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CoachB25

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I have often said in my classroom to my students that they are addicted to their phone and social media.  Among my statements is that they are getting a sense that they are more important than they really are in the scope of overall society.  Anyway, and maybe I am reaching here but I wanted to relate a story from last night.

We have a local restaurant that I really don't care for but they have good prices and my daughter really likes a pasta dish that they have.  I am a fanatical St. Louis Cardinal's fan and so, I do my best to not miss a game either on the radio or TV.  This restaurant has a back room that has a TV and most of the time there are only a couple or two in that section.  So, I prefaced going into the restaurant by saying that if we can go back there and turn the game on, then I'm good to go.  We went in and the game was on with a couple of people back there.  We ordered and the food came in an orderly fashion.  All was good.  The game entered the 8th inning and a worker came back into that section to clear tables and clean.  He goes to the TV and starts changing stations.  Another couple and my family are there.  I ask him why he is changing the station.  He says that he has to clean up that section and so, he wanted to watch something else.  The other gentleman says that we are watching the game.  He stares at both of us like we are from another planet and then continues to change the channel.  I just can't help myself so I yell at him that we are paying customers and turn that game back on.  He say, "I have to work here" as if that is a better reason that the station should be changed.  By then, I don't know who was more angry, myself or the other paying customer.  That guy goes to the manager/owner and brings him back.  It takes the owner to tell the employee to leave the game on.  That makes me even more angry.  I can't post all I said then to the owner and then smart butt employee.  Oh, at one point, the employee says to me, "you don't own the place."  I'm a paying customer! 

That, to me, is a indicator of where our society is headed.  How could that owner have not fired that employee.  I offered to help educate the young man as to what happens to someone who mouths off to someone who can motivate them to keep their mouth shut if you catch my drift. 

Well, thanks for the opportunity to vent.

Take care,

Darrell
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I would never enter that establishment again.
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I would never enter that establishment again.


No, we won't.  The owner knows me and so, I made a point of letting him know that I didn't want to go there in the first place but if this is how his business is being run, I intend to let others know.  He knows I'm well known in the community. 
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I wouldn't penalize the owner for one smarta$$ employee.  I have asked young people in sports bars to change the channel to a softball game many times (and how many other patrons want to watch a softball game??) and they have always happily complied (assuming they could get that channel).  The kid was a punk but certainly not representative of his entire generation.  You, as a teacher, should especially know this.  Are all your students this way?  Or just a handful?  (If it's most or all of them, I feel really sorry for you.  But even in the St. Louis area, I doubt it.  And I'm not slamming St. Louis - it's one of my favorite cities.  And I've always been treated very nicely in restaurants there.)

Would you feel the same way if this happened in your favorite restaurant?  Hopefully the kid gets a stern reprimand from his boss and it won't happen again.  But some people just shouldn't work in the service business.  And it sounds like that kid is one of them.

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DC, had this owner not known me and my reputation, maybe I'd cut him some slack.  However, to listen to an employee say something like, "you don't own the place" and not immediate discipline the employee is the owner's fault.  The owner empowered that employee to smart off to customers and potentially drive business away.  As I mentioned, the other couple were equally outraged.  It was the other guy that went to get the owner/manager. 
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I would never enter that establishment again.

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DC: Muslim Pervert Caught Using Women’s Bathroom at Dulles Airport

Courtesy of Hussein Obama. Source: AAN Exclusive: Muslim Pervert Spotted In Women’s Bathroom | American Action News

On May 25th at 5:00 PM, an AAN source reports that a Muslim man was spotted using the women’s bathroom in the Dulles Airport in the Washington DC area. He was told by women in the bathroom that he was not welcome, comments which he condescendingly brushed aside. After all, why would he bother about “inferior” women’s feelings? This picture of him was taken as he exited the bathroom, still buckling up his shorts.

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The man later met up with 3 women in full black niqabs, possibly his wives (yes, plural). This phenomenon will only get more common with the Obama’s administration obsession with letting anyone choose whatever bathroom is convenient to them, and with unrestricted immigration from third world countries that view women as inferior beings.


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Perfect - intersection of catering to a tiny minority of the population with the Muslim world's natural tendency to think they're above non-Sharia laws.  Thanks Obama.
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Kind of the point of the thread - please post other "signs of the time." 
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A too often returning sign, unfortunately.
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And rightfully so for a private business.
And you know these signs have been prevelant for generations. It's not a new phenomenon.
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The reasons are no longer limited to "no shoes or no shirt".  Many want to take denying service to a whole new level.  It is a sign of our times.
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And you could say the trend to force private businesses to cater to customers they dontt choose to do do business with is also at a new level. I can not understand a person demanding another individual take money that they don't want . There are almost unlimited choices available in the marketplace for whatever you are looking for. Find a business that meets your needs instead of demanding they all do so. Of course it's not all about getting a cake. Its about forcing an agenda
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The reasons are no longer limited to "no shoes or no shirt".  Many want to take denying service to a whole new level.  It is a sign of our times.


I am proudly one of these people. If there was a business in my community that would serve me because I am straight, I would respect their decision. I would also make it known and would hope it would adversely effect their business (it would IMO). Conversely, if there was a business in my community that would not serve gay customers, I would not spend my money there. That is my choice and my way of saying I don't agree. There are some of us that think the market can make these decisions better than the government can. Just a difference of opinion, one I proudly stand behind.
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Tyler - We'll have to agree to disagree but I give you great credit for being straight-forward with your opinion.  Imagine the only movie theater in your very small town not allowing gays or interracial couples to attend.  Or how about the only gun dealer in a small rural town not selling arms to a transgender?  I'm grateful for the many steps in the right direction this great nation has taken and I hope voters won't allow us to move backwards.  You and I are just on completely opposite sides when it comes to the right to deny service.
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If I owned a gun shop, I wouldn't sell to any democrat
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I see, respect and understand your opinion. My biggest fear is giving the government that type of power. If they can force you the serve someone, what else can they force you to do? Where would you draw the line?

It's a slippery slope that conservatives are very wary of when it comes to the government.
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Tyler - The Government might force you to educate your kids, pay taxes, inoculate, observe speed limits, and wear clothes.  I think in our 200 plus years we've drawn some pretty good lines.  Btw, nobody is forced to open and operate a business and serve the kind of people they don't like.  They can go be a writer, a fisherman, or something independent like that.
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It's not the lines today that worry me, it's the lines in the future. Libs seem to not be able to see it (doubtful), or don't mind it (likely). There will always be those who think everyday folks are better at deciding these things than the government.

Coach's original post was very educational about the upcoming generation.
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I would never allow an anecdotal story of a worker in a restaurant represent an upcoming generation.  You're talking to a large group of college parents, (assuming they come into the misc forum), who I believe would strongly disagree with your characterization of our young folk.  In fact, most of the upcoming generation understand, and are likely repulsed by, the discrimination that often results from "denying service".
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They sure seem to be pretty quiet in the defense....
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Yeah, they probably don't like coming over here.  Still, I'm betting they think these college kids are going to be a pretty good generation.  I've been watching these young ladies play for 20 years and I see a lot of young people whose parents can be quite proud of.  In fact I have three of my own daughters who are now starting yet another generation.  You know, there's enough darkness in this forum already.  I know it's not your intention, or CoachB's for that matter, but I'm for not painting these young folk in a broad negative manner.  I'm confident their generation will be just fine.
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We aren't talking about the .0003 per cent of any generation who become college softball players.  Of course they are a special breed with all the missed family outings, missed birthday parties and missed sleepovers.  What they got instead was a work ethic, discipline and knowledge.  Yeah good try dewy, trying to pull a hilLIARry on Coach's thread.  damn dewfus
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I would never allow an anecdotal story of a worker in a restaurant represent an upcoming generation.  You're talking to a large group of college parents, (assuming they come into the misc forum), who I believe would strongly disagree with your characterization of our young folk.  In fact, most of the upcoming generation understand, and are likely repulsed by, the discrimination that often results from "denying service".


Dewey, that "anecdotal story" was not all that I based my story on.  I deal with teenagers every day.  In fact, I'd say that I am more aware of the changes in today's youth than the typical American. 
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CoachB - I understand our experiences may be quite different.  That said, as a parent of three adults in the next generation, the grandparent of six youngsters in the following generation, and after following college students for the last 20 years, I cannot and I will not speak negatively of the next generation or the one following behind them.  I'm happy with all I've seen to date and I'm confident they'll be two generations we'll take pride in.
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And dewy makes it about him before page 1 ends..  We are all ok because dewy has kids and grandkids, Coach is way off base because dewy has kids and grandkids.  We are saved
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Seems like you'd have to be wearing blinders or rose-colored glasses to say you're happy with all you've seen because there has been widespread coverage of troublesome behavior by youths that should cause some concern. I also hear stories about troublesome attitudes and behavior of some college students from my kids. It is fairly common, however I'm thankful it is not the overwhelming norm as some project.
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PDad - You tend to dissect the posts of Democrats to see if you can find a word out of place.  You don't do that with Conservatives.  In any event, I've already said I don't have the education you have and will never be as spot on with the written word as you may be.  Of course I'm speaking as a whole and never do I intend to suggest "all" as being the case in any instance though I fail to proof read my posts at times.  My overall attitude remains the same.  I'm confident there remains a very successful future in the generation behind mine and the one behind theirs and that, "for the most part", they're headed in the right direction.  I've witnessed too many examples supporting my thoughts to believe otherwise. 
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If the kid gets fired all he has to do is come out as trans. He'll be lionized by the media, win a big discrimination lawsuit,and get his own reality TV show.

This is what progressives must mean when they talk "opportunity in America."

"You too can be a Kardashian!"

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