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Lawmaker Accuses Republicans of Secretly Wanting to Abort Biracial Babies           

 

Wait, what?

“Ninety-nine percent of all of the white people in here are going to raise their hand that they are against abortion,” state Rep. Alvin Holmes, D-Montgomery, said on the floor, as recorded by AL.com. “On the other hand, 99 percent of the whites who are sitting here now, if their daughters got pregnant by the black man, they are going to make their daughter have an abortion.”

The topic turned to race soon after Rep. Mary Sue McClurkin, R–Indiana Springs, the author of one antiabortion bill, compared her legislation to Brown v. Board of Education, the landmark U.S. Supreme Court case that desegregated public schools by ruling that separate is not equal. The 1954 ruling resulted in social tumult in Alabama and other Southern states and is believed to have helped usher in the civil rights movement. 

According to Slate, McClurkin, when asked if she was worried about potential court challenges regarding her abortion bill, remarked, “I’m not really concerned about the challenges. We’ve had challenges before. We wouldn’t have some of the things we have now if it hadn’t been for Brown v. Board of Education.”  

Holmes’ comments come at a time when having an abortion in Alabama is nearly impossible and low-income black women are struggling to find access to family planning clinics.

The Alabama Department of Public Health, at the behest of pro-life organizations, issued a closure order in 2012 demanding the closure of the New Women All Women abortion clinic in Birmingham, one of the last clinics in the state. That happened this week.  

According to The Raw Story, Holmes turned to McClurkin and asked if she’d allow her daughter to have a mixed-race baby.

“Yes, I would,” she replied. “I would let it run around in my living room and enjoy it as my grandchild.”

“Well, I need to commend you then,” Holmes said. “There’s not one in 100,000 that would do that.”

 

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Lost One - Did I read that this conversation took place in Alabama???    
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"Holmes’ comments come at a time when having an abortion in Alabama is nearly impossible and low-income black women are struggling to find access to family planning clinics."

Here is an idea for family planning. Plan on keeping your legs closed if you can't afford to raise a child.

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According to Hank Aaron, the most racist are those that disagree and disapprove of barack obama's job performance.
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Wonder if Mr. H. Aaron would of had the same response if Obama was considered White.????
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Today, someone reminded me of this wonderful quote from MLK:

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.  Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that".

How true indeed and what a beautiful message for all of us to hear and live.  I know I've fallen short of that standard on many occasions.  It's sad to me that someone of Hank Aaron's stature felt compelled to stoop to that very low level.  I don't think that is representative of how he carried himself throughout the majority of his life.

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As an eloquent speech maker, and revered justice advocate, I wont call him a Civil Rights leader. He was a leader of truth. Truth wins out, and he was not afraid to speak out against what he and many others considered wrong. I would venture to guess that if Dr. King was alive today, and saw the enslavement of millions of Blacks to a failed welfare state, and saw the destruction of a once strong Black family unit, he would be in Washington beating down the doors of Congress with a flame thrower strapped to his back. Thus, the MSM would treat him as they do any number of Black "Leaders" that advocate a self reliant, responsible family unit. They would vilify him, and discredit him, and run him out of town on a rail for opposing the so called "Great Society" that has continued to enslave Blacks in this country. Different era, different plantation, but still treated as slaves instead of Americans, by a Political Party that bought their votes, and their self esteem, for a check in the mail.
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Dead on woody
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spazsdad
Plan on keeping your legs closed if you can't afford to raise a child.


Uh, you didn't learn anything from 2012??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/17/foster-friess-bayer-aspirin-contraception_n_1284387.html

Believe it or not, I have asked this same question to several people I know that are very strongly anti-abortion and most of them reply as Rep. Holmes suggested.  Only a few indicated that abortion in such circumstances would still be unacceptable, sighing and saying it's God's will, but obviously would not be too happy about it.  Same question but if their daughter was raped.  Pretty much the same response.  Yes, there are still racists out there.

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And many of them are of Liberals, and people of Color. I could care less what color of the species you are, just who you are. Get over the race baiting game. Nobody cares what color you are, just who and what you are. Big difference.
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https://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/families-protest-alabama-lawmaker-s-racist-comments-213307879.html


Adoptive parents in Alabama are firing back against state Rep. Alvin Holmes and the race-based, controversial comments he made during an abortion-bill debate in March. In addition to claiming that 99 percent of white legislators would force their daughters to have an abortion if impregnated by a black man, Holmes also said, "I will bring you $100,000 cash tomorrow if you show me a whole bunch of whites that adopted blacks in Alabama. I will go down there and mortgage my house and get it cash in 20 dollar bills and bring it to you in a little briefcase." Now he may need to head to the bank, as families who have done just that staged a press conference at the Alabama State House Wednesday.

“Rep. Holmes’ statements were very offensive. He implied transracial adoptions do not happen in Alabama, which is far from the truth,” notes a press release about the demonstration that was posted on the Facebook page for the group Faces of Families in Alabama. “It’s important to publicly counteract his statements with the truth. If not, it could cause children of transracial families to feel inferior, and cause some families considering transracial adoptions to change their minds.” After the press conference, the page was updated with the status, "So many families represented at the State House today because you shared your photos!"

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Beverly Owings, left of center, surrounded by her children and their families. Photo: Courtesy Beverly Owings


Holmes, a Democrat, real estate agent and father of one in Montgomery, was first elected as a state representative in 1974. He made his comments during the debate of a bill that would ban abortions as soon as a fetal heartbeat is detected. Holmes did not respond to a message seeking comment from Yahoo Shine.

“Anything he can do to cause controversies surrounding race are what he’s been known for doing for years,” Beverly Owings, an Alabama mother of four adopted children including a 13-year-old biracial daughter, tells Yahoo Shine. Owings joined Facebook friend April Hadden in getting Faces of Families of Alabama off the ground. “When my daughter heard [Holmes’s] comments, she said, ‘Mom, what about our family?’ And as a mom, I knew I had to step up,” Owings explains. 

Since it was launched on April 2, the page has been liked more than 4,000 times, and has inspired many families to post touching photos of their transracial families, along with comments including, “These are my kids!” and “Me and my son — he may be adopted on paper, but he is all mine in my heart.” One commenter, in response to news of Wednesday’s press conference, noted, “Get that cash ready, Mr. Holmes! Better yet, prepare a public apology.”

It’s been very encouraging to Owings. “I had no doubt the families were out there, but I have been in amazement,” she says. “I can’t believe the response.”

Another post came from Joy Mikell Portis, an mother of eight children, many of whom are adopted. “Meet our family. We see people, not skin color and there are many more families like ours here in Montgomery and all over the state of Alabama!” she wrote alongside a family portrait. Shortly thereafter, Portis, who blogs about her family here, told WSFA, “Families are created in all different ways, in all different colors and all different abilities. We love our children. I don't look at them and see my African-American child or my child with Downs Syndrome. We love them all the same.”


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Nobody should hold their breath waiting for an apology or mea culpa from Holmes.  Just like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, he makes his livelihood stirring up race-based controversy.  The worst thing in the world for people like Holmes would be total racial harmony.  It would put him and Jackson and Sharpton out of business.
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According to Holder, everyone who isn't President Obama or Eric Holder, but that has the audacity to ask them questions.
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What do you call an ex KKK leader who shoots Jews in Kansas??  
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If you are mainstream media you will probably figure out a way to call him a Tea Party member even though the KKK was made up of mainly democrats
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I call him an old, white, neo-Nazi, anti-Semite just as described in the CNN story I saw

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/us/kansas-jewish-center-shooting/

While they loaded him in the car he screamed 
"Heil Hitler".  

Hope that helps your curiosity jg

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JG don't know if you are truly interested in reading on this psycho-path or just stirring the pot but here is his hate filled website espousing his strong views towards Jews and Israel.  I am sure they will disable his website at some point.  He ran for office in 2010, 
US Representative for Congress, 7th district, Missouri

http://www.whty.org/

More here

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/GlennMiller.html

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Real - I'm not into pot stirring !!   Thank you for the information.  
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Real - All right !!  I have personally grappled with the term "racist" all my life.  My parents never spoke a bigoted word beyond "Wait till you grow up and one of them takes your job".  A beautiful tan girl had a crush on me in high school, but I was aware that white guys just didn't date "negroes" in 1948.  I was 15 years of age.  I see racism not as a complete opposite from caucasian, but rather a long process of gradation from the stupid hate mongers that you exposed in your links to my identifying a person of color first as a person of color and second as a human being. Some day perhaps, when the world is a better place, people will be people first and identified as some being darker skinned than others, others as taller or shorter.  In the 19th century women powdered their face white so that they wouldn't be mistaken for "darkies".  I DO THINK THAT WE ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT
OUR DESTINATION IS STILL NOT ACHIEVED.



















 








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WOW Frank.
You are kidding right?

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Rock - No, not kidding.  I have come to the conclusion that "Racist" is a term that encompasses all of us to a more or less degree. It is a socio-psychological matter of emphasizing differences, especially of skin color.   It is just another bias term used to begin an attitude toward people of color or lack thereof.  Some day I hope to approach all human beings as such, human beings,  and see on first glance my brothers and sisters under the skin as being lighter or darker of color in the same way that I would see them as taller or shorter, in other words emphasizing sameness instead of difference.  I would hope that they would perceive me in a similar vein.  Do you have a problem with that?     Frank
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You have a right to state your feelings and wishes. My right to question your logic and thought process.
I believe your thoughts may be "Admirable", but highly unlikely. This country is probably as divided as its ever been. I do not see your logic prevailing.
As far as having a problem with it as you state. Nice snappy come back.

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Joisey, in the Bible, race isn't mentioned, but, culture is a big deal......I can tell you that I don't accept the culture of anyone if it goes against Biblical teaching, no matter what.....We're not headed in the right direction, Joisey.....We must become biblical for that to happen....
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bluedog - Excellent point about the difference between race and culture.  
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Joisey, I don't believe a melting pot mentality, which America was founded on, can ever become an undivided society.....Some nationalities will adapt to an accepted culture and some will hang on to their own culture.....I believe this is the basis for racial bias.....

Biblically speaking, mankind was not intended to bunch up in cities and mix their different cultures......To live side-by-side with differing cultures is one thing....But, to mix the cultures is something else.....I associate with any, and all my sisters and brothers, who share my cultural beliefs....Those who don't, I live peacefully on the side of....This was the situation in the Palestine Territories and other parts of the Middle East for centuries.....But, that changed when the Zionists decided to seize land and force the Arabs out of their land and homes.....America backed the Zionists and the world has been in turmoil ever since....Joisey, is this racist, or, an ego that claims a certain culture should have domination over another?...Or, is it the same?

I'm interested to hear thoughts from others on this.....
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Bluedog - There are those who maintain that the greatest problems in mankind's history have ben created by religions and nationalism.  What do you think?  Each demands its "rightness" to the detriment and even shunning, too often hatred, of "non believers".
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Bluedog - There are those who maintain that the greatest problems in mankind's history have ben created by religions and nationalism.  What do you think?  Each demands its "rightness" to the detriment and even shunning, too often hatred, of "non believers".


Interesting point is that Christianity is not a religion. Its a way of life. A committment.
Ill expound if I may.
Religions say "Do" This and "Do" that. Christianity says Done.
Christianity says we are “made” worthy by Christ’s sacrifice for us. There is nothing we have to do, indeed there is nothing we “can” do but accept God’s amazing grace. If we’ll stop trying to change ourselves by willpower and phoniness, God’s Spirit will change us if we will trust Him. Christianity is literally a possession. A possession of The Holy Spirit, like Paul said “We’ll “find” ourselves doing the things that please God.” God is not interested in spiritual imitation which is what religion is…he is interested in spiritual fruition…

As far as Nationalism. It is merely words meant to try and define some semblance of insanity made my mere men trying to act like they are God. They have expectations of people bowing to they're will and demands.

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Rock - Does not Christianity believe in man's original sin that can only be expunged by the death of God's only son?  Hindus would find the concept humorous.  Eastern religions, on the other hand, believe in an innate goodness (Buddha Nature) possessed by all persons that exists at birth, and the purpose of a lifetime is for both individuals and societies to find the way (tao)  to magnify the already present good in mankind.  It's an interesting difference in perspective and the purpose of a lifetime.

As for your reason for nationalism, isn't mankind trading one form of insanity for another - given your definition?  Doesn't it suggest that power and not reason is the defining ethic of a nation state?  When will man pride himself on his intellect and not simply being the baddest guy in the valley?  Also, being the baddest guy in the valley by virtue of having the biggest club, does that imply a sense of stewardship for those with smaller muscles and smaller clubs?  

Christianity says "Done" in the sense of dogma, interpreted in various ways over the centuries.  The big argument intra Christianity, is between the Church's pathway to heaven and Jesus Christ's pathway to heaven. For example, Bluedog eschews religions but is a biblical believer.  I believe that essence returns to a greater essence from whence it came upon the death of the manifestation.  A Christian might suggest that the soul leaves the body and returns to heaven, purgatory, or hell fire punishment.  The key word is "believe" which leaves responsibility to a diety, both positive and negative.  That leaves little to the intellect of the human being. Cool, and basically comfortable !!  

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JG, the temple veil was rent from top to bottom. No need for High Priest to be a buffer between the masses, and God. It established a direct one on one relationship between God and mankind. No more ritual sacrifices, no Church, Synagogue, or Mosque hierarchy involved. Just a mutual relationship entered into freely, between one man, and one God, and acceptance of God's love, and God's will. It is open ended to all mankind regardless of religion, or birthright. No politics, no power, or money involved. Just an open offer. It is base, and ultimately by design simplistic in nature. When man's ability to control other men was removed, mankind was allowed to seek out God on their own, without organized religions preconditions, and orders, which demanded a person bow to a religious, political order, to seek out God, and establish a relationship. Pretty simple, no Church leaders giving edicts or political orders to mankind or governments. Just God, and mankind.
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Woody - If "God" equals "good", why is there a problem?  As you say, "Good" is simplistic. It is a matter of good human values and morals, people living in harmony with civil tongues and "good" manners.  
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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