American Pitcher.
Alabama, where there pitching coach is was the pitcher of the year in her college days.
and the list of quality pitching coach staff goes on and on and ....

Arizona has Iveson as their pitching coach! Iveson wasn't even a good catcher in her day, and was an anemic hitter.

With those considerations, every parent of a young pitcher would choose Arizona last, if at all - because they know their daughter won't grow during her time in college.
 
O'Toole was a lucky happenstance and if it wasn't for SDSU coaches driving her away, Arizona would have Michelle, Nancy and McQuillin (who decommitted from OK State at the last minute) Those are the pitchers they actually recruited and would have been forced to go to battle with. Now, I am not picking on those kids, but they aren't the type of pitchers to be leading teams to the WCWS promise land.

Lots of hype about the hitting on this seasons team, but when you look at the recent past and the offensive numbers the 2015 team had, were much better. With years of offense like this, it would seem that OKC should be a common occurrence for the Cat's, but with years of dismal pitching and ZERO growth in that department (as far as instruction goes), Super Regional's may be the end of the road for the Cat's, every year.

2015 Cats:
Batting Avg.351
Home Runs: 104
RBI's .428
SLG% .603

2017 Cats:
Batting Avg.341
Home Runs: 94
RBI's .399
SLG% .583

As far as Lowe goes; There is no NCAA softball team in the country, that NEEDS an outfielding or slapping coach, more than a pitching coach. She may be nice - but she doesn't bring anything to better this team..


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curious to see what "big surprise" Coach C might have for the upcoming season . . . 



Rumor has it that the pitcher may be a certain pitcher out of Auburn who has been in the news lately.  This is just a rumor.  Not certain of the source.

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I think it's SAD that Arizona Softball has to sit around and HOPE, some Hot Shot Pitcher from another College team de-commits and chooses Arizona as the school to transfer to (because the ones that did commit to Arizona out of High School - are not very good - and haven't been for a number of seasons now).

The writing is on the wall, get rid of Iveson - hire a competent pitching coach (think about Nancy Evans in past years), keep the offensive numbers and the Cat's will be back to WCWS.

Parents of High School Pitchers, who are good enough to pitch at a High Level in College will NOT allow their daughters to choose Arizona, because of the pitching coach - or lack of one (Iveson)!

Change that, and SoCal High School pitchers may stop heading to Florida, Alabama, Michigan and Texas when they graduate and head to Arizona instead.

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Another Season for the Cat's ending at Super Regional's! Seems to be a common outcome for a team that was once a familiar face in OKC.
But the question is WHY? Why does it seem they hit a block wall in Super's?
In my opinion, it comes down to coaching. But the coaching I am referring to is Iveson and even Lowe. BOTH these ladies, may seem nice, and I'm sure they care - but neither has ANYTHING to offer this team, in the way of growing, refining skills, game strategies and/or inspiration. They are just taking up space on the coaching roster and in the dugout.
NCAA allows only 3 actual coaches, and with that small of a staff - EVERYONE needs to bring something to the table. In UA Softball's case, two DO NOT.

Simply ask yourself this; If my daughter was an up and coming pitcher, where would I want her to play softball at?

UCLA where there is Lisa Fernandez and Kirk Walker (Men's fastpitch pitcher)
Baylor, where there pitching coach is a former ALL American Pitcher.
Alabama, where there pitching coach is was the pitcher of the year in her college days.
and the list of quality pitching coach staff goes on and on and ....

Arizona has Iveson as their pitching coach! Iveson wasn't even a good catcher in her day, and was an anemic hitter.

With those considerations, every parent of a young pitcher would choose Arizona last, if at all - because they know their daughter won't grow during her time in college.
 
O'Toole was a lucky happenstance and if it wasn't for SDSU coaches driving her away, Arizona would have Michelle, Nancy and McQuillin - who decommitted from OK State (those are the pitchers they actually recruited and would have been forced to go to battle with). Now, I am not picking on those kids, but
they aren't the type to be bringing teams to the WCWS promise land.

Lots of hype about the hitting on this seasons team, but when you look at the recent past and the offensive numbers the 2015 team had, were much better. With years of offense like this, it would seem that OKC should be a common occurrence for the Cat's, but with years of dismal pitching and ZERO growth in that department (as far as instruction goes), Super Regional's may be the end of the road for the Cat's, every year.

2015 Cats:
Batting Avg.351
Home Runs: 104
RBI's .428
SLG% .603

2017 Cats:
Batting Avg.341
Home Runs: 94
RBI's .399
SLG% .583

As far as Lowe goes; There is no NCAA softball team in the country, that NEEDS an outfielding or slapping coach, more than a pitching coach. She may be nice - but she doesn't bring anything to better this team..



I agree on Iveson.  Not only is she not a pitching coach but she is a bad pitch caller as well.  Was McQuillin told to throw those pitches (I doubt it) or was Iveson unwilling to see her pitcher was not on?
Toole had every other pitch as a change up.  When throwing it that often in the first inning and the opponent knows she throws it for a strike it is pretty easy to figure out you have a problem.

Toole had her mother as her pitching coach.  The others have gone two to three years with no one who can immediately spot a form problem.  I think they all are/were quality pitchers.  But with no coach they are in serious trouble. McQuillin is young and thinks she can overpower and win.  Not in the PAC-12 or playoffs.  Bowling was good for a few innings, like a middle reliever, and could usually get through the line up at least once. Floyd is the unusual one.  Got only one start I believe and threw a perfect game.  Closed against Utah as they whopped us and had two quick innings.  Ended the year with a zero era and no home runs. Sounds like a closer to me.  Yet she could not buy time.  She did not get even a courtesy inning at the end of the year.  To me with a zero era you throw them until that changes.  Opposing teams would not be used to her style.  Was she not ready?  That is the coaches fault because the stats say otherwise.

Yes, if you a future college pitcher I would be worried about going to Arizona.  No pitching coach.  No chance to bat or contribute otherwise as Mike does not like his pitchers batting.  Then Mike goes out and brings in pitchers for two years.  You can't sit and wait for your turn when the likelihood is someone else Mike likes better is going to be bought in.  And gosh only knows what each of these pitchers were told as to how they are the next star.  He will have five pitchers next year and the rumor is that he is bring in a sixth.  Four of those six pitchers are heading toward a miserable existence, especially when you add in that Mike picks his favorite pitcher and for the second half of the year rides them until they are not at their best.

Mike is to blame as much as anyone else for the poor development.  His coaches appear to be yes people that just tell Mike what he want to hear.  Players I know are miserable as I hear about it from their parents, many of which hate the place. Fortunately the kids know what a wonderful school Arizona is so they stay rather than transfer.  Mike can recruit but mot develop.  Mike cannot coach batting. Mike does not mentor these kids otherwise they would go talk to him about their issues.  Add in Stacey and the result should not be surprising.  It is a mess.

And what also bugs me is how Mike handled the super regional losses.  For the first loss he blamed the players who he said should have made the play.  Regarding the final loss Mike said it was a staff decision to change the pitcher.  When was the last time Mike gave credit to his staff?  Doesn't happen.  Then Mike the politician goes tot he television station reporter and tells him he may have a surprise for next year.  Way to go Mike.  Get people off of it and get them thinking about next year. 

The problem is much bigger than Stacey and Kaitlain. Neither were there all the years since our last appearance in 2010.  Even Mike said this was one of the most talented teams he has had in years.  Four pitchers he said all of which had proven they could pitch at top division one.  I agree with the fan consensus this was the most talented team since 2001.  2001!  Four going into the pros.  Regional ballots just came out.  Five of our players first team and two on the second team.  Three national team players.  A third grade coach could take them to the playoffs.  Oh wait...wasn't Stacey a third grade or fifth grade teacher?

Lute stayed too long as basketball coach.  Mike is out of touch with his own team and should be gracefully retired.  There is too much misery on this team.

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Another Season for the Cat's ending at Super Regional's! Seems to be a common outcome for a team that was once a familiar face in OKC.
But the question is WHY? Why does it seem they hit a block wall in Super's?
In my opinion, it comes down to coaching. But the coaching I am referring to is Iveson and even Lowe. BOTH these ladies, may seem nice, and I'm sure they care - but neither has ANYTHING to offer this team, in the way of growing, refining skills, game strategies and/or inspiration. They are just taking up space on the coaching roster and in the dugout.
NCAA allows only 3 actual coaches, and with that small of a staff - EVERYONE needs to bring something to the table. In UA Softball's case, two DO NOT.

Simply ask yourself this; If my daughter was an up and coming pitcher, where would I want her to play softball at?

UCLA where there is Lisa Fernandez and Kirk Walker (Men's fastpitch pitcher)
Baylor, where there pitching coach is a former ALL American Pitcher.
Alabama, where there pitching coach is was the pitcher of the year in her college days.
and the list of quality pitching coach staff goes on and on and ....
you missed the best pitching recruiter and coach in okc
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Rumor has it that the pitcher may be a certain pitcher out of Auburn who has been in the news lately.  This is just a rumor.  Not certain of the source.


I have no idea who's been in the news lately....well, Martin was on Work Release for the SEC & NCAA tourney...but wouldn't it be 'truly scrumptious' if it was Carlson. UNC to Auburn to AZ. As long as it's just a rumor...those damn Exit Interviews.
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I have no idea who's been in the news lately....well, Martin was on Work Release for the SEC & NCAA tourney...but wouldn't it be 'truly scrumptious' if it was Carlson. UNC to Auburn to AZ. As long as it's just a rumor...those damn Exit Interviews.
you can't make a second transfer without sitting, right?
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you can't make a second transfer without sitting, right?


I think there is a grad school angle.  No sitting out.
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Have no idea. Lowery & Finucane didn't sit and they went out of Conference. Would a 2nd transfer be allowed...you'd think there would be a penalty for 'job hopping'.
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I have no idea who's been in the news lately....well, Martin was on Work Release for the SEC & NCAA tourney...but wouldn't it be 'truly scrumptious' if it was Carlson. UNC to Auburn to AZ. As long as it's just a rumor...those damn Exit Interviews.


Isn't she one who got popped for 420 with Fagan several weeks back? If so, I doubt Mke would go after that. Osario? Maybe.

On another note, Arizona should bring back Evans and Ray!

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I think there is a grad school angle.  No sitting out.


That's true but you have to have the year available.
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Why would osorio leave Alabama her senior campaign?
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Who are the five pitchers Arizona will have next year?
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Why would osorio leave Alabama her senior campaign?


I see no obvious reason she would. My argument was against Carlson, but I got her confused with the other pitcher that got arrested with HF.

My bad.

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Oh ok that would utterly shock me if she did.
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I asked because before regionals I heard Murphy say something along the lines of osorio said she'll bring another national title to Alabama. So I was wondering what happened between that interview and this week.
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What happened to Parker Conrad/MZ? She just up and left? Not on roster. I must have missed something.
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You could see that coming a mile away. You could see it on her face every time she pitched. She was done there.
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Again, I think it's sad that Arizona fans can only HOPE that some successful pitchers, transfers into Arizona -because the ones they recruit, never work out.

Co-Head Coach Iveson, has GOT TO GO!

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A few haters weighing in here. These are a few things I learned on this thread and similar ones dealing with Arizona.

1. I heard Candrea doesn't own up to his mistakes.
2. I heard Iveson has to go.
3. I heard Lowe needs to go.
4. I heard Evans should come back as the pitching coach. Wasn't she involved in some inappropriate sh*t? Ahh, but an AD or two removed and we can look beyond that.
5a. The Oregon Ducks, if they played in Hillenbrand, would have thrice the dingers the Cats did - in any year. 
5b. Katiyana Mauga hits pop flies that go over the 220 fence, only in Tucson.
5c. Lauren Chamberlain would have hit a gazillion dingers if she would've gotten 20 her freshman year AND if she didn't hurt her back.
6. The players are not happy, nor are their parents. Arizona recruits parents? Starting when?

Eh. I'll continue later. I have to get a beer.




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