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OK, I'm getting the mule fed, watered, and harnessed. Enough of this BS.
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BS Liberals need to be dragged behind a mule through the South Texas brush for this overreach. What crap is this?


We're gonna need it. Too many Fresh and Dewy's in this country

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Love Fresh's liberal manifesto.

Exactly why the country rejects them soundly at the ballot box year after year.

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The truth is, you WANT Bill to have raped her, so you believe it.
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... healthcare needs to be single payer. That way we can negotiate a better deal and those 20 somethings that think they'll live in perfect health forever will realize that someday they will be old and another 20 something will be toting part of their note. 

LMAO at your ridiculous "negotiate" notion - HC lobbyists will dictate terms like they are now with Ocare subsidies. It's cute how you think pols "negotiate a better deal" given the way public service unions get their way in "negotiations".

Pols: Hi Joe, thanks for all the campaign contributions. You really saved my arse.
Lobbyists: We're glad you're grateful and we don't have to remind you of it.
Pols: Please don't take offense, but I have to ask - we want a better deal.
Lobbyists: We want more money.
Pols: Okay, as long as you tell everyone we didn't give you everything you wanted.

Very disturbing the way you want 20-somethings not getting HC insurance from their employer to subsidize older/sicker people in the individual market on top of paying for your Medicare, Social Security, underfunded pensions and $20T debt.
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those 20 somethings that think they'll live in perfect health forever will realize that someday they will be old and another 20 something will be toting part of their note.

Overly simplistic view that ignores inequities. Please explain:

- How is it fair only the 20-somethings in the individual market have to subsidize older/sicker people - with after tax dollars to boot?

- Why do you assume these people will be in the individual market from 20-something until eligible for Medicare? Many 20+ers will eventually get better jobs with healthcare benefits and many will start in jobs with benefits and end up in the individual market (e.g. self-employed). It's asinine to suggest everyone will go from subsidizer to subsized.
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GOP has won 3 of the last 5 PRESIDENTIAL elections. The fact you keep touting the popular vote speaks to your knowledge of our electoral system.



You are so shallow. I could tell you without looking how many electoral votes every state has and how every single state voted in every election since at least 2000. But since you are indeed so shallow, here are the facts using your approach:

1. Dems have won 2 of the last 3 Presidential elections, by far bigger margins in the ELECTORAL college than the 1 election won by a Republican. 
2. Dems gained 9 House seats and 2 Senate seats in 2016.

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Overly simplistic view that ignores inequities. Please explain:

- How is it fair only the 20-somethings in the individual market have to subsidize older/sicker people - with after tax dollars to boot?

- Why do you assume these people will be in the individual market from 20-something until eligible for Medicare? Many 20+ers will eventually get better jobs with healthcare benefits and many will start in jobs with benefits and end up in the individual market (e.g. self-employed). It's asinine to suggest everyone will go from subsidizer to subsized.



Do you know anything about insurance?  Why should the individual markets be different than employer based plans. In employer based plans, the young and healthy pay the same premiums as the old and more likely to be sick. Are you raising your hand and volunteering for your portion of health insurance premiums to get higher and higher as you get older and your health care costs increase?

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One of the most telling things is the hundreds of thousands of working class and unemployed whites in Kentucky and West Va who love their health insurance provided by the individual exchanges and insurance market. It's Obamacare. In some areas they gave it a different name and in some areas just called it the Affordable Care Act. Regardless, these people would literally tell you that they hate Obamacare but love their health plan (which is Obamacare, unknown to them). 

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I bet they don’t mind other working class people paying taxes to subsidize or give them insurance at little to no cost. It’s done “unbeknownst” to them.
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Insurance. It's insurance. If everybody used it at the same rate none of the companies could survive. The well always support the sick. People that don't crash their cars pay for those that do in the hope that they never need it. It is what it is. Why would health insurance be any different? You people have this knee jerk reaction to anything referred to as socialist just "because". Insurance has and always will be socialist....it has to. If everybody pays at the rate they use it, we might as well not pay administrators a fee to file the paperwork. It works and is welcomed everywhere but here. Open your minds and stop the automatic negativity towards anything socialistic. It is appropriate in some areas of our society.
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I strongly disagree with your argument attempting to compare health insurance to automobile insurance. If I wreck my car repeatedly my rates go up and if I have enough wrecks and traffic tickets I am placed in a state pool for high risk. The State pool is very expensive and is not subsidized by average drivers. It’s increased costs are borne by those in that high risk pool.
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WHACK!!!
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You are so shallow. I could tell you without looking how many electoral votes every state has and how every single state voted in every election since at least 2000. But since you are indeed so shallow, here are the facts using your approach:

1. Dems have won 2 of the last 3 Presidential elections, by far bigger margins in the ELECTORAL college than the 1 election won by a Republican. 
2. Dems gained 9 House seats and 2 Senate seats in 2016.


But yet you seem unable to grasp the fact that the popular vote doesn't matter in a presidential election.

You are proving 47 with every post

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The truth is, you WANT Bill to have raped her, so you believe it.
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Do you know anything about insurance?  Why should the individual markets be different than employer based plans. In employer based plans, the young and healthy pay the same premiums as the old and more likely to be sick. Are you raising your hand and volunteering for your portion of health insurance premiums to get higher and higher as you get older and your health care costs increase?





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http://nypost.com/2017/10/11/why-are-so-many-teachers-effective-when-many-kids-dont-learn/



Why are so many teachers ‘effective’ when many kids don’t learn?



United Federation of Teachers chief Mike Mulgrew reportedly is crowing that almost 97 percent of city teachers rated “effective” or “highly effective” this year. As well he should — since it means he’s succeeded in making the evaluations a joke.

After all, how do you have so many effective teachers when so many kids can barely read?

Officially, the latest number is 93 percent — for 2016. And the city Department of Education hasn’t yet sent the State Education Department the 2017 figures. But Mulgrew has lots and lots of inside pals at DOE: Heck, thanks to Mayor de Blasio, he practically runs it.

But control of the headline numbers doesn’t change the fact that two-thirds of city sixth-graders can’t read at grade level and three-quarters of eighth-graders can’t do math at grade level.
However effective the teachers might be, the school system plainly isn’t.

Even supposed good news turns out to be hollow. Mayor de Blasio has made Advanced Placement classes and tests available to more high school students, so a third of the Class of 2017 took an AP exam. But only a dismal 18 percent passed at least one of the tests.

In most places, an 82 percent failure rate gets your program shut down.

Similarly, high-school graduation rates are creeping up — but most grads aren’t actually college-ready, and have to spend the early part of their collegiate careers taking non-credit earning, tuition-eating remedial courses. Which is a big reason why many don’t finish college.

Want another sign the system serves vested interests, not the kids? The new OpenTheBooks.com study (discussed below) reveals that 694 of the city’s 775 school custodians earned $100,000 or more last year — with many outearning the principal.

The inmates are running the asylum.


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As someone who has been married to a teacher for 33 years, I can tell you that "Effective" in this context is an insult to the term "setting the bar low".  If I had to guess, I would say that 60-75% of public school teachers don't care much about the kids and do the bare minimum to not get fired.  That is what a union will do for productivity.
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We need to burn down the system and start over
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The truth is, you WANT Bill to have raped her, so you believe it.
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We need to burn down the system and start over

I thought you said you did not like Trump.  ;-)

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It is official, you won the internet today.

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Do you know anything about insurance?  Why should the individual markets be different than employer based plans. In employer based plans, the young and healthy pay the same premiums as the old and more likely to be sick. Are you raising your hand and volunteering for your portion of health insurance premiums to get higher and higher as you get older and your health care costs increase?

Employees pay the same because the employer pays the same - it's called composite rates and it's the norm for group plans.

BTW, many employers are moving from group plans to a defined benefit that helps employees buy insurance on the individual market. The net cost for employees usually vary with these.
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Bama, you really don't have an understanding of the business world, do you? It's OK. I know a ton of people from all walks of life that are happy to just draw a paycheck, but have little to no interest, nor understanding of the painful process of how that paycheck is generated. It's OK, just take a walk down the easy path, and let others do the heavy thinking. It is far better for everyone involved in signing your check, that you would remain thus so, rather than have any input on the matter. Ignorance is indeed bliss. I would even go so far as to encourage it in your case.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/12/black-minnesota-teacher-says-district-discriminated-against-him-for-questioning-race-based-programs.html



A black Minnesota teacher is fighting back against the St. Paul Public School district, which he said has discriminated against him for questioning race-based educational programs, according to a federal lawsuit.

“I filed the lawsuit because the EEOC found probable cause that I was retaliated and racially discriminated for speaking up,” Aaron Benner, who taught fourth grade and now is a Dean of Students (9th Grade) at Cretin-Derham Hall,  told Fox News.

“The irony is the racial discrimination charge. My district always talks about racial equity, and then they got caught going after the only black teacher in the school. I had five frivolous investigations opened up on me."

 

The district allegedly targeted Benner after he publicly criticized the school’s race-based policies, which, according to EAGNews.org, a non-profit organization that promotes education reform, were a direct result of an Obama administration initiative that forced school districts to address disproportionate percentages of minority students being suspended for bad behavior.

Benner – an independent – said it’s not about politics, but rather right and wrong.

“My main problem was that data was being manipulated to keep the numbers low for behavioral referrals when in reality they were going up,” Benner said. “That’s fraud and unethical.”

Benner told Fox News in 2015 that he was punched by a student, and the student was sent back to the classroom within minutes, without any disciplinary action taken.

Benner blamed the San Francisco-based consulting firm Pacific Educational Group, hired by the district in 2010, for conducting “some sort of social experiment” on the students.

“PEG makes no secret of the fact that its prescription for closing the gap is based on the Critical Race Theory,” he wrote in a 2015 op-ed. “This theory argues that racism is so ingrained in the American way of life – its economy, schools, and government – that things must be made unequal in order to compensate for that racism.”

He added: “PEG pushes the idea that black students are victims of white school policies that make it difficult or impossible for them to learn. So, when a black student is disruptive, PEG, as I see it, stresses that it’s not their fault.”

“We don’t have any disciplinary policies that we incorporate in any district whatsoever,” PEG spokesman Kevin Cartwright told Fox News.

St. Paul NAACP Vice President Joel Franklin called it “very disturbing” that the district would go after Benner for “simply voicing concern” about the program, according to the Star Tribune.

“This is going to hamper any efforts to recruit other African-American teachers,” Franklin said.

Saint Paul Public Schools told Fox News they do not comment on pending litigation.

Although U.S. District Judge Susan Nelson indicated the case may be ending soon in a settlement, Benner said he’s willing to go as long as it takes.

“I’m confident that justice will prevail,” Benner said. “I’m in it for the long haul.”


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I just had to add this.  This year, I have to eat in the school's cafeteria since I can't be late for my homeroom.  I haven't eaten in the cafeteria in a very long time.  So, students asked me last week if I had tried to the new "healthy" pizza.  I had not.  You know that we now have to have healthy meals in schools and one of my main complaints is that while things like french fries, ... are all eliminated now, they still have ranch dressing as a self serve.  So, regardless of what food is "healthy" student simply dip everything in ranch.  Guess what this new pizza is?  It is a veggie pizza with ranch dressing as its base.  It has to have a zillion calories.  What a joke!

So, today, I go through the line as I have done every day for the 1st quarter.  We start 2nd Quarter today.  I am told that I am not supposed to be paying in cash.  I am to set up an account online, enter my monies and then, they will scan my card with each purchase.  When I get low, they will tell me so that I put more money into my account.  I tell the cashier that my wife and I don't make any financial transactions online since we don't want to open our bank account to hackers.  Look like I won't be eating in the cafeteria anymore.  They insist I use the online system.  


I wonder what happens to students who's parents aren't able to do this.  

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They get a card, a free lunch account, and don't have to be bothered to jump through hoops. Heck, our ISD has problems getting the parents to fill out a form for free lunches. I think the Houston ISD just gives out free meals 3 times a day to anyone that walks through the line, no questions asked.
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Bama, you really don't have an understanding of the business world, do you? It's OK. I know a ton of people from all walks of life that are happy to just draw a paycheck, but have little to no interest, nor understanding of the painful process of how that paycheck is generated. It's OK, just take a walk down the easy path, and let others do the heavy thinking. It is far better for everyone involved in signing your check, that you would remain thus so, rather than have any input on the matter. Ignorance is indeed bliss. I would even go so far as to encourage it in your case.



This post is akin to Butch Jones telling a much better and more knowledgeable coach they don't really have an understanding of college football. My understanding of the business world runs circles around yours.

-I have worked my entire life, earning my paycheck, paying my taxes.
-I'm a CPA. I know all about how finances work, about payroll deductions, about how folks qualify for assistance, and how they get it. 
-In my line of work, facts are required - not hyperbole from back woods people who love to go around talking about every anecdotal instance of people abusing the system. 
-People abuse every system, of course. But the fact is that the dollars which go to individuals due to entitlement and similar programs that go to well bodied people just seeking the "easy path" is a tiny tiny sliver of the US budget. 
-The interest we have to pay on the national debt alone is staggering. Our out of control debt situation began with Reagan big time, continued thru the elder Bush, was horrendous during the George W Bush years and even more horrendous during Obama years. Only Bill Clinton managed a growing economy that reduced the national debt instead of increased it. Point is these dollars dwarf that which outrages you - and the notion that the GOP are better stewards of our money is a joke. 
-The dollars lost from the wealthy criminals who run the banking system, hedge funds, and huge corrupt money system far outpace the activities which enrage you. The tax breaks and given to the most wealthy and their tax cheating for outpaces the activities which you rage about (in terms of total dollars). 

The fact is you people exaggerate abuses they see and flat out make up others. Conservatives will just say whatever and pass along whatever they hear as fact. They just give away meals to whoever with no documentation. Did you know that woman can keep having babies and make more money than someone who has a full time job?  LOL  



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Delete your account - or keep proving 47 to be true.
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http://www.khou.com/news/local/hisd-students-to-receive-three-free-meals-a-day-for-2017-2018-school-year/469242616
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HOUSTON -- The Houston Independent School District announced Wednesday all students will eat all school meals for free during the 2017-2018 school year.

The approval came from the United States Department of Agriculture and the Texas Department of Agriculture to waive the required application process for the National School Lunch/Breakfast Program.

HISD says the free meals come in the wake of flooding from Tropical Storm Harvey.

“Despite the federal waiver, HISD is still asking parents and guardians to complete and return the application,” HISD stated in a press release. “The National School Lunch/School Breakfast Program applications and surveys are available at https://mealapps.houstonisd.org. They can also be accessed by visiting the HISD Nutrition Services website and clicking on the “One Form Means So Much” button on the right side of the page. The information received in the forms helps the district to secure funding and track student data.”

 “The flooding that is affecting the city of Houston has been devastating to so many. Some of the areas that are the hardest hit are filled with working parents whose limited funds will need to go toward recovery efforts,” said Houston ISD Superintendent Richard Carranza. “This waiver will give our families one less concern as they begin the process of restoring their lives. It will also provide a sense of normalcy by allowing students to have access to up to three nutritious meals each and every school day.”

 The waiver will take effect immediately, allowing students to take advantage of free meals when school resumes.


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This post is akin to Butch Jones telling a much better and more knowledgeable coach they don't really have an understanding of college football. My understanding of the business world runs circles around yours.

-I have worked my entire life, earning my paycheck, paying my taxes.
-I'm a CPA. I know all about how finances work, about payroll deductions, about how folks qualify for assistance, and how they get it. 
-In my line of work, facts are required - not hyperbole from back woods people who love to go around talking about every anecdotal instance of people abusing the system. 
-People abuse every system, of course. But the fact is that the dollars which go to individuals due to entitlement and similar programs that go to well bodied people just seeking the "easy path" is a tiny tiny sliver of the US budget. 
-The interest we have to pay on the national debt alone is staggering. Our out of control debt situation began with Reagan big time, continued thru the elder Bush, was horrendous during the George W Bush years and even more horrendous during Obama years. Only Bill Clinton managed a growing economy that reduced the national debt instead of increased it. Point is these dollars dwarf that which outrages you - and the notion that the GOP are better stewards of our money is a joke. 
-The dollars lost from the wealthy criminals who run the banking system, hedge funds, and huge corrupt money system far outpace the activities which enrage you. The tax breaks and given to the most wealthy and their tax cheating for outpaces the activities which you rage about (in terms of total dollars). 

The fact is you people exaggerate abuses they see and flat out make up others. Conservatives will just say whatever and pass along whatever they hear as fact. They just give away meals to whoever with no documentation. Did you know that woman can keep having babies and make more money than someone who has a full time job?  LOL  





And just what happened to those under the previous administration? They got rich as hell as the Fed pumped nonexistent money into the very pockets the whole democrat party rails against. Also what happened to the purchasing power of the dollars of the poor?

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I'm all for attacking the main problem with our deficit spending. It's SS and Medicare spending that are bankrupting us.

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