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uwApoligist

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Caller: And I also would like to advise you when you or your colleagues will meet with Mr Trump I advise you to tell him first part of the password, 'The weather is good on Deribasivska,' and look at how his face will change color.
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We dream of being able to live our lives in fear of not being murder by El Salvadoran illegal street gangs
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Trump adopted the Dems latest rallying cry and destroyed them with it.

He also destroyed Obama’s idiotic “you didn’t build that” canard.

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yeah, they are, so let's give citizenship to all the illegals.  did you miss that part?  1.8 million of them.  Not permanent resident status, green cards - CITIZENSHIP.
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A pittance compared to the 11-14 million here.

Trumps offer puts the Democrats back to the wall. They made it about the Dreamers. He called their bluff. They’re screwed.
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yeah, they are, so let's give citizenship to all the illegals.  did you miss that part?  1.8 million of them.  Not permanent resident status, green cards - CITIZENSHIP.

In exchange for real border security. 

As a negotiating tactic to put Dems securely in a corner that proves they put illegal immigration and propping up their party ahead of working Americans.

As a reality of politics.  Given a number of republicans seem fit to support pols like McCAin, Graham, Flake, Ryan.  All guys you have sided with numerous times. With republicans like them on board,  it is just not going to happen the way you want.  You got a problem with that, take it up with them.

Look it is a 3 fer. 



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Caller: And I also would like to advise you when you or your colleagues will meet with Mr Trump I advise you to tell him first part of the password, 'The weather is good on Deribasivska,' and look at how his face will change color.
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Given a number of republicans seem fit to support pols like McCAin, Graham, Flake, Ryan.  All guys you have sided with numerous times. With republicans like them on board,  it is just not going to happen the way you want.  You got a problem with that, take it up with them.



You said that in another thread.

I remember saying McCain should not be derided by trump since he got captured, while trump tried to avoid VD due to bunions on his feet.

I remember having high hopes for Ryan as a Constitutionalist.

I don't remember "siding with" Graham or Flake, or even really McCain.
uwApoligist

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They ding Trump you get excited.  Only now you are not so excited.  Trump or now republicans are in the boat they are because of these guys.  Same boat they have been for years and years. 

Trump was only one brave enough to take on MSM, Dems and RINOs in the republican party on immigration.  Trump had not gotten this far, your 'deport them all' would be a raw laugh.



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Caller: And I also would like to advise you when you or your colleagues will meet with Mr Trump I advise you to tell him first part of the password, 'The weather is good on Deribasivska,' and look at how his face will change color.
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In exchange for real border security. 

As a negotiating tactic



spin, spin, spin.

he sold out.  all that bluster and bs in the campaign, and he moves to legalize 2 million illegals.

but, hey, political genius.
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Dogmatic FIB - Dreamers should go

Pragmatic FIB - That won’t happen so hold the intake to the 800,000 registered.

Realistic FIB - Dems won’t take Trumps overly generous offer because their real goal is 11-14 million, or even more

Nostradamus FIB - government shutdown, during which Trump will utterly outplay Schumer and Pelosi, who will eventually agree to something, and Dems will self-immolate their party ahead of mid-terms.

2018 FIB - GOP [wave]

Note: that’s not a good-bye emoji, it’s a wave :)
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DACA is one issue most lawmakers agree on. To insist it is a bargaining chip for the pubes to use to get the other"pillars", shows their insincerity. You can't, on one hand say they want it so bad they'll make a bad deal to get it and then complain they don't really care about dreamers. Get DACA out of the way, dems will gladly cooperate and then take on the other 3 items on trump's want list. Saying they don't care is just wrong. 
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DACA is one issue most lawmakers agree on. To insist it is a bargaining chip for the pubes to use to get the other"pillars", shows their insincerity. You can't, on one hand say they want it so bad they'll make a bad deal to get it and then complain they don't really care about dreamers. Get DACA out of the way, dems will gladly cooperate and then take on the other 3 items on trump's want list. Saying they don't care is just wrong. 


No. We’ve had this discussion long before you came along.

Obama always wanted to legalize thebillegals first, then later he’d discuss security.

Fortunately, Republicans didn’t trust him then, just as Trump won’t trust Schumer now.

There will be no stand-alone DACA deal. If Dems are serious about securing the border, now is the time. They won’t.
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There is actually more support for border security according the Harvard survey that there is for DACA.  It should go first, not be held hostage by myopic rat bastard dems. 

Everyone sees what the dems are doing with their sanctuary cities and sanctuary states.  We should resolve that before moving forward on fair negotiations on DACA.

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"Obama always wanted to legalize the illegals first, then later he’d discuss security."

This is inaccurate.  What border security was lacking in the gang of eight bill?  I understand $42 billion was set aside for security.  That bill solved all issues but enough on the Right were against the legalization of those here and the Speaker shelved the bill.

Almost everyone is for border security.  That's a given.  Not sure why the Right keeps repeating this obvious point.  That said, those favoring a "Trump" style wall across our border is probably small.  In any event, Democrats will need to give up something to get DACA.  I expect them to provide some money for the wall.  President can then save face and start on his wall.

I don't think any agreement will go beyond that.  It would be inhumane for Democrats to toss the other 12 million or so illegals to the side in order to legalize two million young DACA individuals (I don't think any Democrat is denying the fact they don't want to deport all the illegals here).  Giving in on all the other Trump immigration requests would put these people at a lifetime of deportation jeopardy.

We might get DACA and wall money if any agreement at all.  If not, CR's will be used as we push negotiations on DACA back a month at a time.  It's possible President Trump could move DACA expiration date back to October 1 in order to get Dems to support a full budget through September
.  The GOP's objection to CR's is some solid leverage the Democrats can continue to use in their favor.  

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Stop saying almost everybody is for border security when your party in CA are doing everything in their power to welcome illegals and then offer them safe haven when they get here.
I remember in the past you almost made sense on a few occasions. Now...not so much. Just lies and parsing words to try and slide the liberal agenda under the radar.

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California doesn't represent all dems. I've said I don't support direct violation of federal law. While I agree somewhat with the purpose, I would not directly violate a federal law, unless I, for some reason, start smoking weed. 
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If I remember correctly Jeb Bush, Rubio, and Graham all favor border security and legalizing the illegal immigrants here.  They were supporters of the gang of eight bill.  I think that means they all favor border security and my guess is the vast majority of the Left would join me in agreeing with their position.  We want border security and legal status for those here.  Favoring legal status does not mean favoring an open border.  I believe some other Republicans right here in this forum want the exact same thing.
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Legalization does not equal citizenship.
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A pittance compared to the 11-14 million here. Trumps offer puts the Democrats back to the wall. They made it about the Dreamers. He called their bluff. They’re screwed.


30 million or more in my opinion. You should see Houston and the surrounding small towns. Follow a school bus route and see who is setting there at the end of a dirt road to pick up 20-30 kids. They sure aren't legal residents or citizens. these are the wives of illegal aliens that steal jobs from Americans graduating high school, and looking for a job in the trade industries. It is infuriating. Almost all the illegals are on county and state health care. Their anchor babies take up space in our schools, and get preferential treatment over our kids. Just because they can't speak English, they are provided testing by our Special Ed departments, and the parents are given a government check to compensate for their kids disability (can't speak English) Enough already. This our nation, and those are our people's jobs, their schools, and their medical, and social services. Not everyone that walks into our country uninvited is somehow afforded the same rights as citizens. Democrats, please draw a distinct line in the sand, take the side of illegal aliens over your own citizens, and see how that works out for you in this years elections.

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Same stuff going on here in SoCal. Classes are taught half in Spanish half in English bringing everyone down to the LCD. School districts stopped making people apply for free lunch program since it was such a majority. They also get free breakfast and after school care along with medical.
It’s almost impossible to find any non Hispanics in any of the construction trades anymore.
Know a company that pays a subs wife cuz he is illegal.

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Same stuff going on here in SoCal. Classes are taught half in Spanish half in English bringing everyone down to the LCD. School districts stopped making people apply for free lunch program since it was such a majority. They also get free breakfast and after school care along with medical. It’s almost impossible to find any non Hispanics in any of the construction trades anymore. Know a company that pays a subs wife cuz he is illegal.


Railing against children won't accomplish anything. It's not their fault. School lunch and breakfast programs are examples of government at it's best, most efficient. Very little possibility of graft and the results are undeniable. You must be a citizen to get a business license. Those construction companies that hire illegals are just as much to blame. Hard to get mad at someone that left a starving family to seek out a better life. It can't be easy to leave your family unit for a country that might lock you up and just send you back. They have little recourse. Quit hiring them. That is probably the easiest solution to the problem. High fines for violations, jail time for contractors that continually violate the law. 
No jobs, no incentive to leave. None of these immigrants are leaving just because they want to live near Americans. 

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You must be a citizen to get a business license.


My primary business license had no citizenship box to check. Information requested was minimal.

Would you please cite references or retract.

Thank you.

 


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In Georgia, I sign an affidavit that I'm a US citizen and that all my employees are US citizens. If I don't, since we are all citizens, not sure of the consequences, but there are additional measures. 
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“Railing against children won't accomplish anything. It's not their fault‘
It’s not my fault either but it’s my pocket book. Why should I pay taxes to schools and then pay tuition at a private school so my kid can get a good education.

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I didn't hire them either.  Yet my pocketbook takes the hit.
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I don't mind buying meals for hungry children.
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Ship those meals to where they live.  It is better for everyone.  Plus then the chilrens are not sitting there living illegally in a country that is likely going to deport them as that is the law.
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Sanctuary cities and states tell us all we need to know about how libs are going to approach immigration law.
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Ship those meals to where they live.  It is better for everyone.  Plus then the chilrens are not sitting there living illegally in a country that is likely going to deport them as that is the law.

You can't be serious. Most of these children are already suffering from neglectful or socially disadvantaged situations at home. It is a pittance to allow these kids a decent meal in a peaceful environment.

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Yep serious.  Working with their country to create a safe environment and for them to get a meal is going to help millions for a fraction of the cost of bringing them here. 

8 billion people.  Even if you bring 30 million a year to the US, you are pissing in an ocean.  That 30 million would not even come close to the growth in that 8 billion.

You really want to do these countries a huge favor?  Export capitalism to them.   Everywhere it goes.  Capital flows.  Business grow.  Jobs happen.  People are able to feed their kids.  Call me idealistic, but it works.

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