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mikec

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I love her, follow her instgram. She's a great woman, smart, sexy

 

Except that when she opens her mouth and makes policy, it costs us billions of dollars to fund her liberal ideals.

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The answer for that is involuntary sterilization
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MKC work was moving to Mexico, correct?  Now it is not, correct?
Sheesh... The MKC work was moving so they could expand Escape production there - no jobs were going to be lost in KY due to it. Low demand killed the need to increase production of the Escape and in turn to move MKC production.

I fully acknowledge Ford has built a lot of plant capacity in Mexico.  I think it especially makes sense for them to move a lot of their small car growth to Mexico.  It is hard to make those cars with US labor rates. (ok) Keeping MKC, and Escape production in US is the best way to retain, or grow, American jobs. ([rolleyes] Leveling the playing field for US mfg and increasing demand for less price-sensitive products are the best ways to retain/grow US jobs.)

Ultimately it does not matter.  Trump is not even elected (?? What are the chances the Electoral College won't elect him?) and he has made it clear he is going to fight, tooth and nail,  for every job. (yep)  If he does nothing but that his entire term, no one will have a valid complaint. ... 

That's setting the bar awfully low..
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But what, exactly, can the POTUS do to "cut them a pretty good deal"?

Isn't it Congress that enacts tariffs?  Isn't it local and state government that provides tax breaks and incentives to attract and/or retain industry?

Maybe the POTUS can help broker a deal between and industry and a state, but I don't think the POTUS can actually do much of anything unilaterally.

Hmm, I think Trump has an "in" with Indiana's governor...
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That's setting the bar awfully low..

You read the New York Times way to faithfully.   They are hung up on the same thing.  Exactly what got them off track with the rest of America.

So let's try it this way.  Ford had planned on shifting production of MKC to Mexico, correct?

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You read the New York Times way to faithfully. (nope)  They are hung up on the same thing.  Exactly what got them off track with the rest of America. (??)

So let's try it this way.  Ford had planned on shifting production of MKC to Mexico, correct? (smh see my previous response)


Are all Trumpies setting the bar for Trump as low as you?

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Are all Trumpies setting the bar for Trump as low as you?

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So MKC product was to move to Mexico.  Jobs in Mexico would have been created to fill that MKC production efforts.  Now MKC is staying in USA.  Ford will have to find where they will build out Escape, or MKC production.  

With this move, there is an increased probability that Escape or MKC production will end up in the USA. 

With additional likelihood that Mexico remains the low end (cheaper) vehicles, where cost is paramount, and higher end Escape/MKC suv production stays in USA. 

Here one of my favorite moments from the campaign.  It is a picture of a nevertrumper setting the bar, and getting it wrong at the same time.

[Beck-bowl-Cheetos] 


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So MKC product was to move to Mexico.  Jobs in Mexico would have been created to fill that MKC production efforts. (with no job losses in US) Now MKC is staying in USA. (at least for now)  Ford will have to find where they will build out Escape, or MKC production. (if needed)

With this move, there is an increased probability that Escape or MKC production will end up in the USA. (Pretty safe bet one or the other will stay in the US. There you go again setting the bar low. LMFAO)

With additional likelihood that Mexico remains the low end (cheaper) vehicles, where cost is paramount, and higher end Escape/MKC suv production stays in USA.

May/probably would have ended up that way anyway if MKC moved. Ford planned to shift MKC production to an underutilized facility to increase production of Escapes and would have shifted MKC again to respond to lower demand for Escape/MKC and/or higher demand for lower-end vehicles.

Bottom line that you fail to recognize/admit is Ford will most likely increase production in Mexico and it doesn't matter whether it is MKC, small cars or something else.
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Good lord. UWa please do me a favor and let nevertrump have the last word on the fordexico nonsense? You two have scrogged this thread.
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LOL.....

PDad, is a piece of work, that's for sure.........[rofl]
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Good lord. UWa please do me a favor and let nevertrump have the last word on the fordexico nonsense? You two have scrogged this thread.

I could in a second let nevertrump have the last word.  But honestly, I feel their dopiness was key to getting Trump elected in the first place.  Their own whacky self appointed smugness; the cheetos jesus, after Beck ran his face in a plate of cheetos; the he is not conservative enough; the his plans are democrat.  

Somehow that perfectly aligned with Democrats own smugness.  Their own self importance.  The democrats wanted to yell into the CNN echo chamber super loudly.  They were desperate to hear anything back.  And what they got was 'cheetos jesus's', 'not conservative enough'.  

In other words nevertrumpism has led to this, the penultimate in salt flow.  As smugness fell away to shock, then to awe.  It now seems to have landed, or has become stuck, in the ultimate state of denial.  It has led to salt flow so large, so fun, you just could never have expected it, not to this scope/depth/width.

And now the denial that Trump is actually focused on jobs.  It seems to feed the "#notmypresident".  It helps keep the left stuck in that ultimate state of denial.  That Ford did not say "Pres-elect’s econ policy will help boost US competitiveness, keep MKC" somehow aligns with Hillary won the popular vote. 

Yeah, I doubt I could stop the nevertrumpers.  Actually never really cared to.  That it has proven to create the confusion in the democrats that it does, that is truly revolutionary and new this cycle. 
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Keep on scrogging uwa, we haven't had a 'break through' since dewy left. You will break through, I assure you PDad will not give up like dewy. Dewy has no game
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#SCROGGING
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And now the denial that Trump is actually focused on jobs.  It seems to feed the "#notmypresident".  It helps keep the left stuck in that ultimate state of denial.  That Ford did not say "Pres-elect’s econ policy will help boost US competitiveness, keep MKC" somehow aligns with Hillary won the popular vote.

I go by Ford's complete statement instead of the one shortened to fit in a 140 character tweet. smh

You've taken to labeling me a nevertrumper just because I push back on your exaggerations. I also pushed back on Dewey's partisan attacks on Trump, but you weren't around for most of that. Alienating people that generally support Trump is an asinine approach.
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Using 'smh' is odd. And deweyish. Does someone really 'shake their head' when they write that, or are they just being clever by insinuating that they are experiencing complete and utter disbelief? Or is it just giving a nod to a slight nod of the head? I don't get it.  But I do love me some Corgi.
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Dewey picked up 'smh' from me using it on him. I prefer it to an emoticon. They are meant to be taken seriously, regardless of whether they are literal or figurative.
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Dewey picked up 'smh' from me using it on him. I prefer it to an emoticon. They are meant to be taken seriously, regardless of whether they are literal or figurative.


Fhoenix was the first heavy user of smh in this forum. Dewy is not a trendsetter, he is a follower. I agree with Early, I always thought it was kind of a gay term that smh stuff

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Fhoenix was the first heavy user of smh in this forum. Dewy is not a trendsetter, he is a follower. I agree with Early, I always thought it was kind of a gay term that smh stuff


Agreed. I was actually thinking it was gay as well, but was scared to say it. My white guilt knows no bounds. I gotta get a handle on that, and start calling a spade a spade.

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It is what it is.

What it is is what it is

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It is what it is. What it is is what it is


Philosphy 101. Workin in the strangest ways....


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Fhoenix was the first heavy user of smh in this forum. Dewy is not a trendsetter, he is a follower. I agree with Early, I always thought it was kind of a gay term that smh stuff

You're correct - of course - about Fhoenix. I take back my claim about Dewey picking it up from me since he increased using it in March 2015, before I used it on here.

I suspect you call lots of things you don't like gay (e.g. Tony Homo), so I don't take it seriously. Perhaps you can establish credibility by convincing us you're an expert on all things gay...
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You're correct - of course - about Fhoenix. I take back my claim about Dewey picking it up from me since he increased using it in March 2015, before I used it on here.

I suspect you call lots of things you don't like gay (e.g. Tony Homo), so I don't take it seriously. Perhaps you can establish credibility by convincing us you're an expert on all things gay...

haha, Kidding again right?  I will certify smh is gay.  I will also certify EG as being able to identify gay.
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Fhoenix was the first heavy user of smh in this forum. Dewy is not a trendsetter, he is a follower. I agree with Early, I always thought it was kind of a gay term that smh stuff


smh [tounge2]
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Agreed. I was actually thinking it was gay as well, but was scared to say it. My white guilt knows no bounds. I gotta get a handle on that, and start calling a spade a spade.


smh [tounge2]
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back to the topic at hand.  

The MKC represents 9% of the production at Ford's Louisville operation, 

"The MKC represented about 9 percent of the 421,079 vehicles built at Louisville Assembly last year. Ford built 37,376 Lincoln crossovers in 2015, while it built 383,703 Escapes."

That plant currently employs 4,554.  If you only attribute the 9% number to MKC, which is a roughly decent way to look at it.  You have MKC production being responsible for about 410 jobs.  So that was approximately 410 jobs that were to move to Mexico for MKC production.  

They are now, no longer moving to Mexico.  Win.


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Can we talk about the time when a candidate said that millions of illegal votes were cast in an election he won?

#stoptweeting
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haha, Kidding again right?  I will certify smh is gay.  I will also certify EG as being able to identify gay.

I always suspected you're certifiable.
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On another note, I had no idea they built almost 400,000 Escapes per year.  That's seems impressive.  My parents have one, so I just assumed that they were old timers.

I rented an MKC one time.  It was a nice car to drive for a week.  When I looked up the price, however, I was floored.


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back to the topic at hand.  

The MKC represents 9% of the production at Ford's Louisville operation, 

"The MKC represented about 9 percent of the 421,079 vehicles built at Louisville Assembly last year. Ford built 37,376 Lincoln crossovers in 2015, while it built 383,703 Escapes."

That plant currently employs 4,554.  If you only attribute the 9% number to MKC, which is a roughly decent way to look at it.  You have MKC production being responsible for about 410 jobs.  So that was approximately 410 jobs that were to move to Mexico for MKC production.  

They are now, no longer moving to Mexico.  Win.


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Can we talk about the time when a candidate said that millions of illegal votes were cast in an election he won?

#stoptweeting

Millions might be a high number.  But certainly in states where there are no voter id laws there is statistical relevance that shows voter fraud.  There is also incidental evidence, such as the gentleman in California that was arrested when he was found the have 13 registrations in his mail box.  

Just because you won, does not mean that voter id laws are no longer important.  Especially to the republican ticket.  It helps maintain the overall integrity of the election. 

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"The MKC represented about 9 percent of the 421,079 vehicles built at Louisville Assembly last year. Ford built 37,376 Lincoln crossovers in 2015, while it built 383,703 Escapes."
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They are now, no longer moving to Mexico.  Win.

I found the quote at https://www.autonews.com/article/20161117224252/OEM01/161119840?template=print. Here are a couple more excerpts from it:

Ford spokeswoman Christin Baker said the Cuautitlan plant had been the "likely" new plant for the MKC when the automaker's deal with the UAW expires in 2019.

Ford never had plans to close the plant, as Trump suggested.

In its 2015 agreement with the UAW, Ford committed $700 million in investments there over the next four years, although the deal said the current MKC “will balance out to allow capacity for Escape.”

To recap, Ford planned to move MKC production to another plant, "likely" Mexico, to make room for producing more Escapes in KY. IOW, it was never a done deal that MKC was moving to Mexico.
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