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Arizona needed at least two transfers.

They coming hard and fast.

Coach catching this easy fly ball.

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"the academic failures attributed to pitching “great” Amanda Williams set in motion a domino effect that brought about a recruiting and pitching rotation disaster that ultimately led to Arizona having Shelby Babcock as their ace in the circle." by Tucson Citizen reporter, Andy Morales

I think that about sums it up (and I didn't write it)!



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Not so fast, and not so easily convenient.   Candrea had five years after Williams' departure from the UofA to bring in additional pitchers... in particular a strong #2, and never did.  Just the opposite... he ran at least one pitcher off.    Candrea's failure was not putting greater emphasis on the pitcher recruiting the second Williams left, which late January of 2007.   She was effectively off the team before the end of February, 2007.   And we're saying the Arizona pitching problems have not been able to recover since then????
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With top players being recruited <14, that can mean five to six years to recover from a top recruit, especially a pitcher, not panning out. Sometimes the early bird gets the worm; sometimes it gets eaten.

The solution is not to ban early offers, but to make all scholarship offers, once accepted, binding for at least two years, with a one-time opt-out for early commits (before beginning of junior year?). If so, coaches would think twice before offering a 13-year old.
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Lets go coach.

JC player...

We waiting on those transfers.

Enough time has passed

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Candrea signed Cynthia Pelayo this past Sunday. CP will be playing rightfield.
She has good speed and is on a gold glove level.
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In my opinion, the time MC spent with the National/Oympic teams plus the personal loss suffered during that period (understandably) had a lot to do with
MC's lack of focus in recruiting for the Wildcats. Hopefully the criticism he has received these past 2 years will have a positive effect and the Wildcats will shortly challenge once again for top spot.

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 He did say that he would do a better job of recruiting. He added his second new outfielder last week Gemma Contreras who looks to be a lot better than what he had in center and right.
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Candrea signed Cynthia Pelayo this past Sunday. CP will be playing rightfield.
She has good speed and is on a gold glove level.


Gold Glove????
Is that a JOKE?

This kid didn't even make the starting roster at her JUCO, until someone got hurt, and now, in your expert opinion, she is a gold glover?

Have we NOT learned our lesson (with Pinion) that: What ever comes out of a JUCO, maybe shouldn't land on UA's roster? Is this really their source for players that will take them to the WCWS?

News Story excerpt:

In 2012, Cynthia Pelayo was so deep on the Pima College softball bench that by the Aztecs' 12th game, she had one at-bat. It wasn't a team looking for help, either; PCC would go on to finish third in the nation.

On instinct, or out of the kindness of his soul, Pima coach Armando Quiroz gave Pelayo a one-game audition as a starter. She hit a grand slam in her first at-bat.

But it wasn't a star-is-born moment at all. Pelayo didn't play for the next five games. In fact, she didn't start again until the Aztecs' 30th game of the season. Opportunity struck only when a teammate was injured.

"I had to wait a long time.'' Pelayo says now. "I remember thinking, 'I can do this; I just need a chance.

Entire Story here: http://azstarnet.com/sports/softball/greg-hansen-from-pima-tryout-to-ua-tucson-outfielder-defies/article_7cad6184-753b-5cc6-bff1-e6f9569cf7c3.html


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Looking at the list of Pima transfers below (note; aside from UA, there are NO "Competitive Softball Programs" that recruit players from this program, so why is UA looking here for players? Answer: Lazy recruiting practices);

Pima’s Four-Year College Transfers in the Last 3 years

Cameron University (Lawton, Okla.)

• Dominique Marquez (2010)

Drury College (Springfield, Mo.)

• Kristi Shepherd (2012)

Florida International University (Miami)

• Nicole Rascon (2012)

New York Institute of Technology (New York City)

• Monet Ormsby (2012)

• Anna Hernandez (2010)

• Melina Trujillo (2010)

• Lauren Sabia (2007)

 

Texas A&M University – Corpus Cristi

• Jordan Trujillo (2010)

Texas Tech University (Lubbock)

• Logan Hall (2010)

University of Akron (Akron, Ohio)

• Jessica Schneider (2012)

University of Arizona

  • Ashley Ralston-Alvarez (2010);  Was added to the roster in the fall of 2008 to help bolster Arizona's bullpen. Junior College: Pima Community College, Tucson, Ariz., 2006-08 ... Played two years under Stacy Iveson and Armando Quiroz ... Was a 2008 All ACCAC third team selection ... Also named a 2008 NJCAA Academic All-American.

• Cyndi Duran (2006)

• Jessica McNamara (2006)

 University of Minnesota (Minneapolis-St. Paul)

• Lisa Stensby (2010)

University of New Mexico (Albuquerque)

• Kaity Ingram (2010)

University of Texas at El Paso

• Charissa Ballesteros (2011)

West Texas A&M University (Canyon)

• Jessica Sipe (2012)

• Mercedes Garcia (2011)

 


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That is some collection of info
DunninLA

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^ if they aren't tying up scholarship dollars, what's the difference?
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Baylor got 2 players from Pima after they said no to Candrea back in 2005.
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Baylor got 2 players from Pima after they said no to Candrea back in 2005.


BACK IN 2005?

I can't even remember Arizona's last season, let alone Pima transfer players back in 2005!

Who were they?

Whoever they were, I bet those 2 former Pima players, weren't too much of a threat to the starting Baylor players back then!

Why should any of us care, because if a player is willing to attend and play softball at a college, without a scholarship - then that's on HER, Right?

These 19-20 year olds, should KNOW better.

With their many years of Life Lessons under their belt - they should know that when a seasoned college coach says to them: "sure, you can come here as a walk on", what they really mean is; "you will never play in a single game of softball here, but if your lucky (and fast) you might pinch run on an occasion or two"...

Now, on the contrary, if the college coaches at these larger programs, REALLY took the time to look at the skill set of the players that want to "walk-on" or "transfer in from a JUCO", AND if those players really had no chance on breaking into the line-up and helping the team win, they could take the higher road, and instead of burning a players limited number of eligibility years, having them sitting on their bench, they COULD inform them that - they really should seek a program that they MAY get some playing time at.
 
Of Course, by doing this, their roster would be smaller and probably more manageable - but in this day and age of HUGE Rosters and keeping your position by fear and intimidation of someone else getting it - It makes the college programs WIN more, doesn't it?

Striving to be your best for the Love of the Game - is not only for players to consider, coach!


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Note;

Here are the 4 year, College softball programs that recruited more that ONE player from Pima Junior College;

Arizona

New York Institute of Technology (New York City) - Who knew this school even HAD a Softball team?


West Texas A&M University (Canyon) - Not to be confused with "Texas A&M", this is WEST Texas A&M, which competes in DII

What is the staff at UA doing, spending ONE moment of their time - looking for talent here?
Is this their answer to getting back to the WCWS?

If Pima is the hidden source of great softball players, then I expect UA may meet up with the "New York Institute of Technology", at Super Regionals (Since they too, have seemed to have found the pot of gold, called Pima Softball Players).  



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^ Maybe a player *chooses* to be a "practice player" in exchange for being inside one of the best programs in college softball, and under one of the best coaches in college softball.  I don't see how that matter at all, and doesn't explain why Candrea since Spring of 2005 hasn't ever been able to recruit two aces to be on the roster at the same time.
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Those 2 Pima players started at first base and in centerfield for Baylor against Arizona in the 2007
WCWS. One of then hit 20 home runs with 71 RBI her senior year.

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Kudos to you WCC for knowing the game. Both of those transfers were All-Big 12. And as Dunnin stated if they aren't tying up schollie dollars who cares. Those transfers may well be better than what is there now at no cost. As for those who are willing to walk on... Take a good look at the rosters of recent WCWS teams at both ASU and UofA and you will find numerous players (including a few All-Americans) who received 0 athletic money. Of course several received academic money. Those who walk on are well aware of the odds of getting on the field. Some still prefer to do just that, and I applaud them. In-state tuition is often far less expensive than a partial scholarship at a lesser school that costs far more. And there's no guarantee they get on the field there as well.
UofA has done quite well over the years with JC transfers. Is it the answer to the UA's struggles? Of course not. Just like any program, they are 1 impact pitcher away from being great again.

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http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-softbl/mtt/monceaux_ashley00.html
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Quote:
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Those 2 Pima players started at first base and in centerfield for Baylor against Arizona in the 2007
WCWS. One of then hit 20 home runs with 71 RBI her senior year.



You must be speaking about:

#9
Romero, Miriam...
Batting Avg: .298 (2007)
  
17 Monceaux, Ashley
Batting Avg: .413 (2007)

They seemed to do well at Baylor, but you had to go back SEVEN years to find them.

As you know by looking at the Last UA National Championship, Seven years, is a very long time and there are many softball players coming out of PIMA between that time, that hadn't done anything... even a few who landed at UA and didn't pan out!


 

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^ Maybe a player *chooses* to be a "practice player" in exchange for being inside one of the best programs in college softball, and under one of the best coaches in college softball.  I don't see how that matter at all, and doesn't explain why Candrea since Spring of 2005 hasn't ever been able to recruit two aces to be on the roster at the same time.


Your Insane if you believe a player "Chooses" to be a "practice player"!
Each and every one of them, have a dream of PLAYING softball at the school they choose to walk onto.

I'm sorry, but sitting on the bench, even if sitting on the dugout bench next to the great Candrea, still sucks when you are a player who has dedicated so much time and effort -to playing this game.

Ask any player, WHY they choose to WALK on to a program, and I can assure you that MOST will say that they THOUGHT they could claw their way into a roster spot - and a lot of them will say that, they thought this, because the coach allowed them to walk on to their program in the first place!


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I totally agree with you, swingforthefence.  I have been saying that about ASU for years.  But each time, I'm told that all those bench warmers are totally happy just being on the team, even though they will never, ever play.  I say BS!!!
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People know their roles, or soon realize their role finding themselves...so while they might want to play, the only way they will play is if they are better than the ones who DO play...not everyone is top notch and their really is a place for everyone in this world.

The bench warmers will be ok in life, SUCCESSFUL people (including the lessons softball has taught them), I promise!

You guys have such tunnel vision.
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The bench warmers will be ok in life, SUCCESSFUL people (including the lessons softball has taught them), I promise!


Of course they will be.  No one said otherwise.

But we are talking about PLAYING college softball.  Most, if not all, of these young ladies have been working toward this goal for 10 years or more.  Their dream is to PLAY in college.  Not to sit on the bench and watch others play the game they love. 

I have talked to many, many, many of these girls and almost every one of them says that while it was fun being on a top tier, winning team, if they had to do it over again they would go to a "lesser" school where they could have been a starter or at least played most of the time.

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I can tell you that everyone of these walk-ons believe that they should be starting or if given a chance will show that they can. Some are probably better than people who are playing but most coaches, unless under duress, would not admit to making a mistake on a highly recruited scholarship player and let a walk-on jump in there in her place. The people who don't play are miserable. They might laugh and dance in the dugout but they hate it. I would say that very few are "happy to be there".
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"red carpet" treatment at a mid-major for an outfielder 70% if they are lucky. Typical cost for out of state tuition 30K-40K easy. So at best they are still out of pocket 10K +. In state-tuition is 10K. So it is a wash at best and if they get any type of academic aid which is quite common at the AZ Universities it is far less expensive. Then take into play the concept that if softball was not in the equation is this still the place you want to attend college?
Why is it always the Coach who persuaded the player against their wishes? Anyone who has been around UA or ASU softball knows the history. One carries a large roster, one carries a standard roster, but both programs have few walk-ons who ever see the field.   That's true at most any school, most any sport. Sure there are many exceptions and that is the inspiration that drives these players.
Of course the walk on believes they will play. So do the GREAT players. The truly GREAT athlete NEVER worries about who is already on the roster and who is the returning starter, they go there anyway because they know they will beat the starter out.
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The gutsiest (walk on) player at Arizona was Sarah Akamine. She had it all elsewhere but left it all behind to walk on at Arizona.
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Sarah, to me, was always the most talented of the sisters... Why she chose to go there I never understood, but I respected her decision. She was very talented. Hannah continues to surprise me at Tennessee, but in a good way. I have always liked the trio of sisters.
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I might be wrong but I don't believe Sarah was a "walk on". Sarah was recruited by Arizona to play third and hit. She was a great pitcher that really didn't like to pitch and had some arm trouble throughout her career. Our Firecracker team had some of the toughest competitors to ever put on a uniform. Sarah, K'Lee, Melissa, Molly and Megan could hold their own against anyone.

My favorite Hannah story, Tennessee was recruiting Sarah. Hannah was 11 or maybe 12. Karen and Ralph spent the entire day watching our team waiting for us to lose so they could talk to Sarah. Hannah sat with them visiting as if they were her long lost Aunt and Uncle. I think she may have even gone to lunch and sat with them. My wife and I knew they had a special bond that developed that day. If Hannah continued to develop there was a good likelyhood she would be a Vol. Hannah has really become a great ball player.
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All True !!
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