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keepinitreal

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How about an opposing opinion that someone else may have "blood on their hands"?  (You guys will love this!)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/blame-nra-not-deblasio-nyc-cop-murders


I understand you use other people's material before tipping your toe in the water DC but I saw that angle coming when the murders happened.  

The question is, is the NRA anti-police?  Sharpton is, De Blasio is

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Dewey, as an FYI, I didn't see the video on Fox.  I saw one on Brietbart which was my point.  I understand that there is an agenda there so I didn't take it seriously just as your link should not be portrayed as accurate since the person that made the statement works for MSNBC as does the Rev. Al. 
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DC, really, you consider TPM to be objective in any report?  Even the founder openly admits to being far left. 
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Because everyone knows career criminals buy their guns from reputable shops that fill out paperwork and run background.
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EX:

"Despite people who say blithely that the police need more “training,” there is no “kinder and gentler” way to capture a 350-pound man, who is capable of inflicting grievous harm, and perhaps even death, on any of his would-be captors. The magic word “unarmed” means nothing in practice, however much the word may hype emotions.

If you are killed by an unarmed man, you are just as dead as if you had been annihilated by a nuclear bomb. But you don’t even know who is armed or unarmed until after it is all over, and you can search him."


Just emotional reactions from the anti-cop crowd says Mr. Sowell


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DC, really, you consider TPM to be objective in any report?  Even the founder openly admits to being far left. 


CoachB - I'll never understand why we cannot accept and link information from entities that lean one way or the other.  What difference does it make?  If we are required to dismiss anything from a biased source, then we have to dismiss every post you and I make, along with ForeverInBlue, and most others inside here.  Time to shut the whole thing down.  Are you saying biased entities can't make truthful comments?  I think it's perfectly fine to note what you learn from various websites but I'd recommend you check and double-check before accepting them as gospel.  Don't call them out as not believable, simply counter them with other information.

I'm clearly biased to the Progressive side but I have no reason to come here and post inaccurate information.  Thanks to DC and my contributions, people won't call the UCS forum a Right leaning website.  I think we provide some balance.  Without us you may not have known they were deliberately trying to suggest Sharpton was at both of these protests and it was his group marching in New York.  You may never have learned the UE rate was below 6% and that some Republicans favored immigration reform.  Without some of us left folk you wouldn't hear about jobs added monthly.  It takes some left leaning individuals to provide information you otherwise wouldn't hear but you should still research it to make certain it isn't inaccurate.  You can't just tell readers to dismiss DC and I, or TPM, because we are left leaning types, can you?
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Again, is Dewey or DC anti-police?  That's absurd.  Of course not.  Is the Mayor of NYC anti-police.  Nope.  Is Rev Sharpton anti-police?  Nope.  Can I think of anyone who is anti-police?  Nope. Is this a thread trying to make these tragedies political?  Yep. 
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/19792-justice-department-grants-linked-to-cop-killing-rap-video

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The deeply controversial rap clip, posted on Youtube and viewed well over 150,000 times so far, shows the Bronx Defenders, too, on multiple occasions. In one scene, a grieving mother walks into the organization’s taxpayer-funded office. There, a Bronx Defenders lawyer, reportedly a managing director, comforts her over the apparent fictional loss of her son at the hands of police. At the end of the video, a banner advertisement for the Bronx Defenders is shown, along with the group’s website and Twitter account. Since 2007, the organization has received over $100 million in taxpayer funding from the city, in addition to at least $1.5 million in federal grants of U.S. taxpayer funds since 2009 by Obama’s DOJ under the “Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Grant Program.”    

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 “For Mike Brown and Sean Bell, a cop got to get killed; ’cause I’m black, police think they got the right to shoot me; No jail time, their punishment is death’s duty;... By any means necessary let’s make them respect us,”

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anti-police

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Bill de Blasio’s Pick for NYPD Oversight Board Linked to Group in Cop-Killer Video


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Dewey, I don't believe I have made it a habit of linking far right websites.  Perhaps I might have once or twice.  I can think for my own.  I made a point in an earlier post to demonstrate that by mentioning that Breitbart was far right.  Perhaps what we should do then is post links instead of engage in conversation.  I do watch Fox but because I believe that they bring in opposite viewpoints and I have named those contributors several times.  However, I also take the time to watch to watch other new to which I have often cited the CBS evening news.  I'd consider CBS to be left leaning.

What I would ask of anyone reading this site is to checkout anything any of us say.  You seem to think that there are substantial numbers of people reading our opinions and so, we have some huge influence on the masses.  I'd suggest just the opposite is true.  There will be those that side with you and the liberal cause just as there are those that side with conservatives on this site.  For me, it is simply an outlet to discuss my opinions.  As I tell my classes all the time, "My opinion and roughly $7 will get you an extra value meal from Mickey D's."  IMO, that is how most of the readers who lurk and don't post feel about us.

Edited to add:

Jobs added?  There is no greater attempt to mislead this nation than that stat.  Jobs added means nothing just as the unemployment rate means nothing.  If a person has lost their job due to something like Obamacare and now takes two part time jobs, they are both counted as "Jobs Added."  However, the impact in loss of income to that family is considerable.  If we say we have an unemployment rate of 6% and yet we stop counting millions of people who have lost hope and stopped looking for jobs, that is absolutely misleading. 
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Again, is Dewey or DC anti-police?  


Only your words and your actions can tell, for we do not know what purposes you lurk here.  Time will tell

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Again, is Dewey or DC anti-police?  That's absurd.  Of course not.  Is the Mayor of NYC anti-police.  Nope.  Is Rev Sharpton anti-police?  Nope.  Can I think of anyone who is anti-police?  Nope. Is this a thread trying to make these tragedies political?  Yep. 

Other than yourself you have no possible way of knowing what the others you listed believe or feel about cops.
And that last comment is rich. If anybody tries to make tragedies political it is the liberals starting at the top.
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Dewey, I don't believe I have made it a habit of linking far right websites.  


CoachB - My point is feel free to do so.  It doesn't matter.  In fact, if you get information that doesn't match mine, I'd like to read your link to see where it's coming from.  Just the same, people and websites leaning one way or the other are capable of presenting accurate information.  If not, we should all be ignored from here on out.  I'm just asking for you to stop completely dismissing one website because it leans left but not completely dismissing ForeverInBlue because he leans right.  They all have something to offer that may be factual or not.  Check it out and counter it if necessary.  Don't simply assume it's wrong without any research.

As for readers, they certainly aren't as many as they once were.  That said, I wouldn't share my opinions if nobody were reading.  Speaking of opinions, let me ask you this.  Many members get very irritated at the opinions I express, even beyond those people who simply want me to provide criticism of the POTUS, and I'll ask why do you think that is?


spazsdad - Yes I do.  I heard each person I named say they are not anti-police.
keepinitreal

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Starting with the material Lost1 posted today when the left immediately blamed S. Palin for remarks that contributed to Gabby Giffords shooting.  Then they found out it was a LWNJ.
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Why can't Coach discount ANY website he sees fit.  sheesh, can't control his own house but wants to come here and control what people read and don't read.  I've already said I automatically don't read diet cokes links, now dewy is trying to make it mandatory.  

don't read earlygrayce, it's trivial and simple anyway and you wouldn't be interested

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The Anti-Police, Race Rioter Who Threatened to Kill “Innocent White Kids” Gets Some Major Bad News

 

 

 

33-year-old Aries Woodfin was arrested at a suburban Chicago home where he “stayed” part of the time. During the arrest, police found a handgun, ammunition and a homemade gun range. The owner of the home claimed that the handgun was hers – though Woodfin had been arrested in 2000 for illegal handgun possession.

What prompted the arrest was his insane message that he posted on Facebook in which he boldly claimed he was going to “kill cops and innocent white children” to avenge the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown.

Not only did he post the threat of violence, but he accompanied the post with a picture of young white children – making his intent seem very real and dangerous.


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I heard O.J. say he didn't kill Nicole
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Broken Windows metaphor is one of deterioration: a building where a broken window goes unrepaired will soon be subject to far more extensive vandalism—because it sends a message that the building owners (and, by extension, the police) cannot or will not control minor crimes, and thus will be unable to deter more serious ones.
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Man Who Threatened to Kill Police   in YouTube Videos Fatally Shot After Trying to ‘Run Down a Couple Cops’

What happened to the insane asylums?  The leftist bleeding hearts?  How do you keep these people from getting guns?  You kill them first.

From the comment section
 This guy is a prime example of our problem in society. These people need serious help yet they walk amongst us, then they snap and use a firearm to mass murder people and the IDIOTS blame the damn tool they used to do it. So in reality we have TWO issues with society, the head-in-the-sand idiots who blame guns and mentally unstable people like this guy. 


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Yes - DeBlasio hates the police.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2892438/Bill-Blasio-aides-asked-political-allies-publicly-slam-NYPD-officers-turning-backs-mayor-funeral.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

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pabar - That's a ridiculous statement.  I'm going to use spazsdad's line...

    ...you have no possible way of knowing what others feel about cops.
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Actually, you're completely wrong.  My link shows that the mayor cares more about his self-image than he does about cops.  It's a very easy conclusion to come to if you're an honest person.
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Dewey, FTR, I don't read far left or far right websites unless they are linked or on one of my homework missions.  The internet is a medium that has no editorial process.  The one website you might consider radical or far right that I do go to is Zonation.  I do enjoy listening to his rants.  Most make sense to me. 

Per the OP, I watched the CBS local news and they were aghast at the use of pepper spray on peaceful protesters today by the St. Louis Police Department when protesters tried to take their protest inside the police department. That video included those poor souls who were being treated for that pepper spray.  So, I quickly changed to the local Fox station.  They showed video of one guy saying that when he opened the doors, the protesters were to run into the station and take over the police station before the police could respond.  Then, he opened the door.  Fox continued to show these protesters as they quickly exited the building after being hit by pepper spray.  One was "innocent protesters" and the other was "take over the police station."  Unfortunately, the Fox station also showed a guy who was angry at the protesters and how they were disrupting traffic etc. and so he was using profane language and what some might consider hate speech toward the protesters. 

Our President told NPR that race relations are better today than when he took office.  Maybe he had better get rid of the la la land advisers he has and get some people to tell him what is really happening in America.  IMO, the increase in shootings in St. Louis is directly linked to recent events.  If you didn't hear, construction workers at a casino near the Arch had to hit the ground 3 days ago because they were shot at.  In fact, one worker had a bullet hit some concrete, ricochet and hit him in the face. While this worker reported that he was not seriously injured, he did have an injury.  One contractor has pulled his workers from the site and will not return.  One station portrayed the event as a drive by shooting describing the car, how many shooters etc.  One said is was random gunfire and no one was hurt.  You pick out which is which.  The media is just as much to blame for this stuff as anyone. 
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It wasn't even the mayor.  Whatever they're accusing, it was mayor's allies.  But if it's said on the internet, it has to be true.
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If anybody tries to make tragedies political it is the liberals starting at the top.


Oh, come now.  Surely you've watched Fox News.  They're pros at that.



Other examples of Fox News pushing hatred and violence and politicizing tragedies and other current events -

Immigration
Ebola
Bundy
Muslims
Gays
Ferguson
Obama
Birthers
Death panels

just to name a few...


From Forcechange.com -

At every turn, Fox News attempts to instill fear and hatred in American people for so-called threats and enemies that do not exist. In so doing, it perpetrate militaristic thinking and the idea that violence, war, and taking away human rights are the only effective solutions to America’s problems. Fox News wants us to believe that the world is out to get us, and that American families, American values, capitalism, and Western civilization will all come crashing down in an instant if we let up on our global military chokehold.

So-called American values and American culture are not in constant threat of destruction, if indeed they ever existed at all, nor are American people (who to Fox news are heterosexual, well-off, white men) inherently deserving of more rights and liberties than anyone else.


From the Immoral Minority blog -

How Fox News purposefully fans racial fears, and strives to incite hatred for minorities among white middle class Americans.

 
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This of course is nothing new and most of us have already become all too aware of the racist agenda of Fox News, the Tea Party, and numerous Republicans.

However in this article by Salon article, taking excerpts from the book The Wrongs of the Right: Language, Race, and the Republican Party in the Age of Obama, the pains they have taken to reignite racism in this country are laid out in no uncertain terms.  

The Fox News audience is distinct. Numerous studies have found Fox viewers to be less informed about political and current events than viewers of most other broadcast news and cable networks. This could mean either that Fox News performs less effectively in educating viewers or that Fox News attracts less knowledgeable audiences. Other studies have found that individuals who like news with in-depth interviews tend to watch network news and CNN more than Fox, and that individuals who prefer news that aligns with their already-formed opinions are much more likely to watch Fox News (while no such relationship exists for the CNN or network audiences). More research indicates that ABC, CBS, and NBC all favored their own polling numbers and reported “positive” polls for Bill Clinton and “negative” polls for George W. Bush, while Fox appeared to favor exactly the reverse. This would seem to indicate that Fox is simply on the conservative side of media bias. However, while all media outlets have political leanings, Fox News is exceptional in that Fox was especially willing to cite external polling numbers of Clinton if they were damaging—a practice that other news outlets did not perform. 

Fox News also appears to cater to ethnocentric assumptions. This discourse has grown with the election of Obama to the White House. In one study, researchers asked panelists where they obtained their televised news about national and international affairs. Roughly one-quarter of respondents indicated that they received their information from Fox News. At the time of the study, questions of Obama’s birth were being raised. When asked if they believed Obama was born in the United States, only 21 percent of Fox viewers said that Obama was American born. The authors of the study, Michael Tesler and David O. Sears, wrote, “[T]he reinforcing and/or persuasive role of oppositional media outlets like Fox News and conservative talk radio could make it increasingly difficult to disabuse the sizable minority of individuals disposed to accepting invalid assertions designed to paint Obama as the ‘other.’” In the face of such evidence, many Fox apologists, commentators, and guests often defended the views of Birthers and Tea Party activists. While frequent Fox talking head Ann Coulter claimed that that no one on Fox ever mentioned “Birtherism,” research indicates that not only did Fox News mention it; they ramped up coverage of the Birthers leading up to the April 2011 release of the “long form” birth certificate. Moreover, at least 85 percent (forty-four out of fifty-two) of false claims about Obama’s birth went unchallenged on Fox News. Fox segments repeated that Obama never produced a birth certificate, that Obama’s grandmother said he was born in Kenya, and that Obama spent $2 million in legal funds blocking the release of his birth certificate. 

The pundits:

For example, in July of 2008 Glenn Beck engaged in a pithy race-based fear-mongering remark on his Fox News show. He stated that Obama “has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture” and that Obama “is, I believe, a racist.” 

White viewers of Fox were constantly framed as people who should be frightened and apprehensive about issues pertaining to race. In February 2007 Glenn Beck stated that he doesn’t “have a lot of African-American friends [because] . . . I’m afraid that I would be in an open conversation, and I would say something that somebody would take wrong, and then it would be a nightmare.” In this same vein, Bill O’Reilly stated, “Instead of black and white Americans coming together, white Americans are terrified. They’re terrified. Now we can’t even say you’re articulate? We can’t even give you guys compliments because they may be taken as condescension?” In this way, Fox commentators played up racial fears and anxieties, while painting whites as victims of overly sensitive nonwhites, race-baiters, and political correctness. 

Seizing upon this fear, Fox News and right-wing commentators anointed themselves as the real civil rights activists of today’s “anti-white” era. Glenn Beck stated that his Restoring Honor rally was to “reclaim the civil rights movement.” 

The result:

By reshaping the president’s image into that of a thief (akin to Bernie Madoff) bent on stealing money from the US public, coupled with the portrayal of his tax plan (in which the rich pay more than the current tax rate) as utterly foreign, Levin presents xenophobic messages as objective news. 

These examples indicate how right-wing news marries Obama to the already hyper-reactionary Islamophobia and nativism that began anew in the post-9/11 United States. That widespread fear of the “others” in our midst (even the White House) drives public support for not only the GOP but also repressive national security policies, any policy that the Republicans can deem “socialist,” and a juggernaut industrial-military complex, while it also engenders an organized, grass-roots backlash in the form of hyper-conservative Christian groups and anti-immigrant, vigilante, white-supremacist, and nationalist organizations. 

In addition to being labeled non-Western, noncitizen, foreign, U.S.-hating, Nazi, Communist, and “Afro-Leninist,” Obama has been consistently constructed as an “affirmative action president.” Right-wing commentators continually tell their audiences that Obama did not achieve any of his successes on his own merit and that his inferior candidacy is thus being forced down their throats. A key talking head in this strategy has been Rush Limbaugh. For example, in May of 2008, Limbaugh stated, “Barack Obama is an affirmative action candidate”; and “[i] If Barack Obama were Caucasian, they would have taken this guy out on the basis of pure ignorance long ago.” Later, in June 2008, Limbaugh stated that the Democratic Party was “go[ing] with a veritable rookie [then Senator Obama] whose only chance of winning is that he’s black.” 

Of course not only has Fox News, and Right Wing media pushed this racist narrative, it has been backed up by the Republican politicians themselves in sometimes subtle, and not so subtle, ways, and even the Supreme Court seems to be fanning the flames with their recent decisions

No matter how much we may want to deny it, we are essentially in the middle of another civil rights movement. Only this time the bad guys are winning, and those who fought so valiantly in support of Martin Luther King's vision, are seeing his dream reduced to ashes.

In my opinion much of this has to do with the election of the first black man as President, but a lot of it also undoubtedly has to do with the "browning" of America, and the fact that those Caucasians currently in power are seeing a future where THEY are the minority, and the power rests in the hands of "the other."

 


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Aides, not allies. Lobbyists meaning they work for the Mayor and work on his behalf. Good lord any spin you can come up with.
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I think you said you link [or copy] what you believe dietcoke.

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So-called American values and American culture are not in constant threat of destruction, if indeed they ever existed at all, nor are American people (who to Fox news are heterosexual, well-off, white men) inherently deserving of more rights and liberties than anyone else.

 If we structured our country that way from the beginning then we should be more deserving, that's who we are.


This is about as anti-American as you can get without coming out and saying it.

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Dewey, FTR, I don't read far left or far right websites unless they are linked or on one of my homework missions.  The internet is a medium that has no editorial process. 


CoachB - Thanks.  I didn't mean to start a debate about websites as I'm not really interested in who reads what.  Instead, I was asking that you not discount where others find information as being unacceptable.  Fox and TPM are capable of posting information that is accurate.  I'll agree they might choose which content they want included in their pages and leave alternative opinions out but we can look elsewhere for that.  If we can't read biased websites to see what they have to offer, then we can't read any member here either.  Fox might not tell me information that TPM will, just like FIB won't offer up what DC will.

I'm certain overall race relations are better than six years ago because I think they get better each and every year that time goes by.  The old opinions die off.  I will admit I have received more racist email and heard more racist jokes over the last six years than ever before but I think this might be a bit of an aberration for obvious reasons.  The talk of the President being a Muslim or a foreigner will make many think race relations are worse but I tend to think a few loud voices may be more responsible than anything.  The re-election of the President convinced me we are still on the right track with regards to race in this Country.  I credit the President in large part for his everyday demeanor he brings to the job.  To me, he's the Jackie Robinson of Presidencies as he appears to have been the perfect African American to break this important barrier.  He took a lot of criticism and mostly brushed it off with a smile.  He's handled this important time in our history, as it relates to race, in a very admirable way.  Clearly I think race relations are continuing to improve and once history clearly illustrates the ongoing popularity of this President, that will continue exponentially. 

Happy New Year to you!
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