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Time to think about the future. http://azstarnet.com/sports/softball/college/wildcats/arizona-softball-candrea-promises-better-recruiting/article_b872b1b7-f621-56bb-bc7a-f3fe6cfd32ff.html

Looking toward Fall Ball and a great season for Arizona softball in 2014.
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"Pitcher Kenzie Fowler could become the team's regular first baseman.

"Kenzie will have the opportunity to hit," Candrea said."


Hmmmm........ ?????

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They finally let that cat out of the bag.
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Who is the pitcher in the picture?
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Who is the pitcher in the picture?


Fowler
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That is such an awful picture, I can't tell that it is her. Nice shot of her leaping, though.
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Candrea is out of touch. It was a lot easier when a kid didn't decide until their senior year? Please
It was easier when no one else gave a crap about softball. But the rest of the country does now and names like Arizona and UCLA and playing in the PAC are not the end all, be all anymore. It has nothing at all with kids deciding early and everything to do with coaches thinking they can rest on their laurels. Arizona has been passed by because a ton of other programs outwork them. Arizona is not every kid's dream school. Nor is UCLA. Simple fact.
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It took people this long to figure out KF would never pitch at thee Arizona again?
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Fpitch i agree with you but i also agree with candrea-- when decisions were being made later, the coaches would have a better knowledge of what they are getting. when a player commits 2 years before they can even step foot on a college campus, well its a little more of a mystery imo.
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Fpitch i agree with you but i also agree with candrea-- when decisions were being made later, the coaches would have a better knowledge of what they are getting. when a player commits 2 years before they can even step foot on a college campus, well its a little more of a mystery imo.


Puts value on ability to evaluate and project. Some coaches will do better at this than others.

Any coach, Candrea included, can wait until junior or even senior high school seasons are over before offering ... but, of course, they'll be picking leftovers.
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Players mature at different rates. Why it is important to cast a wide net - getting the late-bloomers can be as important as getting the early-bloomers. Same with hidden gems or multi-sport athletes not playing on top travel clubs.
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Fpitch i agree with you but i also agree with candrea-- when decisions were being made later, the coaches would have a better knowledge of what they are getting. when a player commits 2 years before they can even step foot on a college campus, well its a little more of a mystery imo.
Puts value on ability to evaluate and project. Some coaches will do better at this than others. Any coach, Candrea included, can wait until junior or even senior high school seasons are over before offering ... but, of course, they'll be picking leftovers.



Very true.. its evidently something he needs to work on because some recent players of his (Kirker comes to mind) did not NEARLY live up to the hype. Need to find some more Leles type players who can develop into AWESOME players.

Looks like some current players we have are capable of doing that (Young, Perez)

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Since no one has mentioned it. "Arizona Softball: Candrea promises better recruiting"

Isn't that a major slam against the current players? Or is it him deflecting the lack of coaching?
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It's a coaching excuse....And, a bad one!
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A bad one at that. Can't admit he's the problem.
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Since no one has mentioned it. "Arizona Softball: Candrea promises better recruiting" Isn't that a major slam against the current players? Or is it him deflecting the lack of coaching?


In the Pac-12, #6 in batting average (.255), #7 in ERA, #6 in fielding percentage, #8 slugging percentage, #7 in HRs...

No one owns their spot...
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Since no one has mentioned it. "Arizona Softball: Candrea promises better recruiting" Isn't that a major slam against the current players? Or is it him deflecting the lack of coaching?


In the Pac-12, #6 in batting average (.255), #7 in ERA, #6 in fielding percentage, #8 slugging percentage, #7 in HRs...

No one owns their spot...


The thing is when you look at the two players who defected and their success at the new programs, you have to start looking at what you're doing as a coach and not just who you are getting to do your work.
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Great coaches have been known to reinvent themselves. That, for coaches who stay in it for the long haul, is what defines their greatness.
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The early lead necessary on getting the top recruits (U14, now) runs directly into the increased tendency of transfers to program shop. Sometimes, of course, transfers happen because talent is stacked up - UW had their #2 pitcher transfer out in 2010, possibly costing them a second national championship. Other times, it comes down to the fickle inclinations of a teenager (or hair grayer).
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Since no one has mentioned it. "Arizona Softball: Candrea promises better recruiting" Isn't that a major slam against the current players? Or is it him deflecting the lack of coaching?


In the Pac-12, #6 in batting average (.255), #7 in ERA, #6 in fielding percentage, #8 slugging percentage, #7 in HRs...

No one owns their spot...
The thing is when you look at the two players who defected and their success at the new programs, you have to start looking at what you're doing as a coach and not just who you are getting to do your work.


Speaking of players who defected, did anyone happen to see Oklahoma game last night (Oklahoma vs Wash), where they announced Arizona defector "Shelby Pendley" was 1-9 in tournament play and shortly after another unsuccessful at-bat, she threw the ball away on what should have been an easy double play, then they "pinch hit" for her. She was visibly shaken up by her poor performance and being pulled from the line-up - she broke down and cried.
Sad to see, but might be something about "karma" in there somewhere....

Things might be a little tougher for Pendley, now that the entire country, knows she can't hit a screw ball (as it was pointed out by the ESPN announcers, numerous times)!

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There will be a simple fix to this "problem"...

The coaches who start to realize they are failing at projecting talent, are going to start going to the proven juniors that are verbally committed and make a better offer. I fail to see why it hasn't started much yet. I know there is the "agreement" to leave "committed" players alone, but you look at the fall of UA and UCLA. I can't believe when jobs are on the line, the unwritten agreement will last. The more money that goes into this game at the college level, the more the recruiting will go the rout of other big $$$ sports. Folks will complain of times gone by, but it will only be the folks who get their top recruits picked off...

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Swing -

Your insensitivity is exceeded only by your ignorance.  Isn't it ironic that you cite karma as you verbally "kick" a 20 year old student athlete who is already embarrassed?  Hope you sleep well tonight.  
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"Pitcher Kenzie Fowler could become the team's regular first baseman.

"Kenzie will have the opportunity to hit," Candrea said."


Hmmmm........ ?????


If you really think KF is going to return to UA to play 1st base, you are delusional.
She will undoubtedly pitch the 2014 Season for UA.

 

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Swing -

Your insensitivity is exceeded only by your ignorance.  Isn't it ironic that you cite karma as you verbally "kick" a 20 year old student athlete who is already embarrassed?  Hope you sleep well tonight.  


I never said "I'm glad it's happening to her" I just pointed out - what the ESPN announcer said, over and over and over again. If you want to point out insensitivity - you should be jumping all over Holly Rowe and Jessica Mendoza for them harping on it, so long - or how about the ESPN camera man who zoomed in on her face, as she was clearly upset in the dugout! Why do we need to see her crying? Voice your complaints to ESPN...

By merely pointing out that, karma (the concept of "action" or "deed", understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect), might be considered by some, to have played a role here, is not an indication of me "kicking" a 20 year old, while she is down. 

Now leave me alone, so I can go back to sleep!  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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swingforthefence your first post about Pendley was 100% unnecessary.
She has moved on, the UA has moved on and posting about her on a UA topic (especially trashing her) does nothing.


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If you really think KF is going to return to UA to play 1st base, you are delusional.
She will undoubtedly pitch the 2014 Season for UA.

 

That story was circulating quite some time ago and for Candrea to announce it publicly would seem to lend it some credibility.
I would imagine with the surgery the luster of pitching may have worn a bit.
I guess time will tell

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If you really think KF is going to return to UA to play 1st base, you are delusional.
She will undoubtedly pitch the 2014 Season for UA.

 

That story was circulating quite some time ago and for Candrea to announce it publicly would seem to lend it some credibility.
I would imagine with the surgery the luster of pitching may have worn a bit.
I guess time will tell


Maybe she just wants to be like her little sister and make it to the WCWS, again.  
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If you really think KF is going to return to UA to play 1st base, you are delusional.
She will undoubtedly pitch the 2014 Season for UA.

 

That story was circulating quite some time ago and for Candrea to announce it publicly would seem to lend it some credibility.
I would imagine with the surgery the luster of pitching may have worn a bit.
I guess time will tell


Maybe she just wants to be like her little sister and make it to the WCWS, again.  


If KF wants to make it back to the WCWS again, she better take the circle next year, because that's going to be their best chance of getting there.

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Swing -

Your insensitivity is exceeded only by your ignorance.  


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I never said "I'm glad it's happening to her"   By merely pointing out that, karma might be considered by some, to have played a role here, is not an indication of me "kicking" a 20 year old, while she is down.
 you did not write "I'm happy she's sucking right now", but it is a given by your pointing it out on an internet forum.  

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swingforthefence your first post about Pendley was 100% unnecessary.
unnecessary, sure.   But that would be like telling the kid who pulls the wings off flies, and who sprays oven cleaner on frogs to watch their skin bubble and dissolve, that their actions are unnecessary.

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