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jayrot

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I didn't follow Bama softball until 2006, so I never saw many players at Bama (and Kretschman only as a Pro and Olympian), but here goes:

Brittany Rogers (OF)
Haylie McCleney (OF)
Kelly Kretschman (OF)
Jackie Traina (P/DP)
Charlotte Morgan (1B/P)
Kaila Hunt (SS)
Ashley Holcombe (C)
Kelley Montalvo (3B)
Kayla Braud (2B)

It was difficult leaving off Stephanie vanBrakle, Cassie Reilly-Bochia, Jennifer Fenton, Whitney Larsen, Lauren Parker and others.



Listing Braud at 2B made me laugh. Love it.
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I think my position-restricted lineup might be something like

Braud  OF
McCleney  OF
Kretschman  OF
Morgan  1B
Hunt  2B
Montalvo  3B
Larsen  SS
Prejean  C
Rogers  DP

Close call for me between Rogers and Fenton for the DP spot.  I give Rogers the nod just because she was an elite player for 4 years, but Fenton might be more valuable in today's game.  If I wanted to get them both in, I could move Kretschman to SS for Larsen, but would rather have another run producer in there.

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I think my position-restricted lineup might be something like

Braud  OF
McCleney  OF
Kretschman  OF
Morgan  1B
Hunt  2B
Montalvo  3B
Larsen  SS
Prejean  C
Rogers  DP

Close call for me between Rogers and Fenton for the DP spot.  I give Rogers the nod just because she was an elite player for 4 years, but Fenton might be more valuable in today's game.  If I wanted to get them both in, I could move Kretschman to SS for Larsen, but would rather have another run producer in there.



Mine would be very similar. I'd take Courtney over Prejean as much as it guts me to say that. Larsen easily at SS. I want Jones in that lineup so bad bc that's the foundation of my fandom. Also if I was just looking at defense and not offense, I might even take Dawson or Holcombe for catcher.

The toughest would be pick two pitchers.
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no McClain in there, jay?
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no McClain in there, jay?


Stop it. Now you're adding to my misery. I can't choose. Too many players.
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a good problem to have!!! #traditionnevergraduates
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McCleney - OF
Kretschman - OF
Braud  - OF
Holcombe - C
Morgan - 1B
Hunt - 2B
Larsen - SS
Montalvo - 3B
Grantham - DP heehee just kidding. I will go with Fenton.

Jackie Traina - P  I know the question was offense, but

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Until Brown there has been no Alabama starter that has not driven in double digit RBI, or failed to get an extra base hit. On our typical teams of the past she would be a pinch-runner/situational player.

All Time Hitters:
C: Courtney
1B: Morgan
2B: Hunt
SS: Larsen
3B: Montalvo
OF: Braud
OF: McKlenny
OF: Kretschman
P: Traina

All Time Team (inc, Defense, Balance and team Chemistry)
C: Holcombe
1B: Riley-Bochia
2B: Olcott
SS: Larsen
3B: Montalvo
LF: Braud
CF: McKlenny
RF: Lunceford
RP: Dunne
LP: Morgan
Relief: Owens

All-Time 20 girl squad:
Pitchers: Dunne, Owens, Potter, Morgan 1B/DH, Traina DH.
Catchers: Holcombe, Courtney(RF), Prejean.
Infield: Mclain(!B/RF), Olcott, Hunt, Larsen(LF), Montalvo, Parker. Riley-Bochia.
Outfield: Braud, Kretschman, Lunceford, McKlenny. Rogers





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Until Brown there has been no Alabama starter that has not driven in double digit RBI, or failed to get an extra base hit.


In 1997, Kristi Black started 54 games and had 7 RBIs.  Brittney Ezell started 32 games and had 8 RBIs.  In 1998, Kiersten Arntsen started 35 games and had 6 RBIs.  In 1999, Arntsen started 30 games and had 2 RBIs.  Black started 47 games and had 6 RBIs.  In 2000, Kim Rohret started 36 games and had 8 RBIs.  Paula White started 31 games and had 6 RBIs.  Lise DeBruin started 32 games and had 1 RBI and no extra-base hits.  In 2003, Angela Johnson started 45 games and had 9 RBIs.  In 2004, Leah White started 43 games and had 8 RBIs.  In 2006, Katie Johnson started 42 games and had 6 RBIs.
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How do Alabama softball fans feel about next season?
Are you optimistic about the years growth of the team?
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In 1997, Kristi Black started 54 games and had 7 RBIs.  Brittney Ezell started 32 games and had 8 RBIs.  In 1998, Kiersten Arntsen started 35 games and had 6 RBIs.  In 1999, Arntsen started 30 games and had 2 RBIs.  Black started 47 games and had 6 RBIs.  In 2000, Kim Rohret started 36 games and had 8 RBIs.  Paula White started 31 games and had 6 RBIs.  Lise DeBruin started 32 games and had 1 RBI and no extra-base hits.  In 2003, Angela Johnson started 45 games and had 9 RBIs.  In 2004, Leah White started 43 games and had 8 RBIs.  In 2006, Katie Johnson started 42 games and had 6 RBIs.

Thanks for providing some factual stats to show that Knucklehead doesn't know jack crap.

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jayrot

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If you haven't seen Fouts pitch and have espn3 login, you can watch her lead the Bandits to the championship at TCS 16U.
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TerpAlum, apparently there's an EXCELLENT group of coaches prepping these girls for college...had you been watching the Triple Crown Sports Nationals on espn3 right now...right from the announcers mouth.  The ones mentioned by name, Richardson and Cooper, gosh, are BOTH men.  Gasp.
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Stanford commit Maddie Dwyer lookjs pretty good!
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How do Alabama softball fans feel about next season? Are you optimistic about the years growth of the team?


I am very excited about next year.  I still think to be successful we need Demi on the field, but I believe that the end of the season had to give the girls some confidence and show where we need to improve a little.  

knucklecurve

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Revise and extend remarks concerning the CF position for the Tide. I am limiting the set of players to those with 100 or more AB's with zero Extra-Base hits and 10 or fewer RBI for my discussion.

The set of players with no extra base hits is the null set, empty set, no members prior to this past season. Brown is now the singular member of that set.

The set of players with 10 or fewer RBI is 4 with one double dipper. If I drop this down to 2 RBI there are no members until this year. Brown again is the singular member of this set.
 1. Leah White(2004): 8 RBI in 117 AB. Leah started 3/4 of the games and was able to move runners with 10 sacs.
 2. Angela Johnson(2003): 9 RBI in 115 AB. 9 is more than 2. Angela, started about 3/4 of the games and was in a platoon with Emily Currie and Capper Reed. When added up the trinity of players far exceeds 10 RBI, despite Mendoza line (Mario not Jessica) averages.
 3. Kim Rohret(2000): 8 RBI in 101 AB. Kim played in 53/80 games and did not play in the NCAA's and never played again. I want to say she got hurt. She did stay did go on to graduate.
 4. Kristi Black(1999): 6 RBI in 114 AB and was replaced by Suzanne Olcott during conference player.
Keisti did this with a sub Mendoza line average and essentially did not play again due to hurt feelings. She did go on to graduate after leaving the team.
     Kristi Black(1997): Kristi was a tallish, well built, but not that fast. Most high schools were still playing slow pitch at the time but some fool made her a slap-hitter. She had 54 starts with 118 AB and 7 RBI  with a below the Mendoza line average and 7 still beats 2.

In conclusion CF needs to improve a lot in moving players whose last name is not Brown. We need more than somebody who could bunt or tap the ball and run like hell, We need a player who has the potential to be a complete player in that position.
Additionally Hemphill needs to quit looking for walks. It's OK if CF had 50 walks but Hemphill is here to move and drive in runners.
There's a world of slow and a lack of quickness at the corners.
The keystone is OK with Booker doing an adequate job at short and Turner being the team's spark plug.
Dykes is a good and workman like catcher and there is adequate depth.
It wouldn't surprise if some of the Freshman end up in the outfield before the year is out if they can hit and move runner. Last year was the third worst in run scoring and hasn't been that bad since Bowers Park. Brown leading the team with 30 runs was pathetic. They need to quit dressing like little princesses for team pictures and playing stupid pranks on the winning hitter when she is being interviewed on national TV. There was no senior leadership and a lot of immaturity. maybe Demi and others could provide that for the team this year. They played with their head up their butts for a lot of the year last year and there is opportunity for the incoming Freshman.
Lexi Is going to have to quit running the count out to 3/2 and throwing 150 pitches because we can't expect Moore to perform at a Littlejohn level. The Freshman and Transfer, as the President would say: "Who the hell knows."




 



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"I was massively wrong" would save a lot of time.
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They need to quit dressing like little princesses for team pictures and playing stupid pranks on the winning hitter when she is being interviewed on national TV. 


What pictures are those? Do their jerseys make them look like princesses to you? You're right you never see any college baseball or MLB teams celebrate a winning hit on TV [rolleyes] why don't we just wheel out some swinging robots and a pitching machine instead?

If you have an issue with emotion and celebrating in women's sports that's one thing but to act like it affects run support is asinine.
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"I was massively wrong" would save a lot of time.


There couldn't be a better signature for ol' knuck.
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1. Brown had 41 runs. The total runs for the team was the lowest since 1999; and it was a lot lower than usual.
2. Doubles at 52 the LOWEST EVER. HR's at 37 third lowest. BA at .273 the 4th lowest ever. Slugging at .390 lowest since the complex opened in 2000. I doubt if Pat and Aly forgot how to coach hitting. Maybe they need to defer offering to the player actually has played in a high school game; maybe the beginning of their junior year
3. As for celebrations, Coach Bryant said: "Act like you've been there before".
4. The princess picture was flashed real quickly either on TV or the scoreboard.
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Interesting Stats On SEC batting averages for 2017. The worst beginning with the 1999 season.

BA: .245 (next worst 1999 .267)

SLG: .329 (next worst 2002 .371)

OBP: .332 (next worse 1999 .353)

OBP better than SLG not good. Not only were they the worst, but they were a lot worse.

Pat did a great job getting them as far as they did, but the recruiting is falling off.
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Thanks for the updates, knucklecurve.  Do you have any current thoughts on how much the pitching has gone downhill since Vann left?
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1. Brown had 41 runs. The total runs for the team was the lowest since 1999; and it was a lot lower than usual.
2. Doubles at 52 the LOWEST EVER. HR's at 37 third lowest. BA at .273 the 4th lowest ever. Slugging at .390 lowest since the complex opened in 2000. I doubt if Pat and Aly forgot how to coach hitting. Maybe they need to defer offering to the player actually has played in a high school game; maybe the beginning of their junior year
3. As for celebrations, Coach Bryant said: "Act like you've been there before".
4. The princess picture was flashed real quickly either on TV or the scoreboard.

Here are some 2017 NCAA stats in regards to SEC players:
1. Batting Average - 4 SEC players in top 50; 6 in top 100
2. Hits - 8 SEC players in top 50; 10 in top 100
3. Homeruns - 3 SEC players in top 43  *NCAA only provided 2017 stats for Top 43 places
4. Slugging Percentage - 2 SEC players in top 50; 5 in top 100
5. RBI's - 4 SEC players in top 30   *NCAA only provided 2017 stats for Top 30 places
6. On-Base Percentage - 4 SEC players in top 50; 6 in top 100  *Bailey H. was No. 52
7. ERA - 4 SEC pitchers in top 10; 11 in top 50; 19 in top 100
 
The point of this post is that it appears the entire SEC was down this year, not just Alabama, even though 3 of the participants in the 2017 WCWS were SEC teams.  Alabama was 2 runs away from going to the WCWS.  No doubt that Alabama had a down year offensively but in comparison to the entire SEC, it wasn't near abysmal as you make it out to be.  You post incessantly about Murphy's decline in recruiting but is seems that in comparison to the other schools in the SEC, his recruits are not near as bad as what you harp about. 

I expect Alabama to bounce back in 2018.  They played 4 freshmen and 3 sophmores in many of the games this year.  Hopefully those individuals benefitted from getting so much playing time.


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Just gonna put this here and run.

https://twitter.com/alabamasb/status/890964932304531456
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I wouldn't say the SEC was down, but I would say they were exposed for being an overrated conference
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I wouldn't say the SEC was down, but I would say they were exposed for being an overrated conference

Overated?  LOL.  Don't be a hater.  SEC is the dominant conference.   Great pitching was the reason for the decrease in offensive production.
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Overated?  LOL.  Don't be a hater.  SEC is the dominant conference.   Great pitching was the reason for the decrease in offensive production.

I said what I said. It was (is) an overrated conference. The youth movement is out west, so the softball out west will continue to grow.

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I said what I said. It was (is) an overrated conference. The youth movement is out west, so the softball out west will continue to grow.


Hard to call it overrated when the champion was from one of the weaker conferences on the whole. On the whole the two best conferences are the P12 and SEC, but that hasn't translated into a title in 2 years for the SEC and 7 years for the P12. And it's even hard to continue the west is the dominant youth force for too much longer as the east is slowly catching up (in case you missed Ms Holloway and her team this week). Surely on the whole the West holds the keys still but the grasp is loosening. Three of the best pitchers in the country last year weren't West coast prodigies.
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I said what I said. It was (is) an overrated conference. The youth movement is out west, so the softball out west will continue to grow.


There are not enough good programs out west to absorb the number of talented young ladies who want to play competitive D-1 ball.  SEC schools will continue to pluck talent from the West Coast because of their facilities and the competitive nature of the conference.
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SEC softball was way over-rated...........
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