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keepinitreal

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Pipe dream, there will never be mass deportation
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Build the wall
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Railing against children won't accomplish anything. It's not their fault. School lunch and breakfast programs are examples of government at it's best, most efficient. Very little possibility of graft and the results are undeniable. You must be a citizen to get a business license. Those construction companies that hire illegals are just as much to blame. Hard to get mad at someone that left a starving family to seek out a better life. It can't be easy to leave your family unit for a country that might lock you up and just send you back. They have little recourse. Quit hiring them. That is probably the easiest solution to the problem. High fines for violations, jail time for contractors that continually violate the law. 
No jobs, no incentive to leave. None of these immigrants are leaving just because they want to live near Americans. 





http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/national-business/article198347989.html


Some school districts in the St. Louis area are asking the community to help pay off student meal debt for families who can't afford daily lunches for their children.

More than 2,100 students in the Francis Howell School District collectively owe nearly $19,000 in their school lunch accounts. The district has asked community members to pitch in to a dedicated lunch debt fund, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported .


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Mike is right.  once the 2 million get citizenship, they will move on to those already here.  Dewyllie's amateur debating skills have already moved on to it.  

Legalization yes - citizenship no

I would be fine with creating a longer term legal worker status for these dreamers.   We could have them come back every 3 years, prove that they are employed, crime free, not excessive in debt as a part of renewals.

For those that meet merit guidelines we should push them through and take a slot from the incoming naturalization stream.  This is under the same wait times, etc. of the current immigration system. Some of these immigrants are highly skilled and would be immigrated through the normal process.  We should give them that chance as well. 

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obama did propose it, he created DACA aka the dreamers did he not.  When he created that EO, the writing was on the wall well before trump, come on man this isn't trump's baby, it was and is obama's.  Put a bill on the POTUS desk and he signs it or he doesn't.  quit the trump, trump, trump until he really phucks something up.  freshyturd does enough crying over trump for everyone.  DACA does not belong to trump, never has, never will.

Durden, let them move on to those already here, non-DACA.  Then trump will OWN that legislation going forward.  dewy wants 30 million legalized.  Legalize maybe, citizenship NEVER


Obama signed a thing to protect them from deportation, with an expiration.

trump wants to make them citizens.
keepinitreal

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What percentage of America agrees with Trump and I know it's not dewy's fictitious 87%?   mike I would agree with Udub's path as he outlined in #64 for the 800,000
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uwApoligist

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Trump is willing to trade dreamers for enhanced border security.   Dems balked.  They made it clear it is about the 30 Million.  Republicans should be out making it clear to Americans that Dems care more about the 30 Million Americans 

BTW another chance for a shutdown this week.  The last CR runs out later this week.  It seems zero progress has been made on border security and DACA agreement.  There was a framework for the discussion but Shumer pulled the plug on it, and is now demanding DACA with no security.  

I am betting another govt. shutdown.

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Democrats care about both Americans and those we allowed to settle in and raise families in the US.  We can care about two things at once.  We can care about those insured and those who are uninsured.  Those who are gay and those who aren't.  Children who are healthy and those who are not.  Suggesting it must be one or the other is a right-leaning comment.
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Democrats care about both Americans and those we allowed to settle in and raise families in the US.  We can care about two things at once.  We can care about those insured and those who are uninsured.  Those who are gay and those who aren't.  Children who are healthy and those who are not.  Suggesting it must be one or the other is a right-leaning comment.


Is that why Democrats sat during SOTU when it was announced that black unemployment is the lowest it's ever been?  Is that why Democrats booed Trump when he talked about two American girls being murdered by illegal immigrant MS-13 gang members?  Is that why Democrats sat when Trump said "we proudly stand for the National Anthem"?

You can talk all you want about Democrats caring about Americans but your actions clearly show that Democrats care much more about illegal aliens.

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Democrats care about both Americans and those we allowed to settle in and raise families in the US.  .....


See, the key element of being an ILLEGAL immigrant is that no one "allowed" anything.  They came in, hid, and stayed undetected for a long time. 

I guess if you break the law to come in, then hide long enough, the government can come along and reward that lawlessness with citizenship.


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.....mike I would agree with Udub's path as he outlined in #64 for the 800,000


Excellent.

I would submit that few would meet that criteria.  What happens to those who do not?

Also, trump proposed providing citizenship to 2 million illegals.  That goes beyond DACA, and onto the slippery slope, IMHO.


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Excellent.

I would submit that few would meet that criteria.  What happens to those who do not?

Also, trump proposed providing citizenship to 2 million illegals.  That goes beyond DACA, and onto the slippery slope, IMHO.



Trump knew the Dems were bluffing. 

Dreamers sounds great on TV.  Polling shows great support for Dreamers.   So Dems are always running about Dreamer this, Dreamer that.  To them that is code speak for all illegal immigrants.

Trump is in the process of taking Dreamers completely off the table.  At which point the Dems will find their only course of action is to talk about illegal immigrants.  Dems loose that conversation everytime.

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"See, the key element of being an ILLEGAL immigrant is that no one "allowed" anything.  They came in, hid, and stayed undetected for a long time." 

There was generally no hiding.  We knew who was working in our crop fields, construction industry, etc.  This nation looked the other way as the labor was needed for our growing economy.  Both Parties chose to ignore the situation, allowed them to enter our schools, and allowed their families to grow.  Nobody should act like this Country didn't know what was happening.  I understand some feel a need to suggest we were hoodwinked by these people but that simply isn't the case.

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
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Mostly dems and few chamber of commerce republicans ignored them.  

That has no skin off my back.  I did not allow any of this to happen.  So should not be demanded upon to pay for it.

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keepinitreal

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Excellent.

I would submit that few would meet that criteria.  What happens to those who do not?

Also, trump proposed providing citizenship to 2 million illegals.  That goes beyond DACA, and onto the slippery slope, IMHO.




I don't care about dewy's slippery slope. [dewy said people wouldn't want to marry their pets and then I showed a website where that is exactly what they do].  Cap the number at 800,000 for a pathway to citizenship, we've talked about the path, 10 years, clean record, working, resume' etc....  If the demasluts don't want to negotiate for the dreamers, take the offer off the table

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

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Dreamers are not the partisan issue. Even border security is not, just the stupid wall is. Chain immigration is. Lottery vs merit based immigration is. Don't hang DACA on the dems. Must be more flexible on both sides on these other issues.

BTW, no proof McCabe said the FISA was hinging on the dossier. Just lying Nunes.

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Shut up old fool, now you're going in circles like your puppetmaster does
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"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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This makes no sense at all to me, but I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

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...... Even border security is not, just the stupid wall is. .......
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Focus Fresh, we are here to help you through this self inflicted crises.
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There was generally no hiding.  We knew who was working in our crop fields, construction industry, etc.  ....


Sorry, I don't buy that.  I am not out checking for green cards.  I guess I figured that was some G-man's job.
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I'm not saying employers were searching out these folks.  Of course they weren't.  I'm saying the Country didn't force employers to search nor did we work hard to send agents out to find the illegals.  This Country was mostly looking the other way as these people were largely needed.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.


     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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Dreamers are not the partisan issue. Even border security is not, just the stupid wall is. Chain immigration is. Lottery vs merit based immigration is. Don't hang DACA on the dems. Must be more flexible on both sides on these other issues.

BTW, no proof McCabe said the FISA was hinging on the dossier. Just lying Nunes.

Wall is effective force multiplier for border agents.  You put a about 30 miles of fencing around key cities and you will greatly reduce crossings, and funnel those that are crossing into easily patrolled locations.

Dems have a bigger problem than the fence.  Explain the whole sanctuary city/sanctuary state debacle.  Dems have not intention of any notion of border security.  That is clear.

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I'm not saying employers were searching out these folks.  Of course they weren't.  I'm saying the Country didn't force employers to search nor did we work hard to send agents out to find the illegals.  This Country was mostly looking the other way as these people were largely needed.


BS you Socialist. These people were here because they worked cheaper than Americans, and they were absolutely sought out by business. After Reagan was out of office, the floodgates were opened, and the COC had a new cheap labor supply. Dems figured out that they could also be a source of new voters after the Reagan amnesty. So a steady stream of low skilled illegal aliens flooded our nation, and took the jobs of Americans then as they are now. The only difference is that Americans said no more and elected a President that promised to put a stop to illegal immigration. As a result we have Dems screaming racism because their dependent future voter base is threatened, and COC RINOS screaming because their cheap labor is threatened. You know who wins? American workers will win with more jobs available, and higher wages. We also get the benefit of fewer illegals in our jails, schools, ERs, and on our social service rolls that were intended for Americans. Nobody is buying your BS Dewey. Deport the illegals, and Americans benefit. Dems lose, and COC RINOs lose. America wins.

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Democrats care about both Americans and those we allowed to settle in and raise families in the US.  We can care about two things at once.  We can care about those insured and those who are uninsured.  Those who are gay and those who aren't.  Children who are healthy and those who are not.  Suggesting it must be one or the other is a right-leaning comment.


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