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keepinitreal

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Since the cop haters have amped up their rhetoric and their campaign against cops it won't stop.  This genie will never go back in the bottle.  We are at a tipping point

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/30/2-boston-police-officers-making-arrest-attacked-by-teenagers/?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fn

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From the article
"Mayor Martin Walsh stressed the assault was not related to rising national tensions over police conduct following the killings of unarmed men in Missouri and New York City."
Who is he trying to kid and how would he supposedly know this
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I'm beginning to think many on the Right believe if they can drive a wedge that pits the black community against the police, or vice versa, they might win a national election.  I know it won't work just as I know Americans, including African Americans, respect the police.
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I'm beginning to think many on the Right believe if they can drive a wedge that pits the black community against the police, or vice versa, they might win a national election.  I know it won't work just as I know Americans, including African Americans, respect the police.


One of the most absurd things you've ever said.

The left owns the creation and propagation of wedge issues.

All the right wants is for the leaders on the left to start supporting the police with the same consistency as leaders on the right.
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Which leader on the Right told that Bundy group to put their guns down and respect authority?  I heard many leaders on the Left ask for a peaceful response regarding these recent controversial issues.
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Rand Paul was very critical of Clive Bundy's remarks on race.  As for putting their guns down, why should they?  The government acted completely inappropriately and they were defending their land.  By the way, did anyone die during that standoff?
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No, they were prepared to fight against a court order being implemented.  Nobody from the Right supported respecting the order from the Court.  It was long after when the racist remarks were revealed that some in the GOP high tailed it out of there.
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The court order was the result of Harry Reid's cronyism and was complete BS.
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You know, when you can simply discount any fact presented, it's hard to carry on debate. 

Five of nine SC justices say constitutional?  So what, we say it's not.  End of debate.
keepinitreal

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Look who injected race into the discussion.  The article did not discuss race.  Dewy assumed their race.  You will clearly see as the posts on the subject show, who supports the police and who doesn't.  Dewy took an opportunity at making pro-police comments and instead he used his soapbox as forum moderator and 'speaker for the readers', to turn his editorial into a left vs. right issue.  This is a police support issue.  If dewy wants to line his left on the side of anti-police, then so be it.  He did it, no one else.  HE made it left vs. right, as if only the right support the police?  WOW
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CoachB25

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Here is some of those peaceful protesters who have no agenda other than peace:

[commies] 

Now for fun, look up revcom.us. 

Another Revcom.us poster:

[revolution-front-en] 

keepinitreal

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Dear readers, do not let dewy hijack another thread.  This is a police issue, please post support, or lack of support involving police matters here.  If Clive Bundy violated a criminal law, the po-po would have escorted him to jail.  If a reader does not support the police they can choose to participate or ignore this thread, no one will ever know.  Only by speaking up on police matters will you yourself decide if you support police and law enforcement in general.

dewy has plenty of opportunities to make Clive Bundy statements on the Clive Bundy thread, there is one.  



#Readers Against Hijacking Moderators

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Nearly all Americans respect the job being done by police officers and support them to the fullest.  On occasion, there all small bands of criminals who disrespect authority to a despicable degree and those who make up this small element have no basis in skin color or political ideology, contrary to what is trying to be implied inside the various threads of this forum.
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Here is some of those peaceful protesters who have no agenda other than peace:

[commies] 

Now for fun, look up revcom.us. 

Another Revcom.us poster:

[revolution-front-en] 



That kind of contradicts dewy's latest contribution, which by the way DID relate to the thread topic.

"On occasion, there all small bands of criminals".  
Don't know what news source that dewy is watching but I see more of what's shown in Coach's post than what dewy describes as "small bands of criminals".  There is a nationwide anti-police movement and if you continue to ignore that movement [and don't stand against it] then your stupidity knows no bounds. #truecolors

"small bands of criminals"=belly laugh



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keepinitreal

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These " small bands of criminals" are whipping this country into a fury of law enforcement haters.  If tasers and tear gas doesn't work then I guess they need to break out those fire hoses again.  Call it extreme water boarding?   When gunfire breaks out at one of these peaceful protests, or they call in SWAT, oh how they will wail.
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My son was at a 'peaceful' Denver 420 marijuana assembly in Denver last year and gunfire broke out, a gunshot or two I think. People were shot. [It made national news.  I think Jessie Waters was there]  The odd part of the gunfire is that it came from the crowd, not the police.  So don't say it won't happen at one of these peaceful protests.  If pot smokers can get riled enough to fire a gun, watch the tinderbox once it happens at one of your 'protests'.  

These people aren't protesting any longer, they call it protesting so that stupid Americans can sympathize with them.  The majority of these people are anti-police as evidenced in their rhetoric.  Protesting and stirring up fury are two different things.

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Apparently the Editorial Staff of the New York Times attacked the NYC Police Department today.  One comment was that they were participating in self pity. 
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Fox News and other conservative sites are stoking the "anti-cop" movement more than anyone.

Obama, de Blasio, Holder, Sharpton and others are NOT antii-cop.  They have never made anti-cop remarks.

They have said we need better policing.  Are police above the law?  Can they not be criticized?  Do they never do anything wrong?  Can they use deadly force when not needed and walk away?  If this is anti-cop talk, then we don't live in a free society. 

No one wants to see any more police murdered or injured.  Just as most of us don't want to see any more innocent people injured or killed at the hands of police.

Here's a LINK for ya -

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/12/ismaaiyl_brinsley_murdered_two_police_officers_in_brooklyn_police_departments.single.html

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Quote:
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Apparently the Editorial Staff of the New York Times attacked the NYC Police Department today.  One comment was that they were participating in self pity. 


The full editorial -

Mayor Bill de Blasio has spent weeks expressing his respect and admiration for the New York Police Department, while calling for unity in these difficult days, but the message doesn’t seem to be sinking in.

When he spoke at a police graduation ceremony at Madison Square Garden on Monday, some in the crowd booed and heckled him. This followed the mass back-turning by scores of officers when the mayor spoke on Saturday at the funeral of Officer Rafael Ramos; the virtual back-turning the day before by an airplane-towed banner (“Our backs have turned to you”), and the original spiteful gesture by officers on the night Mr. de Blasio visited the hospital where Officer Ramos and his partner, Wenjian Liu, lay dead.

Mr. de Blasio isn’t going to say it, but somebody has to: With these acts of passive-aggressive contempt and self-pity, many New York police officers, led by their union, are squandering the department’s credibility, defacing its reputation, shredding its hard-earned respect. They have taken the most grave and solemn of civic moments — a funeral of a fallen colleague — and hijacked it for their own petty look-at-us gesture. In doing so, they also turned their backs on Mr. Ramos’s widow and her two young sons, and others in that grief-struck family.

These are disgraceful acts, which will be compounded if anyone repeats the stunt at Officer Liu’s funeral on Sunday.

The New York Police Department is going through a terrible time, and the assassinations of those officers only underscore the dreadful dangers that rank-and-file cops face every day. And, in truth, there is some thanklessness to being a cop. Officers often feel beleaguered, jerked around by supervisors and politicians, obligated to follow rules and policies that can be misguided, held responsible for their mistakes in ways that the public is not, exposed to frequent ridicule and hostility from the people they are sworn to serve. It has always been that way with cops.

But none of those grievances can justify the snarling sense of victimhood that seems to be motivating the anti-de Blasio campaign — the belief that the department is never wrong, that it never needs redirection or reform, only reverence. This is the view peddled by union officials like Patrick Lynch, the president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association — that cops are an ethically impeccable force with their own priorities and codes of behavior, accountable only to themselves, and whose reflexive defiance in the face of valid criticism is somehow normal.

It’s not normal. Not for a professional class of highly trained civil servants, which New York’s Finest profess to be. The police can rightly expect, even insist upon, the respect of the public. But respect is a finite resource. It cannot be wasted. Sometimes it has to be renewed.

The failures of some cops, the misguided policing tactics that feed a sense of oppression in parts of the city, the offensive provocations of some in the police-reform protest movement, and the horrific killings of two officers, have led the city to a dangerous point.

But there is a way out of this cul-de-sac. It was stated at Officer Ramos’s funeral by an exemplary public servant — and stout de Blasio ally — Commissioner William Bratton.

He put it beautifully: “The police, the people who are angry at the police, the people who support us but want us to be better, even a madman who assassinated two men because all he could see was two uniforms, even though they were so much more. We don’t see each other. If we can learn to see each other, to see that our cops are people like Officer Ramos and Officer Liu, to see that our communities are filled with people just like them, too. If we can learn to see each other, then when we see each other, we’ll heal. We’ll heal as a department. We’ll heal as a city. We’ll heal as a country.”

The mayor will be meeting Tuesday with leaders of the five police unions to lower the temperature and to move the city forward. He has been doing and saying the right things, but he also seems to be taking great pains not to say anything to set off the cops. Surely many officers understand and accept his conciliatory words and realize that the things Mr. de Blasio has done — like hiring Mr. Bratton, increasing financing for the department and modernizing its equipment — are motivated by an honest desire to do right by the Police Department.

The grieving rank-and-file need to recognize this and also see the damage that many of their colleagues, and their union representatives, are doing to trash their department’s reputation.

 


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Are there SOME policemen and women who are being inappropriate in carrying out their duties?  Are there SOME Afro Americans (and some support white folk) who are acting in an inappropriate, law breaking manner?  Should this cause a "pick a blame side" situation, or is it more appropriate to look for solutions after the root causes are determined?  Lives are at stake.  
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DC I would suppose that you see nothing wrong with that editorial and I think it is outrageous.  To have the Mayor attack the police as racist and then expect them to proceed as if noting has happened would be irresponsible of the police.  In fact, it would be irresponsible to those that died do to the rhetoric of the Mayor and our current administration.  BTW, how long did it take the President to say that if he had a son ... and yet, he still hasn't issued a statement concerning the deaths of these two police officers.  That is outrageous as well. 

I was scanning channels today and so one of the stations I don't watch made the comment that St. Louis had produced 3 murders of black citizens by the police department this year.  Really?  Brown attacked an officer despite any left leaning attempts to say otherwise.  The second shooting was witnessed and on camera where the guy who was shot came at the police with a knife.  The third shooting, and the video is substantial, shows that young man pointing a gun at the police officer.  Still, why not rally the nation in the hatred of police and continue to stir racist propaganda.  That is what the left does.
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Fox News and other conservative sites are stoking the "anti-cop" movement more than anyone.



DC - Like I said, there are folks out there trying to turn these unfortunate tragedies into votes for the GOP.  Make it a Left/Right issue if possible.  It's ludicrous.

More evidence for the benefit of pabar and others...

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Still, why not rally the nation in the hatred of police and continue to stir racist propaganda.  That is what the left does.


CoachB - Nobody died due to the rhetoric of the Mayor.  These two brave officers died at the hands of a deranged man who has gone against authority for years.  He simply chose to go out in a blaze trying to make a big name for himself.  You know they executed two officers in Las Vegas back in June and the shooters claimed it was because of the strong arm of authority as described by the Right.  I think the vast majority of us understand it was a deranged couple who were to blame and not the ideology or comments of others.
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CoachB - "Nobody died due to the rhetoric of the Mayor"

How in the heck do you know that?

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For one, Mayor Giuliani confirmed as much and secondly, I believe words alone don't kill.
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Dewey, I don't agree and I'll leave it at that instead of presenting those throughout history who have used words to incite riots, mass killings, attempted genocide, ...
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CoachB - Don't get me wrong as I understand your thinking somewhat but I don't feel it's fair to take it as far as you have.  If we followed your thought process, then we would have to hold those who call the President dangerous, being in favor of children being raped, or causing the death of police officers, responsible if the President were harmed.  Can we really do that?
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For one, Mayor Giuliani confirmed as much and secondly, I believe words alone don't kill.


Again, neither you nor Mayor Giuliani are clinical psychiatrists and the killer is dead.  Words incite.


 You presume too much dewdy and it's an old ploy by you to direct a conversation not to your liking.  Tipper Gore for years ran a campaign against the music industry for what she supposed the influence was between music and actually living out acts of violence.  Was all her work for naught just because dewy says so?   If rhetoric does not 'sway' people then why did most mainstream radio stations ban N.W.A. records and music?  It wasn't because they weren't popular, their albums went double platinum.

 
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 "Fukk tha Police," perhaps the group's most notorious song, which brought them into conflict with various law enforcement agencies.  Under pressure from Focus on the Family, Milt Ahlerich, an assistant director of the FBI, sent a letter to Ruthless and its distributing company Priority Records, advising the rappers that "advocating violence and assault is wrong and we in the law enforcement community take exception to such action."
*from Wiki

Looks like the gangsta rap movement has come full circle with a generation or two of youths that have grown up to disrespect and despise the police for no other reason than, They are the Police.  We will reap what has been sown.  The anti-cop rhetoric started 30 years ago and we are now seeing the results.  Deny while you can, while the body count rises.  After all, it's not your life at stake.

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ooops, Demonize and Demagogue, unless of course it doesn't fit your narrative......


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palins-crosshairs-ad-focus-gabrielle-giffords-debate/story?id=12576437


Comedian Frank Conniff tweeted: "Hey, Sarah Palin, hows that hatey, killy, reloady, crosshairsy thing working out for ya?"

Facebook executive Randi Zuckerberg said many people on the social networking site are asking whether Sarah Palin is to blame.

According to Zuckerberg that is the #1 question on the social network behemoth following the Tucson shooting.

Like so much with Palin, the roots are on Facebook. On her Facebook page last year when she posted the a map of 20 congressional districts targeted by SarahPac, the headline of the map: "It's time to take a stand."

At the time Giffords reacted to the map in an interview on a cable news program.

"When people do that, they've got to realize there are consequences to that action," Giffords said.

And another tweeted, "Left blamed Palin b4 they knew 1st thing about shooter; unable to admit malice, they double down, co-ordinate narrative. Grotesque."

Another statement being retweeted by conservatives is this one, noting that even President Obama has used the language of armed conflict in politics. "The instigator for AZ massacre? Obama: 'If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun," and linking to comments that then-Senator Obama made during Democratic primaries.

One thing is clear, Palin, who has been at the center of so much of the political discourse and discussion the last two years, is right back in the center, you might even say the crosshairs, whether she wants to be there or not.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/08/934410/-Sarah-Palin-put-the-gun-s-crosshairs-on-Gabby-Giffords#

Can we please stop the pious high mindedness that says that this tea bagger BS is just part of the discourse? It's not, and John Adams and all of the other founding fathers they allegedly revere would slap them in prison, or worse, for the kinds of seditious acts that inspired todays violence. Sarah Palin is the one that put Gabby Giffords in the gun's crosshairs of this heinous assassin.


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  If we followed your thought process, then we would have to hold those who call the President dangerous, being in favor of children being raped, or causing the death of police officers, responsible if the President were harmed.  Can we really do that?


I'm 0 for 3 when it comes to a Conservative response to this question.
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