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pabar61

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You can't be serious. Most of these children are already suffering from neglectful or socially disadvantaged situations at home. It is a pittance to allow these kids a decent meal in a peaceful environment.


Is that your way of calling them sh1tholes?

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Is that your way of calling them sh1tholes?

Yes it is.  Dems pushed socialism on them.  Their nations failed.  Their people are living in sh1thole conditions.  Now dems are desperate to import those people here for votes so they sh1thole our country as well.  

It is a dumb plan dems.  Time to give it up.

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Is that your way of calling them sh1tholes?

Unfortunately, the schools that provide free meals for every student are in impoverished areas, as a whole. It is not the children's fault. There are a lot of irresponsible people in this country. I'm not sure what the ratio is in the immigrant population vs the native American, but poor is poor. I can't believe anybody would object to feeding hungry children. Very sad.

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Unfortunately, the schools that provide free meals for every student are in impoverished areas, as a whole. It is not the children's fault. There are a lot of irresponsible people in this country. I'm not sure what the ratio is in the immigrant population vs the native American, but poor is poor. I can't believe anybody would object to feeding hungry children. Very sad.




But why do dems relish in keeping the children of these communities locked into failing school systems? Give them the means to get out and get an education the will move them out of the grasp of poverty?

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I don't know if it's the school system as much as the parents' failure to understand the importance of an education. The uneducated can be embarrassed by their inability to help their children with subjects they don't understand themselves. You can send everybody to Oxford, but until the parents get involved, it isn't going to help. 
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I don't know if it's the school system as much as the parents' failure to understand the importance of an education. The uneducated can be embarrassed by their inability to help their children with subjects they don't understand themselves. You can send everybody to Oxford, but until the parents get involved, it isn't going to help. 


I agree that parents are mostly to blame but you can also point to the liberal policies of the last half century that have directly contributed to the social destruction of the family.  Then there is the powerful teachers' unions which keeps bad teachers in place - another gift from our wonderful liberal friends.

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I agree that parents are mostly to blame but you can also point to the liberal policies of the last half century that have directly contributed to the social destruction of the family.  Then there is the powerful teachers' unions which keeps bad teachers in place - another gift from our wonderful liberal friends.


Your opinion. The teachers union has it's up and down sides. All unions flex their muscles by covering for employees that don't perform as the employer mandates. 
Your assessment that it is a liberal phenomenom is just wrong. If either side is allowed to rule the day, there will be social problems. There must be balance and that is maybe the scariest part of the trump experiment. It has polarized us to the point we are becoming paralyzed. The two sides have to get together and figure out some common ground. We all want a better country, but disagree on the course we have to take. I submit the answer is somewhere in between the two sides. The middle comes from cooperation, not grandstanding and poor mouthing the other side. 

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Unfortunately, the schools that provide free meals for every student are in impoverished areas, as a whole. It is not the children's fault. There are a lot of irresponsible people in this country. I'm not sure what the ratio is in the immigrant population vs the native American, but poor is poor. I can't believe anybody would object to feeding hungry children. Very sad.

We can feed them where they are, for a lot less, and help them a lot more. 

It does not matter the ratio.  Illegals are consuming limited programs that are meant, bought and paid for, with the intention that those services would go to American citizens.  That is the governments promise to hard working taxpayers that are getting strapped with all these costs.

Federal government should look after American citizens fist and foremost.  Promoting illegal immigrants over American citizens is a plan that will be rejected by most of America (80%, Harvard poll).

Trump knows this.  He is going to abuse you guys, and Shumer in particular if you continue to pursue this strategy.


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If either side is allowed to rule the day, there will be social problems. There must be balance and that is maybe the scariest part of the trump experiment. It has polarized us to the point we are becoming paralyzed. The two sides have to get together and figure out some common ground. We all want a better country, but disagree on the course we have to take. I submit the answer is somewhere in between the two sides. The middle comes from cooperation, not grandstanding and poor mouthing the other side. 


This actually sums up Obama pretty well.  He took attacking people with differing political ideas to a whole new level.
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Dreamers for border security.  Very fair trade.   You guys initially said it was about dreamers and that if trump would consider doing something about dreamers you would be more than happy to do the wall. 

Trump says you can have dreamers.  Now you are running about the room screeching about how it is not fair.  

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Now you are running about the room screeching about how it is not fair.  


Why do you think is it necessary to use such extreme expressions to make your point? I seldom screech and quit running anywhere a few years ago. 

DACA is a common ground issue. Take the other 3 issues and debate them. You say the right wants to help the dreamers and the left doesn't care except to add to the dem voter rolls, why should the left give anything? That's not negotiating, that's just giving in. I don't think that's on the agenda. 

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 There must be balance and that is maybe the scariest part of the trump experiment. It has polarized us to the point we are becoming paralyzed. The two sides have to get together and figure out some common ground. We all want a better country, but disagree on the course we have to take. I submit the answer is somewhere in between the two sides. The middle comes from cooperation, not grandstanding and poor mouthing the other side. 


Highlighted = screeching
Highlighted = extreme expressions
Highlighted = hyperbole

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freshy says
"If either side is allowed to rule the day, there will be social problems."

shoe on other foot, dewy would call this 'sky is falling'

=extreme expressions

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Security is the common ground issue.  80% - Harvard poll.  
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It is actually my own secret hope that you guys stay on the illegals over Americans right through 2020, hell if you would stay there through 2040 that would be fantaboulus.  Trump gave Republicans the formula on this one, and we are taking it to the house. 
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It is actually my own secret hope that you guys stay on the illegals over Americans right through 2020, hell if you would stay there through 2040 that would be fantaboulus.  Trump gave Republicans the formula on this one, and we are taking it to the house. 


what, converting illegals to citizens?
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what, converting illegals to citizens?

Nope.  Dems prefer illegals over Americans.

I say we talk Shumer into shutting down the government over it again.  March 3rd is coming up super fast.

Only so much memo, FBI, IG nonsense they can spray into the air to try and cover the deal making.  Dems seem unaware they are on a timeline.

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Continuing resolution every four weeks until DACA individuals are given legal status.  Tell me why that won't be the case.  Eventually, GOP accepts some border wall money in exchange for DACA in order to end ongoing CR's.
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Dems are being underhanded in their dealing on this issue.   Trump should go to the media.  Point at what they are doing by not applying the on the book laws in their sanctuary cities and sanctuary states.  Make the case to hard working American taxpayers. 

Then let Shumer shut the government down.   

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what, converting illegals to citizens?


Have you ever written your congressman or senator on the matter?  Would you want to share your wishes on what to do with those already here?

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Perhaps make Everify the law of the land, and immediately incarcerate and then QUICKLY deport every illegal caught???
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"Dems prefer illegals over Americans."

That's definitely a misrepresentation of Democrats.


Everify will be the law of the land if and when the illegal immigrants here today are given legal status.  It was in the gang of eight bill and it will be in the immigration bill that ultimately passes.  It may be years but there will be one someday.

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Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
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"Dems prefer illegals over Americans."

That's definitely a misrepresentation of Democrats.


Everify will be the law of the land if and when the illegal immigrants here today are given legal status.  It was in the gang of eight bill and it will be in the immigration bill that ultimately passes.  It may be years but there will be one someday.


Actions speak louder than words and the actions of you Democrats clearly show you care more about illegals than Americans.

How else do you explain the obsession with dreamers and a unanimous "No" vote against letting Americans keep more of their own money?

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Poor Dewey. He is trying his suprebestest to support his party but he is to naive, or ignorant, to see the reality the leaders of his own party have an agenda that does not really fall into the compassionate, kind, liberal utopia he wishes to live in.
How did his dad fail so badly at raising a productive son.

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"Dems prefer illegals over Americans."

That's definitely a misrepresentation of Democrats.


Everify will be the law of the land if and when the illegal immigrants here today are given legal status.  It was in the gang of eight bill and it will be in the immigration bill that ultimately passes.  It may be years but there will be one someday.


mike, you better take the 2 million while you can and be happy with the compromise.  dewy wants 30 million legalized and I'll take my losses with the 2 million that bother you so much.  Called compromise and sometimes I think your hard line on immigration, absolutely no pathway to citizenship, is nothing but a pipe dream.  I hope dewy's plan is a pipe dream also.  Never, never a pathway to any but the Dreamers works for me

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How did his dad fail so badly at raising a productive son?

Drugs and booze?
Attic Isolation Derangement Syndrome?
CNN is a massive psyop brainwashing operation to convince people to be losers and continuously telling them that they are winning. 

I mean I have some ideas to throw at this thing, but not sure we have isolated down the answer.

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mike, you better take the 2 million while you can and be happy with the compromise.  dewy wants 30 million legalized and I'll take my losses with the 2 million that bother you so much.  Called compromise and sometimes I think your hard line on immigration, absolutely no pathway to citizenship, is nothing but a pipe dream.  I hope dewy's plan is a pipe dream also.  Never, never a pathway to any but the Dreamers works for me


perhaps.  However, had Obama proposed it, "conservatives" would be losing their bowels.  Especially the pundit types, but they will be all slobbery over it because trump said it.

therein lies the problem - party over country.

ps - the other 28 million aren't going anywhere.  once this 2 million becomes citizens, I'm sure the others will follow.

why citizens?  why not some sort of permanent alien worker thing?
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Mike is right.  once the 2 million get citizenship, they will move on to those already here.  Dewyllie's amateur debating skills have already moved on to it.  

Legalization yes - citizenship no
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perhaps.  However, had Obama proposed it, "conservatives" would be losing their bowels.  Especially the pundit types, but they will be all slobbery over it because trump said it.

therein lies the problem - party over country.

ps - the other 28 million aren't going anywhere.  once this 2 million becomes citizens, I'm sure the others will follow.

why citizens?  why not some sort of permanent alien worker thing?


obama did propose it, he created DACA aka the dreamers did he not.  When he created that EO, the writing was on the wall well before trump, come on man this isn't trump's baby, it was and is obama's.  Put a bill on the POTUS desk and he signs it or he doesn't.  quit the trump, trump, trump until he really phucks something up.  freshyturd does enough crying over trump for everyone.  DACA does not belong to trump, never has, never will.

Durden, let them move on to those already here, non-DACA.  Then trump will OWN that legislation going forward.  dewy wants 30 million legalized.  Legalize maybe, citizenship NEVER

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No, we move on to deporting them as quickly as possible. Get them out of OUR nation. The kids coming out of HS need those jobs.
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