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I have never said any such thing. I have, on numerous ocaissions said I don't endorse violence except as self defense. Show me on time I said violence from antifa was ok. 
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I have never said any such thing. I have, on numerous ocaissions said I don't endorse violence except as self defense. Show me on time I said violence from antifa was ok. 

You have not once diasvowed Antifa's violence. 

When asked about disavowing you came back with this:
"While I may not agree with the use of violence to promote any ideology, I believe the case can be made that counter force may be the only way to get through to some of these right wing nazis."

Clearly you stated you endorse their violence. 

If you had half a brain you would disavow violent acts to curb reasonable freedom of speech.

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Counter.....used against aggression may be the only way to get through to some of these. This in no way endorses violence should be used as a means to suppress one's voice. Twisted my words again.
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Fresh supports antifa and antifa advocates violence, so Fresh supports violence.

Fresh's claim of counterforce is ridiculous since antifa initiates violence against police and when there isn't a militant opponent.

https://www.thenation.com/article/anti-fascist-activists-are-fighting-the-alt-right-in-the-streets/

The history of anti-fascism in 20th-century Europe is largely one of fighting squads, like the international militant brigades fighting Franco in Spain, the Red Front Fighters’ League in Germany who were fighting Nazis since the party’s formation in the 1920s, the print workers who fought ultra-nationalists in Austria, and the 43 Group in England fighting Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists. In every iteration these mobilizations entailed physical combat. The failure of early-20th-century fighters to keep fascist regimes at bay speaks more to the paucity of numbers than the problem of their direct confrontational tactics.

A more recent history of antifa in both Europe and the United States illustrates the success these tactics can have, particularly when it comes to expunging violent racist forces from our neighborhoods and defending vulnerable communities, while also creating networks of support that do not rely on structurally racist law enforcement for protection against racists. Anti-fascist tactics focused primarily around physical force proved effective in forcing neo-Nazi groups out of entire neighborhoods in Europe and the United States in the 1980s. Back then, as longtime organizer and member of the Industrial Workers’ World General Defense Committee (GDC) Kieran Knutson told The Nation, fascist and anti-fascist formations grew out of youth subculture scenes. Taking on and largely defeating neo-Nazi gangs, multi-racial crews of anti-racist skinheads and punks coalesced and grew into semi-formal Anti-Racist Action (ARA) chapters nationwide.

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Antifa actively attempts to quash free speech. They do it all the time.
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Fresh supports antifa and antifa advocates violence, so Fresh supports violence.

I'm sure you know the error in your logic here, so you must be playing to the crowd. I have said I agree with their sentiment to oppose fascists at every opportunity. If the words, "with violence", appear in their bylaws, I will not support them. I don't support violence, in any form, from either side, except in self defence. I have said that about 20 times. It doesn't matter what twisted, distorted meaning you try to put into my words........that is what I think.
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Fresh supports antifa and antifa advocates violence, so Fresh supports violence.

I'm sure you know the error in your logic here, so you must be playing to the crowd. I have said I agree with their sentiment to oppose fascists at every opportunity. If the words, "with violence", appear in their bylaws, I will not support them. I don't support violence, in any form, from either side, except in self defence. I have said that about 20 times. It doesn't matter what twisted, distorted meaning you try to put into my words........that is what I think.

You applied the same logic to those that would not disavow the White Supremacists.  Of course that was a major fail as everyone disavowed the White Supremacists. 

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You applied the same logic to those that would not disavow the White Supremacists

Not to everyone.....the fukking president. He has a moral obligation to flesh them out as the antiAmerican scum they are. His both sides are bad, bothsides are good ad lib was pitiful. He doesn't want to alienate his pit bull base.
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Fresh supports antifa and antifa advocates violence, so Fresh supports violence.

I'm sure you know the error in your logic here, so you must be playing to the crowd. I have said I agree with their sentiment to oppose fascists at every opportunity. If the words, "with violence", appear in their bylaws, I will not support them. I don't support violence, in any form, from either side, except in self defence. I have said that about 20 times. It doesn't matter what twisted, distorted meaning you try to put into my words........that is what I think.

It's simple transitive logic. The flaw is you don't understand what antifa is about and refuse to admit the violent actions they initiate. Do you really support anarchists advocating to "become ungovernable"? Ignorance is not a valid defense.

Read the article I posted - it's by an antifa supporter that clearly identifies them as "the radical left" and more effective than regular liberal tactics.

Liberals cling to institutions: They begged to no avail for faithless electors, they see “evisceration” in a friendly late-night talk-show debate, they put faith in investigations and justice with regards to Russian interference and business conflicts of interest. They grasp at hypotheticals about who could have won, were things not as they in fact are. For political subjects so tied to the mythos of Reason, it is liberals who now seem deranged. Meanwhile, it is the radical left—so often tarred as irrational—who are calling upon both US and European histories of anti-fascist action to offer practical and serious responses in this political moment. For all the ink spilled about rising fascism, too little has been said about anti-fascism.

Anti-fascist, or antifa, doesn’t only delineate that which opposes fascism. It is a set of tactics and practices that have developed since the early 20th century (and the rise of fascism in Italy) as a confrontational response to fascist groups, rooted in militant left-wing and anarchist politics. As organizers from anti-fascist research and news site Antifa NYC told The Nation: “Antifa combines radical left-wing and anarchist politics, revulsion at racists, sexists, homophobes, anti-Semites, and Islamophobes, with the international anti-fascist culture of taking the streets and physically confronting the brownshirts of white supremacy, whoever they may be.” As with fascisms, not all anti-fascisms are the same, but the essential feature is that anti-fascism does not tolerate fascism; it would give it no platform for debate.

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Thanks for pointing me to the article. I support their mission. Something must be done about the rising fascist element and this might be one of the tools. The rebel in me appreciates the cause. I hope they don't kill anybody.
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In a classic case of the ends justifying the means, Fresh just moved his goal posts to violence being okay as long as they aren't trying to kill anybody. 
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Nope. You stress the violence aspect, not me. How do you come to that reasoning? I've stated violence as self defense. My hope is that their inevitable battle with one of these groups will not result in a death. The other side is already guilty. 
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Nope. You stress the violence aspect, not me. How do you come to that reasoning? I've stated violence as self defense. My hope is that their inevitable battle with one of these groups will not result in a death. The other side is already guilty. 


You are definitely Dewey.  This is classic Dewey-speak.
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Nope. You stress the violence aspect, not me. How do you come to that reasoning? I've stated violence as self defense. My hope is that their inevitable battle with one of these groups will not result in a death. The other side is already guilty. 

The leftists are clearly initiating violence.  Shows over and over.  In all the videos.  That is what they say they are about.  And they are acting on it.  Your leftist friends are stressing the violence aspect.

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All the videos you watch. They are edited and I assume misleading. You seem to seek out right wing justification. I'm trying to get the other story and this tag teaming, distorting what I say and putting words in my mouth is getting old. I think they stress the confrontation aspect, with violence as a possible(probable?) result. They only represent some of my views, but I respect their option to have the ones I don't agree with. I have no use for the ideas of nazis and WS.
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Y'all are letting this old phuck punk you and you tell me I post too much
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It's Dewey. He's awoken, and Fresh. Tanned rested and ready
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I've stated violence as self defense.

Against words.
You state that WS speech justifies Antifa violence, as self defense, whatever that means
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All the videos you watch. They are edited and I assume misleading. You seem to seek out right wing justification. I'm trying to get the other story and this tag teaming, distorting what I say and putting words in my mouth is getting old. I think they stress the confrontation aspect, with violence as a possible(probable?) result. They only represent some of my views, but I respect their option to have the ones I don't agree with. I have no use for the ideas of nazis and WS.

We are not putting words in your mouth, just posting back what you are posting.  You like the violence that comes from the left.  Too bad for you, cause that will absolutely come back around to bite you in the butt.  That is how it works.

We deplore the violence from the white supremacist and nazi's (socialists).  We reject everything they are about.



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You are adding intent and distorting the crux of my statements. It's like your videos showing.......showing people fighting and when you post it you say proof counter protesters started "the violence". When I point out there is no proof, I get assailed for using the term, "the violence". Violence obviously occured on both sides, who initiated the violence is less clear. Supporting a cause does not say you support every action of every memeber of every group involved with every incident. Easy to find something if you dig that deep. I support the sentiment of antifa. If the WS, nazis want to mix it up with the crowd, I do not have a problem with someone defending themselves from violence. All protestors aren't physical enough to protect themselves from the brutal tactics of the nazi demonstrators. Now twist that around.
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Poke the bear and get eaten..............
Fresh

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I can't figure out which one of you guys thinks he's the bear? 
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The bear is the revolution.............

You should have been able to figure that out.............You're dumbing-down syndrome is getting worse...........Not that you're dumb, or anything............
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The bear is everyday average Americans in flyover country. Americans are seeing Leftist Democrats, and Anarchist in cooperation with the MSM trying to divide and destroy our nation, our American culture, and our freedoms, particularly free speech. In addition, Americans are tired of all the PC BS. They are tired of being called bigots and racist every waking moment. They are tired of Leftist telling everyone that only they have the superior intelligence and enlightenment to establish and decide what is a "proper" thought process, and "acceptable" speech. Keep poking the bear, and see what happens in 2018, and 2020.
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Which one's the bear?  Just to keep up the stoopid questions
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Very possibly the greatest video of all time.



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Took a gas mask to a gun fight.....



Maybe his reproduction abilities are now nonexistent

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the best part is the perfectly sync'd Whitney music.
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