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EarlyGrayce

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lol yea overselling is SOP. But for a story like this Ford plant, trump wins. Again.
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And I owed you this on TPP. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/president-obama-the-tpp-would-let-america-not-china-lead-the-way-on-global-trade/2016/05/02/680540e4-0fd0-11e6-93ae-50921721165d_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5e2de4e5bc29
I agree it does not directly state that Obama wants to add China to the TPP.  But the way Obama is making his case comes off as that the only possible option is to do trade deals with China. 
BS. BO doesn't come close to suggesting that about China. SMH 

and here is Trump's position on China and Trade.
http://archive.is/MFTwq

Currency manipulation needs to be addressed along with most everything else that puts US mfg at a disadvantage. New trade deals need to be made to level the playing field. We can't afford to continue deals from when we were bolstering other countries nor continue unregulated relationships with countries taking advantage of us.
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PDad I think UWa is aware of the nuances of those stories. He likes to roll stuff like that out as completely factual so he can chum dewey. Don't be nibbling at the dewey bait. Don't you remember UWa's classic thread where he had hillary abandoning her candidacy cuz she cancelled a couple of events? Genius. Except I think mike got chummed on that one.......

Clearly in hindsight that campaign had collapsed at that point.  I like when I dropped the cancelling of fireworks on that thread.  I crack myself up with those posts.

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PDad said.........
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Easy there...

Ford decided to keep that plant open in 2015 and sealed it with a major investment in it. The good news is they've decided to keep a product there that was moving to Mexico.


PDad, it's clear you're an apologist for the anti-Trump crowd.........

The truth is, without Trump's involvement, America would have lost those jobs and, now, we keep 'em........It's a fact.......

There's no "easy there" about it!
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The truth is, without Trump's involvement, America would have lost those jobs and, now, we keep 'em........It's a fact.......

You obviously didn't read* the quote that no jobs were going to be lost there. The real facts are Ford was shifting Lincoln production so it could make more Escapes there. Net effect of keeping Lincoln production there is unknown since we don't know where Ford will increase production of Escapes.

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Bull!
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You obviously didn't read* the quote that no jobs were going to be lost there. The real facts are Ford was shifting Lincoln production so it could make more Escapes there. Net effect of keeping Lincoln production there is unknown since we don't know where Ford will increase production of Escapes.

Added: and/or comprehend

Sounds to me, I am just reading your statement, that there is a good chance for additional American jobs.  You can pooh pooh away all you want, that that is a good thing.


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Sounds to me, I am just reading your statement, that there is a good chance for additional American jobs.  You can pooh pooh away all you want, that that is a good thing.

Trump's tweet went beyond jobs to implying he saved the plant. The truth is the KY plant and it's jobs weren't going to be affected. I hope Ford increases jobs in the US by keeping Escape production in the US, however the net effect will be zero if they increase it in Mexico.

I called BS on your post and you call it "pooh pooh" (Winnie?). #salty
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PDad said.......
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...........the net effect will be zero if they increase it in Mexico.


PDad, here's where you're full of BS........

Jobs staying instead of leaving is a gain..........But then, anyone with common sense knows that.......

You still mad Hillary lost?

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In the meeting with Chairman Lew Eisenberg, President-elect Trump and Vice President-elect Pence discussed plans for America First initiatives, bringing Made in America manufacturing to the forefront and improving infrastructure. 





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Pdad's as good of a parser as dewy is guys, give up. You're headed to a rabbit hole
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Chumslinger!
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He heh
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

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Trump's tweet went beyond jobs to implying he saved the plant. The truth is the KY plant and it's jobs weren't going to be affected. I hope Ford increases jobs in the US by keeping Escape production in the US, however the net effect will be zero if they increase it in Mexico.

I called BS on your post and you call it "pooh pooh" (Winnie?). #salty


He saw the full intent of his heart in that tweet. Hopefully the big picture is where we are looking. Read something where it took 8 weeks before obama met with first foreign leader, in 8 days trump has spoke with 26 leaders. Everyone seems to be paying attention while dewy is looking for young journalists to chase his squirrel. Watergate type of theft, haha

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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He saw the full intent of his heart in that tweet. Hopefully the big picture is where we are looking. Read something where it took 8 weeks before obama met with first foreign leader, in 8 days trump has spoke with 26 leaders. Everyone seems to be paying attention while dewy is looking for young journalists to chase his squirrel. Watergate type of theft, haha


Exactly right. 8 days and 26 Leaders. And way ahead of the obama curve on creating his administration. This is what it looks like when you know how to run a large organization, have vision, have self confidence, aren't beholden to any deep pockets, and intend to MAGA. And lol on deweys nubile journalist who is uncovering the new watergate. As you said on another thread, we can only hope the dems run hillary/michelle/fauxcahontas next cycle. That's money in the gop bank.

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I don't think a propagandist can win again in 2020.  Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, not going to happen.  This time around Trump convinced voters they could ignore a Watergate style break-in or interference by supposed FBI insiders and/or fake news organizations.  The US is a corrupt Country, our elections are rigged, and foreigners are now residing in the White House.  Clearly certain actions were not objectionable this time around as this election had to be won.  Voters took this theme hook, line, and sinker.  The propagandist was believed and anything to get him into office was deemed acceptable.  It was sad to watch from where I sit but, in the end, I think this great Country will ultimately figure out what just happened to them and will never buy into such a campaign again.  Let's hope the price we pay isn't too great.
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Trump had personal information leaked - hopefully the democrats will be above this form of campaigning in the future
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I don't believe Democrats stole anything from Donald Trump but if it turns out they did, I'd criticize it equally.

Edit:  As of today, I don't believe anyone stole information from Donald Trump.  I think he got burned by a friend or associate.  If somebody received an email from Clinton and released it to the press, I wouldn't call that a break-in.
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Always amusing when dewey makes predictions. Maybe he can predict what steelman wants to talk to him about.
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I don't think a propagandist can win again in 2020.  Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, not going to happen.  This time around Trump convinced voters they could ignore a Watergate style break-in or interference by supposed FBI insiders and/or fake news organizations.  The US is a corrupt Country, our elections are rigged, and foreigners are now residing in the White House.  Clearly certain actions were not objectionable this time around as this election had to be won.  Voters took this theme hook, line, and sinker.  The propagandist was believed and anything to get him into office was deemed acceptable.  It was sad to watch from where I sit but, in the end, I think this great Country will ultimately figure out what just happened to them and will never buy into such a campaign again.  You said that this election after you bad mouthed Bush here for the last 8 years  Let's hope the price we pay isn't too great.


Yeah, well you were wrong on some stoopid blue wall theory you had too so don't mind us if we don't trust your judgement for 2020.  The 2016 vote was a clear rebuke of libtards and their policies.  Step out of the way while the swamp is drained.  The propagandist spoke to the American worker, something the party of free stuff didn't.  Maybe you'll adjust your thinking when your ass whoopin' ain't so fresh in your mind.  I bet you never got ass whoopins growing up did you dewdy?  You libtards just got an ass whoopin and you've got your plans in effect to get one again in 2020.  Keep going full out libtard

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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I don't think a propagandist can win again in 2020.  Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, not going to happen.  This time around Trump convinced voters they could ignore a Watergate style break-in or interference by supposed FBI insiders and/or fake news organizations.  The US is a corrupt Country, our elections are rigged, and foreigners are now residing in the White House.  Clearly certain actions were not objectionable this time around as this election had to be won.  Voters took this theme hook, line, and sinker.  The propagandist was believed and anything to get him into office was deemed acceptable.  It was sad to watch from where I sit but, in the end, I think this great Country will ultimately figure out what just happened to them and will never buy into such a campaign again.  Let's hope the price we pay isn't too great.

American elections used to be rigged by dopey MSM gotcha tricks.  America is on to that and stepped up for their rights this time.

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Trump's tweet went beyond jobs to implying he saved the plant. The truth is the KY plant and it's jobs weren't going to be affected. I hope Ford increases jobs in the US by keeping Escape production in the US, however the net effect will be zero if they increase it in Mexico.

I called BS on your post and you call it "pooh pooh" (Winnie?). #salty

1/2 of it's jobs were scheduled to move to mexico.  Now they are not.

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1/2 of it's jobs were scheduled to move to mexico.  Now they are not.

Management and the local union have both said it wouldn't have resulted in any losses there. That plant also produces Escapes and the plan was to free up capacity to increase Escape production. Escapes outsell the MKC 12-1, so the "1/2 of it's (sic) jobs" claim is poor speculation.

"In 2015, it told workers at the plant that it planned to phase out MKC production by 2019 and move it elsewhere."

"Ford said last month it would suspend production of the Escape and MKC at its Louisville Assembly Plant in Kentucky for two weeks because of low demand."

Here are my sources. What are you going by?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-ford-motor-idUSKBN13D08J

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-18/trump-says-ford-called-to-say-keeping-lincoln-plant-in-kentucky
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I don't think a propagandist can win again in 2020.  Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, not going to happen.  This time around Trump convinced voters they could ignore a Watergate style break-in or interference by supposed FBI insiders and/or fake news organizations.  The US is a corrupt Country, our elections are rigged, and foreigners are now residing in the White House.  Clearly certain actions were not objectionable this time around as this election had to be won.  Voters took this theme hook, line, and sinker.  The propagandist was believed and anything to get him into office was deemed acceptable.  It was sad to watch from where I sit but, in the end, I think this great Country will ultimately figure out what just happened to them and will never buy into such a campaign again.  Let's hope the price we pay isn't too great.


This is laughable considering that YOU fell for the Obama propaganda TWICE. Shall we list all the propaganda that won for Obama? The most transparent president ever? Reducing the debt? The sea levels dropping? All bill negotiations on C-Span? The world would love us again? blah blah blah

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STOCKS SMASH RECORD HIGHS...



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STOCKS SMASH RECORD HIGHS...


Funny thing is that although the stock market is reacting to Trump being elected, Obama and the democRATS will use this in the next election saying that stocks smashed records under Obama watch!

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I'll say this:  I think the economy will start to change, even if trump does nothing.  With what Obama has done, it won't take much.

Add in reversing energy production restraints, and a few environmental type things, and it starts to move.

trump will take credit for all of it.  In some ways, he won, so he's entitled to.

This Ford plant thing is an example.  It was not going to close - that has been proven.  No jobs were moving to Mexico.  However, that will not stop folks from crowing about it.

It's just the way it will be for the next several years.


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Management and the local union have both said it wouldn't have resulted in any losses there. That plant also produces Escapes and the plan was to free up capacity to increase Escape production. Escapes outsell the MKC 12-1, so the "1/2 of it's (sic) jobs" claim is poor speculation.

"In 2015, it told workers at the plant that it planned to phase out MKC production by 2019 and move it elsewhere."

"Ford said last month it would suspend production of the Escape and MKC at its Louisville Assembly Plant in Kentucky for two weeks because of low demand."

Here are my sources. What are you going by?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-ford-motor-idUSKBN13D08J

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-18/trump-says-ford-called-to-say-keeping-lincoln-plant-in-kentucky
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I'll say this:  I think the economy will start to change, even if trump does nothing.  With what Obama has done, it won't take much.

Add in reversing energy production restraints, and a few environmental type things, and it starts to move.

trump will take credit for all of it.  In some ways, he won, so he's entitled to.

This Ford plant thing is an example.  It was not going to close - that has been proven.  No jobs were moving to Mexico.  However, that will not stop folks from crowing about it.

It's just the way it will be for the next several years.



It is clear.  MKC production was headed to Mexico.  That production will now remain in USA.  The expansion of Escape production will also now be in the USA.  Net win for jobs.

As you point out, it is the American people that in the end will make this country great.  I think that has been Trumps point all along.  Remove some oppressive tax structures, some overreaching environmental regulations, build the pipeline and this economy will grow just because the shackles have been taken off. 

It does not matter where the credit goes.  What matters is that it is happening.

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It is clear.  MKC production was headed to Mexico.  That production will now remain in USA.  The expansion of Escape production will also now be in the USA.  Net win for jobs.

As you point out, it is the American people that in the end will make this country great.  I think that has been Trumps point all along.  Remove some oppressive tax structures, some overreaching environmental regulations, build the pipeline and this economy will grow just because the shackles have been taken off. 

It does not matter where the credit goes.  What matters is that it is happening.


I would agree with mike that it isn't taking much to get some positive momentum in this economy, but the credit goes solely to trump. A little residual butthurt from some nevertrumpers means nothing. Stock market getting ready to clear 19,000. Trump's broadcast yesterday hit the heart of this country and jump started it. This morning trump plays the NYT and tells them to go away. They react sadly. Trump owns them now. Trump exudes confidence and leadership, something that ALL of the pols in this country have been sorely lacking. It's go time. 

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Let's see if he can deliver with Carrier in Indiana.

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/carrier-workers-vow-to-hold-trump-to-promise-of-saving-factory-jobs/

Carrier isn’t changing its plans. In a written statement three days after the election, the company said, “We are making every effort to ease the transition for our Carrier colleagues in Indiana.” The company pointed out that it will finance four-year retraining and educational programs for employees and provide financial help.

Now his supporters expect action. “If he doesn’t pass that tariff, I will vote the other way next time,” warned Nicole Hargrove, who has worked at Carrier for a decade and a half and is not certain what she will do if and when her job goes to Mexico.
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Agreed this will be interesting. After Carrier announces that they have decided to stay in America, nevertrumpers will announce that it really wasn't trump who made that happen.
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