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GrizzlyFan

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HIDDEN CAM: Alison Grimes campaign caught in 'lying game'...

Will 'wipe out that coal industry'...

VIDEO: 'She's just got to do what she's got to do to get elected'...

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If Obamacare is such a good thing, why did he have to lie about it to get it passed?
Dewey

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Grizzly - It's funny you should start this thread.  Let's test your theory on if spin makes one a liar.  Please give me your position on these three questions...

1)  Do you think being foreign born should disqualify one from running for POTUS?

2)  Do you think Republicans should try and find a way to phase out Social Security over time and have people save for their own retirement in their own way?

3)  Do you think it's an unwise decision for college students to invite a man, one who tried to kill another man for no good reason but failed, to address their assembly with a speech?  How about a man who didn't fail and actually killed another human being?

Please give us that clear and straight answer so you can't be accused of being a GOP liar.  I think your thread title is intended to be offensive and I'd like to see an example of a Republican being straight with the people.
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Candidates running for office say what their "hired ad people" tell them to say in order to get votes.  In coal country they are for coal.  In Green country they are against fossil fuels damaging the ozone layer.  Demonizing opponents is standard operating procedure.  Do politicians lie?  Of course they do.  It's the best way to get elected in the system.  One told me, "Of course I lie.  I can't do anything until I get elected".  After election comes operating within the state or federal machine.  Then the lies (spin) are to maintain an image for the next election or to make their Party look good, or the other Party or individual within the other Party look bad.  Deception is a huge part of politics.  

The only real philosophy that politicians see as viable is pragmatism.  

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keepinitreal

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Aren't those just a rehash of those questions found on the thread without a purpose?
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
fhoenix

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Every other day there is a republican or democrat caught in a lie, exaggeration, spin, or trying to cheese the system in their favor politically.
All of them are doing what they have to do to get elected or re-elected. It isn't personal--it is politics.
This forum would have more "politician caught in lies and deception" than softball scores if we posted them all.


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Dewey

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fhoenix - True.  Unfortunately, one side is more apt to come to a softball forum to call out the other for what does indeed go on most everywhere.  When you consider the author of the criticism refuses to state her own personal position on various issues while calling out another for being far too vague, it's not only questionable, it's hypocritical.
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Can you please give this BS a rest already?  God, it's getting old.


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Grizzly - It's funny you should start this thread.  Let's test your theory on if spin makes one a liar.  Please give me your position on these three questions...

1)  Do you think being foreign born should disqualify one from running for POTUS?

2)  Do you think Republicans should try and find a way to phase out Social Security over time and have people save for their own retirement in their own way?

3)  Do you think it's an unwise decision for college students to invite a man, one who tried to kill another man for no good reason but failed, to address their assembly with a speech?  How about a man who didn't fail and actually killed another human being?

Please give us that clear and straight answer so you can't be accused of being a GOP liar.  I think your thread title is intended to be offensive and I'd like to see an example of a Republican being straight with the people.
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mikec - Just because you ask, I can't just ignore a new thread by a member, who refuses to state a clear position on most anything, calling out Democrats for not being more clear about their positions.  Too hypocritical to ignore.  In any case, if these questions ever get answered, they'd no longer be necessary.  Not unlike you carrying on about the IRS because you haven't heard the answer you want to hear.  Besides, nothing can be more tiring than multiple comments, criticizing Democrats and President Obama, each and every day for over 2000 consecutive days now.  By now they serve no purpose whatsoever other than to poke and irritate the Left inside this forum.  As I've said before, it's like your kid coming home every day and saying "I don't like my teacher".  How old could that get?

mikec

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Maybe Michelle is proud by now, I don't know.  [smile]
Dewey

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mikec - No, not for at least another 2,000 days in the minds of many.  But good one anyway. [wink]
spazsdad

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like your kid coming home every day and saying "I don't like my teacher".  How old could that get?


Depends. Is the teacher incompetent at his job?
Ps your Schtick of repeating hypothetical questions all over every thread in an attempt to derail them is a bigger problem than someone not answering said question. You got questions, start a thread. See if they stand on their own. Leave other people's topic free of your clutter.

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keepinitreal

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like your kid coming home every day and saying "I don't like my teacher".  How old could that get?

Depends. Is the teacher incompetent at his job? Ps your Schtick of repeating hypothetical questions all over every thread in an attempt to derail them is a bigger problem than someone not answering said question. You got questions, start a thread. See if they stand on their own. Leave other people's topic free of your clutter.


great post.  "You got questions, start a new thread.  See if they stand on their own"  He's too busy hijacking and being number one nutsucker.  Did he ever comment on Alison Grimes?  You know, the thread subject.

About the 2000 days.  They are still talking about Sara Palin, George Bush and Ronald Reagan after more than 2000 after they left office or out of the public's eye so curious george is fair game for at least 2000 days after he leaves office, the precedent has been set right here by the moderator.  I'm sure the readers noticed

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
GrizzlyFan

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When a democRAT politician lies, dewdy simply calls it being too vague with their answer or position. 
Example: If you like your health insurance you can keep it PERIOD!!
Dewey your pathetic attempts at playing "gotcha" not only reek of dewdy but they also expose your hypocrisy!
Example: You ask, Do you think it's an unwise decision for college students to invite a man, one who tried to kill another man for no good reason but failed, to address their assembly with a speech?
You are referring to Dr Ben Carson who admitted to getting so angry he tried to kill someone when he was a troubled youth. (Of course if he were a democRAT you would blame that on society and white republicans). Carson has since straightened out his life, became a neurosurgeon and dedicated his life to saving lives of children.
Yet you have no problem with Bill Ayers not only speaking to numerous assemblies, but even teaching youth in a classroom. Even though he was involved with an organization that was responsible for actually killing people!
This is how warped you democRATS are! Ben Carson is the bad guy in your eyes.


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If Obamacare is such a good thing, why did he have to lie about it to get it passed?
Dewey

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Depends. Is the teacher incompetent at his job?


Seriously?  You really want to hear your kid come home every day and say "I don't like my teacher"?  I don't get it but I guess different strokes for different folks.  Btw, why all the post police?  You guys post what you want and I'll respond with my comments.  Better yet, let's just shut down all the Democrat and Obama criticism, if you can't stand hearing anyone respond, and we'll make this all about softball again.  I'm ready to stop when you guys are.
Dewey

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GrizzlyFan - You continue to skip over every question that comes your way.  You never answer one.  How you have the nerve to call out Democrats for how they answer questions is beyond me.  Enough said.
GrizzlyFan

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I call them out for lying.
Your questions are pointless attempts at "gotcha".
Nobody was playing gotcha when Obama blatantly lied 30+ times to the American people about keeping their insurance.
Nor was anyone playing gotcha when Alison Grimes made statements about being all for the coal industry. These democRATS simply went out and deliberately tried to deceive the public to get elected knowing that they would do the opposite when given the opportunity.
Ever wonder why democRATS have to lie about their agenda to get elected? Everyone acts like constitutional conservatives when they campaign.

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Dewey

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Grizzly - When someone spends weeks criticizing a Democrat President for supposedly being foreign born, as you did, and then is asked their thoughts on a foreign born Conservative running for POTUS only to respond, "I don't know", it isn't a gotcha question.  It's exposing hypocrisy.
keepinitreal

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Quote:
 Better yet, let's just shut down all the Democrat and Obama criticism, if you can't stand hearing anyone respond, and we'll make this all about softball again.  I'm ready to stop when you guys are.


LOL, heard that one before, ain't gonna happen.  That's like asking you to just stay away from the obama posts and get on with your life at taco tuesday and the race tracks.  obama has so many areas left to screw up, we'll be here 2000 days after he leaves office we have so much more ground to cover

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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Grizzly - When someone spends weeks criticizing a Democrat President for supposedly being foreign born, as you did, and then is asked their thoughts on a foreign born Conservative running for POTUS only to respond, "I don't know", it isn't a gotcha question.  It's exposing hypocrisy.


Obama is foreign born and so is Cruz. They set the precedent with the Kenyan so they must allow the Canadian. No problem answering that simple question. Now quit hijacking what wads your panties. Stay on subject or go to your questions with no purpose thread

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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GrizzlyFan - You continue to skip over every question that comes your way.  You never answer one.  How you have the nerve to call out Democrats for how they answer questions is beyond me.  Enough said.

NO one has an obligation to answer your stupid questions. Where you ever got that idea is total crap Ola. Joisey doesn't answer half the questions thrown his way and we don't dwell on it. Answer what you wish to answer and leave the rest alone. What a dufus

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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All these posts and no one on the left has answered for the topic of the original.

Squirrel!

Lol
Dewey

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FIB - First I'll agree with JG that most politicians spin their plans in the best light possible.  What the readers should find odd here is how one side will call out the other as if they don't do precisely the same thing.  In any event, and understanding I'm willing to be challenged while others are less willing, I'll take a stab at what are not simple yes/no questions but general links with an assumption somebody should just respond.  Well, I don't think it will help me get my questions addressed but it will keep my promise in order.  Here goes.

First off, I understand these videos are edited to make the insinuations look more real and are mostly out of context.  That's the first problem.  Secondly, I understand these folks are not actually primary campaign staff but activists "insisting Grimes is on their side" as Media Matters puts it.  In other words, they're bragging to people not to read too much into Ms. Grimes words as she doesn't mean it exactly how it sounds.  Of course they're going to tell potential voters that.  I suspect these folks likely have no idea exactly what the candidate is suggesting just as we can't understand if the GOP really has a problem with foreign born Presidents or not.  Some people just will not reveal their "inner secrets".  I know politicians must be careful how they word things or they may lose an election.  That aside, if anyone can explain why a simple citizen in a forum would hesitate in sharing their "inner secrets", please share it with us.

Now remember this thread next time I'm ignored.  Heck, that might be later today. [wink] 
keepinitreal

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No one has an obligation to answer anything you ask. Just as joisey usually ignores questions while asking his own. That's life, get over yourself and your feeling of self import dewdy all the while trying to derail other's threads. Who cares where Cruz was born, the precedent was set when the Kenyan was elected. Different topic
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
ForeverInBlue

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Already had the Media Matters spin.
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FIB - What do you think about a Conservative lying about where Obama was born right in the middle of a "lying Democrat" thread?  You can't make this stuff up.
keepinitreal

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Being born in Kenya blows your whole dumbass line of questions to pieces. Facts are facts. You have successfully hijacked the thread but why do you think his school records are sealed to the public. He was successful being elected even though he wasn't born here, now move on
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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Were his parents even American citizens? I don't know, you tell me dewdy
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
keepinitreal

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Same common sense that tells you that thousands of military personnel would have lost their lives if part of a residual force in Iraq tells me obama was born out of this country. Why do you think he sends representatives to the Oklahoma beheaders mosque? An American wouldn't do that
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
JoiseyGuy

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Real - "No one has an obligation to answer your stupid questions" - Does that work both ways or is this just another example of "two legs baaaaaad; four legs gooooood"??  
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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No, it works both ways.  I just thought you would have a take on Ezekiel  Emanuel since he said everyone over 75 should be put to pasture.  As an architect of obamacare I kind of figured you would shy away from answering a real LIFE question on obamacare to spare your buddy dewy anymore embarrassment  No surprise there and besides you substantiate and strengthen my claim of stupidity that we are somehow obligated to answer dewdy's questions.  I fully understand and support your right to remain mum on anything of substance.  


2 legs good, 4 legs baaaad, 'the washington way', follow the money, vivacious cheerleader, just keep throwing out the canned responses and you'll be fine sitting in the bleachers and out of the game.

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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