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Dewey

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Q - In the best interests of America, President Reagan made a decision to bring all undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and give them legal status.  Do you believe his decision was based on his support of child molestation and/or Americans being killed?  Is this how you interpreted his decision?

A - No.

Q - Democrats would like to make a similar decision today.  Bring these folks out of the shadows, pay a fine, pay taxes, and be accounted for.  Do you believe Democrats support our children being raped and our citizens being killed?

A - __________


spazsdad - Some day in the future, all these undocumented immigrants will surely be given legal status.  It's important to bring them out of the shadows and make them tax paying legal workers.  A few days after this happens, one of these will make a bad choice and kill an American.  I can sympathize with the person who will say "if only they weren't here, this American wouldn't be dead", but the overall picture has to be taken into consideration and addressed.  There will also be examples of these immigrants saving the life of an individual, whether it be through their job or in their private life, so this argument could go round and round.  In any event, if we used this thought process, we wouldn't allow legal immigration or tourism either.

We both know many Cubans made the trip to the US and if they reached land, we likely made them legal.  I have no doubt some of these Cubans have caused the death of American citizens but does this necessarily mean we made an error in judgment?  I don't think so as the Cuban population has also made great contributions to society. 

Finally, it's been said over and over and it simply isn't true.  I don't know anyone who supports open borders where immigrants just come here without a concern.  In fact, I think we've gone to great lengths to secure our borders.  Anyone who claims Democrats are for open borders and uninhibited immigration is simply wrong.

ForeverInBlue - It's time I stop engaging you as you're an extremely unfriendly person that has let emotion interfere with your better senses.  I'll simply close by asking you why President Reagan doesn't fall under your disgusting and vile label?  Maybe you can explain the distinction to the readers.
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Dewey - Anyone here illegally needs to be sent back.  Of course the border must be secure or they'll just return in a matter of weeks, if not days.  You and your administration can crow about what "great lengths" have been gone to, but the absolute bottom line is the border is no more secure now than 2008. 

Counting people refused entry at the border as deportations in an attempt to make this administration look better is ridiculously transparent.  Although that doesn't stop you and yours from claiming more deportations are happening under Obama. 

Nothing I've seen leads me to believe that many, if not most, Dems would be just fine with open borders and the Dem voting leeches that it would let in.
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First you're going to stop engaging me, and then you ask a question in the same paragraph.

You're a loon!

Some Cubans illegally immigrated and contribute to society, so never mind the rapists and murderers among them. Why have a border at all?

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I didn't expect an answer so I'll put it out there for others to address.  Why is my support for the nearly identical decision President Reagan made considered vile whereas he isn't criticized to the same extent?
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We didn't have open borders under Reagan and he didn't support child molesters and gang members coming over. There's your answer
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I believe many people have criticized Reagan for his amnesty including his own regret of the action he took. I for one think it was a huge mistake, just like it is this time around.
I don't know how you can compare legal immigrants and tourists to illegals in my scenario. Those two groups of people are here legally so obviously a major distinction in our viewpoints on the matter.
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We don't have open borders.  Two million have been processed through ICE and deported.  More than President Bush.  Here's an article noting thousands of sex offenders deported.  In addition, added border patrol has reduced illegal immigration.  It's simply inaccurate to say Obama favors letting in sex offenders and criminals. Who in their right mind believes such a statement?

In any event, some have managed to twist the question in a different direction to try and separate Reagan's fix from today's fix.  We were talking about undocumented immigrants that may commit a crime after given legal status.  I'm sure it happened during the Reagan reform and I would be wrong to suggest it won't happen again.  That would be sad, regardless of a person's status, but this immigration problem calls out for a solution and supporting the type of reform Reagan offered is much needed again.

Finally, President Reagan was against a border security fence.  In the minds of many today, he'd be severely attacked for his willingness to allow sex offenders to just walk in this Country.  Then again, he's Republican and he may have received different treatment.  There's no way one can be Conservative and vile.



spazsdad - I wrote the above post before I read yours.  What I'm saying is sometime soon all these immigrants are going to be given legal status.  If you're telling me you will not complain aloud if one commits a crime after being declared legal, then you're right, tourists and legal immigrants are irrelevant to compare.  If not, then a governmental decision to allow someone to be in this Country, who eventually kills somebody, can be brought up as a complaint in many similar scenarios.  Finally, I get many of you disagreed with Reagan and you don't want to do this again.  That's very clear and I understand your strong campaign against.  I simply want to know if you think Reagan did it in order to allow child molesters access to our Country?  I'm guessing your answer is no.

Edit:  This "crime question" makes for another very important reason to get these folks under the legal tent.  Today, an undocumented does something wrong and the whole community is cast under a dark cloud as unsavory.  Once we make these folks legal, this unfair and blanket impression of these hard working people will disappear in the event such a tragedy or crime does occur.
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Michael Reagan has said his father would have endorsed the Rubio plan which allows immigrants to stay.  Ed Meese claims the President regretted his legislation decision but, the way I read it, he regretted how the enforcement part of the deal never materialized.  Nowhere do I read the former President saying he's sorry for allowing the immigrants to stay.

I don't doubt if this Country doesn't make a decision as to whether they prefer secure borders and employer enforcement, or the labor immigrants provide, we could be right back here again years down the road.  This is a decision America must make.  As for me, I'm all for improved border security, work permits, and employer enforcement to be part of any immigration reform.  I'm definitely not for deporting all undocumented immigrants. I'm rather certain President Reagan wasn't for that either.  He basically admitted so here...

In the 1984 debate with Mondale, Reagan went further when asserting, "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here even though some time back they may have entered illegally."



Edit:  I was responding to another post but it disappeared.
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Not really, because anyone who is white that does that gets called out, ostracized, labeled a bigot, fired, suspended, or whatever.

Holder and Obama are applauded when they do it.

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mike - Do you know any caucasian  "race baiters" either in or out of government?  Takes two to tango.  


mikec - I used to sympathize with you and bhblue when you told the readers that far too often, when criticizing this President, some out there would respond with an accusation of "racists".  There was some truth to your concerns.  I've since come to realize that if one supports President Obama, and/or Democrats in general, they're far too often accused of being in favor of child molesters as well as being haters, or uncaring, of those who serve.  The accusation Hillary favors child molestation has recently been made inside here and I'm not sure if any on the Right inside here disagree.  She's already been accused of not caring for our men and women who serve so my claims seem fully supported.


Look like it all goes back to post #69 again

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Dewey

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The thread topic has turned to hypocrisy.


Is it OK to call people "veteran haters"?  Yes

Is it OK to call people "child haters"?  Yes

Is it OK to call people "haters of the rich"?  Yes

Is it OK to call a Democrat in favor of immigration reform vile?  Yes

Is it OK to call a Republican in favor of immigration reform vile?  You better not.

Is it OK to call people "minority haters"?  You better not.


This is one side accepting personal attacks as long as it's the type they can accept.  You have to follow the train of thought to understand the connection to the topic.
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Q - In the best interests of America, President Reagan made a decision to bring all undocumented immigrants out of the shadows and give them legal status.  Do you believe his decision was based on his support of child molestation and/or Americans being killed?  Is this how you interpreted his decision?

A - No.

Q - Democrats would like to make a similar decision today.  Bring these folks out of the shadows, pay a fine, pay taxes, and be accounted for.  Do you believe Democrats support our children being raped and our citizens being killed?

A - __________


spazsdad - Some day in the future, all these undocumented immigrants will surely be given legal status.  It's important to bring them out of the shadows and make them tax paying legal workers.  A few days after this happens, one of these will make a bad choice and kill an American.  I can sympathize with the person who will say "if only they weren't here, this American wouldn't be dead", but the overall picture has to be taken into consideration and addressed.  There will also be examples of these immigrants saving the life of an individual, whether it be through their job or in their private life, so this argument could go round and round.  In any event, if we used this thought process, we wouldn't allow legal immigration or tourism either.

We both know many Cubans made the trip to the US and if they reached land, we likely made them legal.  I have no doubt some of these Cubans have caused the death of American citizens but does this necessarily mean we made an error in judgment?  I don't think so as the Cuban population has also made great contributions to society. 

Finally, it's been said over and over and it simply isn't true.  I don't know anyone who supports open borders where immigrants just come here without a concern.  In fact, I think we've gone to great lengths to secure our borders.  Anyone who claims Democrats are for open borders and uninhibited immigration is simply wrong.

ForeverInBlue - It's time I stop engaging you as you're an extremely unfriendly person that has let emotion interfere with your better senses.  I'll simply close by asking you why President Reagan doesn't fall under your disgusting and vile label?  Maybe you can explain the distinction to the readers.


Why in the world would this post even be on this thread??  Who are the racists?

Is this the point where President Reagan was brought to the "racists thread"?  What a loon

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The thread topic has turned to hypocrisy.


Is it OK to call people "veteran haters"?  Yes

Is it OK to call people "child haters"?  Yes

Is it OK to call people "haters of the rich"?  Yes

Is it OK to call a Democrat in favor of immigration reform vile?  Yes

Is it OK to call a Republican in favor of immigration reform vile?  You better not.

Is it OK to call people "minority haters"?  You better not.


This is one side accepting personal attacks as long as it's the type they can accept.  You have to follow the train of thought to understand the connection to the topic.


I have followed your intent on several threads started by others that you don't approve of. You attempt  very quickly to 'wound' or 'torpedo' a thread that you dissaprove of.  If you can derail it off it's subject matter is always your goal.  Some threads you are successful as a good Saul Alinsky disciple and some threads you are not successful.

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Dewy used this thread to deflect to president Reagan. I want to remind the readers that Reagan came to office with life experiences that are lacking with the present clown in office. This clown is learning on the fly on our time and on our dime.

Reagan's life lessons all made him a better leader, a better man and a greater American. Obama the clown is none of those things. Reagan came to office with experience as a lifeguard, sportscaster, film star, soldier, union leader, corporate spokesman, and Governor.

We'll talk more on the vast differences between the man Ronald Reagan and the novice failure known as barack obama. To compare the two shows nothing but a full fledged man crush

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Reagan broke the law, (Iran/Contra), apologized to America, tripled our debt, had several Administration officials indicted or convicted, and allowed a form of amnesty with his immigration reform bill.  I'm not here to necessarily criticize the former President but to put a perspective on the attacks of President Obama today.  This President inherited an economy that was going to more than double the debt and he has managed to reduce that forecast by decreasing our deficits.  In any case, I'm just showing, like I have in so many other posts, how the Right can accept certain negatives as long as the person is a Conservative.  Democrats are not given the same leeway.
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So in the same sentence about Iran/contra, you can't mention the illegal operation known as fast and furious and there were never any charges or jail time involved? Are you going to spin it and say you elected this asswipe therefore you supported fast and furious? So you support child molesters and gang members crossing our borders, do you support our government supplying guns to drug cartels and the killing of border patrol agents since it was the president YOU voted for doing it? I think I have seen you deny all culpability by this administration and even pinned that one on Bush. Those are the things pabar is talking about that you say is old news, take some ownership barack jr.
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And if you oppose this POTUS, the only reason is because you're a bigot.


mikec - If you support this President, you're for children being raped and veterans dying.  If you support this President, you can't care about the Constitution and you don't care about America.  Unfortunately, you can only see one side.  If you support the President, it's appropriate to be accused of favoring policies that allow children to be raped and veterans to be pushed aside to die.  However, if one accuses an opponent of this President of helping to support racist policies, or actually being racist, you'd think their first born was just murdered.
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Krauthammer said obama, the Kenyan is in the bottom 5 presidents EVER.  Wow, tell it German
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And if you oppose this POTUS, the only reason is because you're a bigot.


mikec - If you support this President, you're for children being raped and veterans dying.  If you support this President, you can't care about the Constitution and you don't care about America.  Unfortunately, you can only see one side.  If you support the President, it's appropriate to be accused of favoring policies that allow children to be raped and veterans to be pushed aside to die.  However, if one accuses an opponent of this President of helping to support racist policies, or actually being racist, you'd think their first born was just murdered.


Dewey, stop being a tool. We know you are all in for a failed administration. Please do yourself, and everyone else a favor, and take another sabbatical. This National nightmare will be over soon. Good God man, it has become indefensible, yet you are still wearing the cheerleader outfit, and gagging on the flailing strands of your own pom poms. Enough already. Save some face for later. Soon enough, the adults will take back control of foreign policy, monetary policy, and maybe even pass a balanced budget.This Administration is toast, and inept at everything it touches. Even the college kids that voted for him are even saying, what the hell is this crap? Just stop already with the talking points, nobody is taking you seriously anymore, and you are losing any credibility you had as a debater. We see what is happening in our country, and it is not a good thing since the Leftist Socialist Obama Administration took charge. This nation is ready to surge forward. It will be a surge of huge employment in Oil and Natural Gas Companies. We are at a turning point in our National Economy, we have overtaken the Saudi Royal Family. We are on the precipice of a huge employment opportunity for average Americans. Not only can we become energy independent, but we will create a huge amount of PRIVATE sector jobs, that pay good wages, and offer full health care benefits. Again, this requires nothing more, than the present Liberal Environmental Socialist Administration to get the Hell out of the way of great Americans that are pushing forward, and doing great things for our country. Why, or better yet, how could you possibly object to an energy, and economic Renaissance in the United States? You are standing behind Dear Leader, and are completely blind, and ignorant as to the real world that is emerging whether or not it is occurring during Obama's term or not. Obama, like you, have become irrelevant in the global economic debate. You are not even in the game, you just suck capital off the people that know how to play the game. Pathetic Socialist Liberals fail again. Get a clue, and join us in debate when you have some semblance of an economic plan that doesn't include handing out other people's money to your voter base for their vote. Until then, you are irrelevant to any debate regarding the forwarding of our nation as a strong economic force. You are just a drag on it, and your fellow Liberal Socialist are just Teat Suckers that cannot provide any substantive alternative to Capitalism.

Edit, and PS, We in the energy producing regions of our country, have not only the economic power to change our nations economic path, we have the money to buy politicians, and ABC agency regulators. The Leftist Environmentalist may get a short blurb on MSNBC, decrying the Petro Chem industry, but the MSNBC's and the rest of the MSM of the world, make their advertising revenues from people other than the Sierra Club, and their ilk.

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An organization that published a list of 29 “Pitfalls of Working With White People” that was circulated at a diversity conference earlier this year received hundreds of thousands of dollars in grants from the U.S. Department of Justice, the Daily Caller has learned.

Beyond Diversity Resource Center, based in New Jersey, is listed as a partner organization for the White Privilege Conference which was held in Madison, Wisc. in March.

One of the “pitfalls” listed on the Center’s pamphlet, published by the website Progressives Today, is that white people “ask stupid questions”.

The diversity group, which claims that it “works to build a society that honors individuals because of their cultural differences”, wrote on the pamphlet that whites “benefit financially off the backs of people of color.”

White people “are arrogant”, they “say something stupid” and “get too friendly too fast,” the diversity center’s pamphlet claims.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/20/group-that-listed-pitfalls-of-working-with-white-people-received-doj-grants/#ixzz32TwME3W5


https://twitter.com/i/status/1057666840170766337

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agreed.

Which commencement? 

Eric Holder and BHO are both future Al Sharpton type race baiters.  They are already spreading their venom, just wait until they are out of office.  For from uniting this country, there now is more division than ever.


From 05/18/14  Nailed 



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FIB -  I vote for the President and then I basically support his decisions.  I'm not smart enough to know exactly what we should do in Iraq, exactly what we need to do at the border, etc.  Now tell me what policy I'm supposed to be supporting or opposing.  I understand you have an article written by a right leaning source that says some kids with gang tattoos are being placed in these centers as well.  I have no idea how accurate or how significant this story is but I'm sure we'll take the necessary steps to review and make a decision as to how these teenagers/children are handled.  I'm certainly not interested in surfing the internet, finding a right leaning story like this one, and then leaping out of my seat to start calling everyone pro child molesters or pro gang members based on some comments from a national review reporter.  There's probably a lot more to this story than I would understand at this time.

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That doesn't sound like Will. I think this is one conspiracy you guys are going to have to let go. I really appreciate someone that has to find something he said and congratulate himself. Most of us just wait for somebody else to recognize our brilliance. You appear to only be appreciated by yourself. 
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If he wasn’t Dewey, he would say so.

His non answer is deafening.
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That doesn't sound like Will. I think this is one conspiracy you guys are going to have to let go. I really appreciate someone that has to find something he said and congratulate himself. Most of us just wait for somebody else to recognize our brilliance. You appear to only be appreciated by yourself. 


I congratulate myself when I find a prognostication that I nailed from 4 years ago hell yeah. I don't need your permission that's for you selfie stick slick.

I study history, UCS history, it's interesting and the one constant was dewey's love for Obama. Whether it sounds like Will to you means little in the whole scope of things, your belief that Will is NOT Dewey, proves your ignorance or trolling, 2 options. I'm infatuated like Dewey is about obama for different reasons of course, so yeah I don't have a problem congratulating myself for nailing one, I highlight Dewey's history more than anyone, he's the opposite, he's been wrong more often by far.

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Here we go back by special request from May 2014

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agreed.

Which commencement?

Eric Holder and BHO are both future Al Sharpton type race baiters. They are already spreading their venom, just wait until they are out of office. For from uniting this country, there now is more division than ever.

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Might as well, nobody else will.
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That the best you can do?  Weak sauce old man
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If he wasn’t Dewey, he would say so.

His non answer is deafening.


Exactly.  Fresh - you haven't been here long enough to know all of the similarities between Dewey and WIW.

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Might as well, nobody else will.


This is representative of all of your posts.  100% venom and personal attacks.  We all have venom but KIR mixes his in with real posts backed up by evidence, reason and facts.  

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Who's a racist? Trump quite clearly is a racist, and there are tons of racists in America, who all started slithering out of their holes when Obama was elected--especially those without a college degree. Men without a college education began swinging to the political right in....2008, when Obama was elected. The Wall St. Journal published a graph showing as much a day or two ago. 

Illegal immigration has been going down for years--it went down significantly under Obama. Trump just plays his base--gets all the rubes lathered up about an invasion of child molesters and rapists. It's nonsense. The GOP is a dishonest party that specializes in propaganda and conspiracy theories these days--not much more. 

And I saw this today: “Miracle on the Hudson” pilot “Sully” Sullenberger, an Air Force veteran and lifelong Republican, is urging Americans to vote against the GOP - calling them "cowardly, complicit enablers, acting against the interests of the United States".

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