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Why do you bring up the incredibly small percentage of situations to justify the wholesale slaughter of babies for convenience - which is the vast, vast majority of cases?


Why not answer? Isn't a life, a life? 

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Certainly once that fetus is viable that is a life.   
A: Yes it is a life. 
B: Yes that really sucks for that woman and makes the crime of rape 2x more painful. 
C: That baby does not deserve to get 'selected', he did not make any choices. 
D: We used to have strong charity and faith based organizations that were able to step in and provide much needed support in these cases.  Make it way easier for that woman to have that baby and put it up for adoption.
E: Rape does not justify abortion.  It is an outlying case.

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Why not answer? Isn't a life, a life? 


Indeed it is.  Some people will make exceptions for rape and some won't.  But half a million babies slaughtered is the more important issue.

If we would agree to make exceptions in the case of rape, would you be willing to abolish all other abortions?

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If we would agree to make exceptions in the case of rape, would you be willing to abolish all other abortions?



How about this question also in regards to a point some left-leaning people bring up:
If conservatives would agree to abolish the death penalty, would liberals agree to restrictions on abortion?
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How about this question also in regards to a point some left-leaning people bring up:
If conservatives would agree to abolish the death penalty, would liberals agree to restrictions on abortion?


Good point.  I saw the light several years ago and now oppose the death penalty.  First, supporting it makes me a hypocrite.  Second, the death penalty is not a deterrent.

But I don't want my question to get lost. 

Fresh, if we agree to make it legal to have an abortion if you're raped, would you agree to abolish all other abortions?

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Indeed it is.  Some people will make exceptions for rape and some won't.  But half a million babies slaughtered is the more important issue.

If we would agree to make exceptions in the case of rape, would you be willing to abolish all other abortions?


Fresh - this is where you bail on the conversation?

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Good point.  I saw the light several years ago and now oppose the death penalty.  First, supporting it makes me a hypocrite.  Second, the death penalty is not a deterrent.

But I don't want my question to get lost. 

Fresh, if we agree to make it legal to have an abortion if you're raped, would you agree to abolish all other abortions?



My reason for supporting the death penalty is two fold. Biblical in that anyone that was judged to have taken a life out of anger or in the commission of an evil crime should forfeit their life. Secondly, I strongly object to the monetary cost of keeping a killer alive over the course of a life without parole sentence. Go ahead and trot out the old cases overturned by DNA evidence. That doesn’t come into play like it once did. Just my opinion, and I value your position as well.


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My reason for supporting the death penalty is two fold. Biblical in that anyone that was judged to have taken a life out of anger or in the commission of an evil crime should forfeit their life. Secondly, I strongly object to the monetary cost of keeping a killer alive over the course of a life without parole sentence. Go ahead and trot out the old cases overturned by DNA evidence. That doesn’t come into play like it once did. Just my opinion, and I value your position as well.



Totally understand your position.  The problem with death row is that it can be decades before the punishment is handed out and so there's no deterrent and the expense of housing the piece of crud isn't mitigated.

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How about this question also in regards to a point some left-leaning people bring up:
If conservatives would agree to abolish the death penalty, would liberals agree to restrictions on abortion?


Always a tough question - thanks for the input.

IMO, death penalty cases are different because it is clearly spelled out which crimes lead to it. Abortion stops a beating heart that never had a chance.

To answer your question, I would without hesitation abolish the death penalty to overturn Roe.

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How about this question also in regards to a point some left-leaning people bring up:
If conservatives would agree to abolish the death penalty, would liberals agree to restrictions on abortion?


Not an equal IMO.  abolish death penalty vs. abolish abortion  check

Who's in charge of those restrictions?

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Fresh - this is where you bail on the conversation?


Fresh - where are you?

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Fresh - where are you?


You have to ask?

I got it, you gotta get it on record that he's the new drive by sniper

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If we would agree to make exceptions in the case of rape, would you be willing to abolish all other abortions?


I forgot to say this earlier, but how about adding in the two other 'exceptions' people usually bring up (incest and woman's life)?
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I have no objections to the death penalty......when applied equally. The key problem is the level of legal representation available to poor people charged with capital crimes. The irreversible nature of the penalty causes me concern. Studies seem to show that the death penalty doesn't serve as much of a deterrent and is more expensive to administer than a life sentence. The facts there are instances where innocent people have been found guilty of capital crimes and the actual outcome of a trial is significantly influenced by the competency of the defense attorney, I oppose the death penalty. I do not oppose killing people that commit these crimes, just the process of determining their guilt.

Opposition to abortion stems from the belief that it is murder. While I find it abhorrent that someone would use abortion purely for birth control, I support a woman's right to control processes within her own body. I don't consider it murder since a viable human is not involved. Potential to be a viable human and actually being a human is different. On one extreme, Catholics seem to want the possibility of conception to be considered, thus a refusal to accept birth control. I set 20 weeks as a reasonable time frame to determine whether a woman wants to continue an unwanted pregnancy. 

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fresh, links on this please. "Studies seem to show that the death penalty...is more expensive to administer than a life sentence."

Also, the abortion part of that post really has you wandering in the forest and bouncing around, probably best to not get into that one.

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You will only question my sources. Serves little purpose. I have stopped following mad right links, since they seldom result in the proof offered by your side. I trust who I trust and it is the result of years of what I consider accurate reporting. A few examples over the last 10 years of faulty sources or legitimate mistakes will not change my mind. We all make mistakes. The mad right wants their mistakes glossed over and demand perfection from the opposing viewpoints. Simply irrational and pointless. The mad right exists for extreme examples from extreme supporters of extreme movements. Most of us do not support the tactics of groups like Antifa. It is lazy and disingenuous to offer that we do. I will admit there is a part of me that pulls for the protester that cracks the skull of a fat, ignorant white supremicist. It's a character flaw I try to work on.
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I have no objections to the death penalty......when applied equally. The key problem is the level of legal representation available to poor people charged with capital crimes. The irreversible nature of the penalty causes me concern. Studies seem to show that the death penalty doesn't serve as much of a deterrent and is more expensive to administer than a life sentence. The facts there are instances where innocent people have been found guilty of capital crimes and the actual outcome of a trial is significantly influenced by the competency of the defense attorney, I oppose the death penalty. I do not oppose killing people that commit these crimes, just the process of determining their guilt.

Opposition to abortion stems from the belief that it is murder. While I find it abhorrent that someone would use abortion purely for birth control, I support a woman's right to control processes within her own body. I don't consider it murder since a viable human is not involved. Potential to be a viable human and actually being a human is different. On one extreme, Catholics seem to want the possibility of conception to be considered, thus a refusal to accept birth control. I set 20 weeks as a reasonable time frame to determine whether a woman wants to continue an unwanted pregnancy. 


So the bottom line is that you're not willing to take my deal.  Make abortion legal for rape, incest and health of the mother in exchange for outlawing it in all other cases.  Do I have that right?

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Opposition to abortion stems from the belief that it is murder. While I find it abhorrent that someone would use abortion purely for birth control, I support a woman's right to control processes within her own body. I don't consider it murder since a viable human is not involved. Potential to be a viable human and actually being a human is different. On one extreme, Catholics seem to want the possibility of conception to be considered, thus a refusal to accept birth control. I set 20 weeks as a reasonable time frame to determine whether a woman wants to continue an unwanted pregnancy. 

If evidence appears that viability happens at 16 weeks would you move to 16 weeks?

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You will only question my sources. Serves little purpose. I have stopped following mad right links, since they seldom result in the proof offered by your side. I trust who I trust and it is the result of years of what I consider accurate reporting. A few examples over the last 10 years of faulty sources or legitimate mistakes will not change my mind. We all make mistakes. The mad right wants their mistakes glossed over and demand perfection from the opposing viewpoints. Simply irrational and pointless. The mad right exists for extreme examples from extreme supporters of extreme movements. Most of us do not support the tactics of groups like Antifa. It is lazy and disingenuous to offer that we do. I will admit there is a part of me that pulls for the protester that cracks the skull of a fat, ignorant white supremicist. It's a character flaw I try to work on.

Dewey says only CNN, am I right?

Not enough in the mainstream Democrat party denounce Antifa and what these violent thugs are doing.  Especially when the violent thugs clearly cross lines, attack innocent people at a peaceful 'free speech' rally.  

You ask the majority on the right what they think of the KKK or even Identity Europa type groups and you will get almost 100% condemnation of their actions.  Even when those actions are to just show up where clearly white supremecists symbols.  

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The heart starts beating at 4 weeks.
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At 10 weeks it is a fetus, not an embryo or a clump of cells. All the organs are formed and are starting to function. Toenails and fingernails are growing. If you want to end abortion, then show videos of abortions and their aftermath on television. They show just about everything else on TV, why not abortions?
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It's been said Trump will announce his pick July 9.  Any thoughts on who he should pick that could actually get through the Senate?
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Like sharks thrashing about in chum-filled bloody water, the unhinged hysterics of the progressive left have gone into a feeding frenzy as they prepare to attack whomever President Trump nominates to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy. Thanks to Kennedy’s retirement, Trump is now in a position to appoint a non-activist, strict constructionist to the Court. Senate confirmation of the nominee will result in a solid, reliably conservative Court majority.

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My reason for supporting the death penalty is two fold. Biblical in that anyone that was judged to have taken a life out of anger or in the commission of an evil crime should forfeit their life. Secondly, I strongly object to the monetary cost of keeping a killer alive over the course of a life without parole sentence. Go ahead and trot out the old cases overturned by DNA evidence. That doesn’t come into play like it once did. Just my opinion, and I value your position as well.



Nobody should EVER respond to a public policy question with the word 'biblical'--it automatically destroys your credibility. I'm sorry if this offends you, but the bible is a book of nonsense---stories for children. This is why the left has serious problems with christian crazies--because they want to make public policy based on their wacky beliefs. They want to teach creationism in school, which is the equivalent of teaching kids that the Earth is flat or that 2+ 2 equals 5. Christians are illogical, unsophisticated flat-earth people. I grew up as a Catholic, going to church every Sunday and listening to the same old pastor droning on about the same old absurd bible stories. Then, if you are halfway intelligent, you get to age 14 or so and say to yourself, "This is all utter nonsense--Sunday school stories for kids. Unfortunately, we have lots of conservative adults who never gave up the nonsense. 

No progressive is going to support any serious restriction on abortion--period. We rather feel that women should be free to make their own life decisions--like you make your own life decisions. We rather dislike old moralistic white men who want to poke their fat noses into the lives of women and tell women what sort of reproductive choices they should make. How dare they! These are the same creeps that never miss an opportunity to heap more difficulties on the disadvantaged. There are tens of thousands of kids sitting in foster care in America, leading terrible lives. Who do you think they are? They're children of parents who couldn't raise them properly and shouldn't have had kids in the first place. Alas, we have a christian taliban in America who want to force women to have babies--babies who will grow up with serious disadvantages and who will often end up on the street, in prison or in foster homes. Leave women alone. There is nothing more pathetic and reprehensible than people who wants to force their BS on others. Christians and the anti-abortion people should try getting a life--and then maybe they will not spend so much time obsessed with how other people lead their lives. But they just can't give it up--because they're crazy. It's more evidence of the fact that the United States isn't an advanced country at all; in fact, the U.S.A. is a very backward country because it is full of backward people. They're good people, most of them, just very backward. 



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Nobody should EVER respond to a public policy question with the word 'biblical'--it automatically destroys your credibility. I'm sorry if this offends you, but the bible is a book of nonsense---stories for children. This is why the left has serious problems with christian crazies--because they want to make public policy based on their wacky beliefs. They want to teach creationism in school, which is the equivalent of teaching kids that the Earth is flat or that 2+ 2 equals 5. Christians are illogical, unsophisticated flat-earth people. I grew up as a Catholic, going to church every Sunday and listening to the same old pastor droning on about the same old absurd bible stories. Then, if you are halfway intelligent, you get to age 14 or so and say to yourself, "This is all utter nonsense--Sunday school stories for kids. Unfortunately, we have lots of conservative adults who never gave up the nonsense. 

No progressive is going to support any serious restriction on abortion--period. We rather feel that women should be free to make their own life decisions--like you make your own life decisions. We rather dislike old moralistic white men who want to poke their fat noses into the lives of women and tell women what sort of reproductive choices they should make. How dare they! These are the same creeps that never miss an opportunity to heap more difficulties on the disadvantaged. There are tens of thousands of kids sitting in foster care in America, leading terrible lives. Who do you think they are? They're children of parents who couldn't raise them properly and shouldn't have had kids in the first place. Alas, we have a christian taliban in America who want to force women to have babies--babies who will grow up with serious disadvantages and who will often end up on the street, in prison or in foster homes. Leave women alone. There is nothing more pathetic and reprehensible than people who wants to force their BS on others. Christians and the anti-abortion people should try getting a life--and then maybe they will not spend so much time obsessed with how other people lead their lives. But they just can't give it up--because they're crazy. It's more evidence of the fact that the United States isn't an advanced country at all; in fact, the U.S.A. is a very backward country because it is full of backward people. They're good people, most of them, just very backward. 





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Gosh, it's painfully obvious how big the corn cob is.
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A report I heard on the news said Amy Barrett is among the final 3 for the SC pick.
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Love to see the libs attack a woman. Throws their whole supposed platform out the window. Just like when they attack a black that dares to stray off the plantation
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Here's her wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett
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7 children, she must have views on abortion
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