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Dems harassing electors - It's not hard to see why when you hear of so many on the left saying the election wasn't legitimate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/18/arizonas-presidential-electors-being-harassed-urged-not-to-cast-vote-for-trump.html

Bruce Ash, another elector and Arizona’s GOP national committeeman told the Republic he had also received hundreds in what he called “an outright political maneuver.” He said many of the calls were hateful.

"They demonize me, they call me a homophobic, an isolationist, a bigot, a misogynist, and an anti-Semite, which is interesting because I'm Jewish," he told the Republic.

Sharon Geise said she has received as many as 8,000 overtures, and now doesn’t even dare to answer her phone.

“Hillary’s got a great campaign going,” she said.

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Snowflake down. I bet that brings on even more salty tears
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dewy math says count the 3 million illegals who voted for crooked hilLIARry and then contend that hilLIARry won the popular vote

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Roger that.

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electoral college isn't going anywhere soon even if the npon-proportional awarding of the elector votes is up to each state. Maine awards proportional (3 for hillary and 1 for trump based on how the state voted).
Electoral college started as proportional. If you win half the state votes you win half it's elector votes. Win 70% you get 70%. This meant every vote counts since republicans could get elector votes in liberal new york and democrats could get votes in texas. All or none awarding of votes means you just need to barely win swing states to win the election and campaigning in texas, california, mississippi, alabama, oregon, and washington is just a wave. They spend their time where they can tip the scale since tipping it means getting all. If you could get votes in every state the swing states are same as every other state....you aren't treating the usa as 49 states and dc to win plus nebraska and maine, you try and win votes in every single of the 51. And you would. Getting another X number of votes in this state means another elector vote won (and taken away from the opposition). So winning 15 votes from cali for GOP is a 30 vote swing. 15 for red and minus 15 for blue. Winning 10 votes in tecas is a 20 vote swing for democrats. This means people that do not vote in texas or cali because they know their state is red or blue solid will now go vote. A friend of mine in dallas said the popular vote is skewed because several of them did not vote because they knew texas was solid red and would be won easily by trump. Winning by 1% of by 40% is same......38 electoral votes. Proportion does not matter. I reminded him that calidfornians think the same way. it is solid blue and there are many people that do not vote because it was going to be easily won by hillary. When obama won in 2008 it was decided before california finished voting. I remember living there when president had enough elector votes to win before it got to west coast. Hawaii sees election called before their polls close often. 

Trump ripped the electoral college in 2012. A week before the election he called it a disaster. Winning changes attitudes.
The system started with proportional electoral votes per state. Win 80% of the 10 votes and get 8. Then the states were allowed to decide. So do you think cali or texas is going to go proportional when they can award all their states votes to their candidate? Nope. So here we are. In 2008 and 2012 people on right were on social media posting about popular vote. Why? Because winning the popular vote after losing electoral vote is a participation trophy. It means you can say if we counted the votes of all the 56% of people that votes (yes it sucked) then this person would have won. If hillary won and trump won popular vote it would have been the same and people like me would be saying "Ted cruz would have won over hillary".




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electoral college isn't going anywhere soon even if the npon-proportional awarding of the elector votes is up to each state. Maine awards proportional (3 for hillary and 1 for trump based on how the state voted).
Electoral college started as proportional. If you win half the state votes you win half it's elector votes. Win 70% you get 70%. This meant every vote counts since republicans could get elector votes in liberal new york and democrats could get votes in texas. All or none awarding of votes means you just need to barely win swing states to win the election and campaigning in texas, california, mississippi, alabama, oregon, and washington is just a wave. They spend their time where they can tip the scale since tipping it means getting all. If you could get votes in every state the swing states are same as every other state....you aren't treating the usa as 49 states and dc to win plus nebraska and maine, you try and win votes in every single of the 51. And you would. Getting another X number of votes in this state means another elector vote won (and taken away from the opposition). So winning 15 votes from cali for GOP is a 30 vote swing. 15 for red and minus 15 for blue. Winning 10 votes in tecas is a 20 vote swing for democrats. This means people that do not vote in texas or cali because they know their state is red or blue solid will now go vote. A friend of mine in dallas said the popular vote is skewed because several of them did not vote because they knew texas was solid red and would be won easily by trump. Winning by 1% of by 40% is same......38 electoral votes. Proportion does not matter. I reminded him that calidfornians think the same way. it is solid blue and there are many people that do not vote because it was going to be easily won by hillary. When obama won in 2008 it was decided before california finished voting. I remember living there when president had enough elector votes to win before it got to west coast. Hawaii sees election called before their polls close often. 

Trump ripped the electoral college in 2012. A week before the election he called it a disaster. Winning changes attitudes.
The system started with proportional electoral votes per state. Win 80% of the 10 votes and get 8. Then the states were allowed to decide. So do you think cali or texas is going to go proportional when they can award all their states votes to their candidate? Nope. So here we are. In 2008 and 2012 people on right were on social media posting about popular vote. Why? Because winning the popular vote after losing electoral vote is a participation trophy. It means you can say if we counted the votes of all the 56% of people that votes (yes it sucked) then this person would have won. If hillary won and trump won popular vote it would have been the same and people like me would be saying "Ted cruz would have won over hillary".




I don't think whining counts.  Electoral college counts.  Is that what you are saying?

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Also note---electoral college votes allotted to each state is not balanced.
Texas, cali, florida, and new york get the shaft.
Texas and cali basically get 1 electoral vote per 700,000 population. Wyoming gets 1 per 195,000 population. Joe's vote in wyoming is worth 3 and half times that of Dixie's vote in texas.
Vermont, alaska an north dakota get 1 electoral vote per 200k some odd population while new york and north carolina get 1 per 650k plus population
So texas has 38 electoral votes. Wyoming has 3. If they were allotted by same population per state wyoming would get 1 electoral vote (and thus DC would get only 1 vote since they cannot have more votes than any state). Going the other way if using wyoming math Texas would have 133 electoral votes. 

The campaigns in 2008, 2012 and 2016 spent 80% of their time courting 20% of the population (swing states). Forbes and AP times covered this the past 20 years.
The system has huge holes and if fixed it would create other holes in place of the ones fixed. So suck it up elephants and donkeys...it is not changing any time soon. 
it isn't fair and everyone gets the shaft. It is a big turd sammich and everyone has to take a bite depending which way the sandwich is served




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Also note---electoral college votes allotted to each state is not balanced.
Texas, cali, florida, and new york get the shaft.
Texas and cali basically get 1 electoral vote per 700,000 population. Wyoming gets 1 per 195,000 population. Joe's vote in wyoming is worth 3 and half times that of Dixie's vote in texas.
Vermont, alaska an north dakota get 1 electoral vote per 200k some odd population while new york and north carolina get 1 per 650k plus population
So texas has 38 electoral votes. Wyoming has 3. If they were allotted by same population per state wyoming would get 1 electoral vote (and thus DC would get only 1 vote since they cannot have more votes than any state). Going the other way if using wyoming math Texas would have 133 electoral votes. 

The campaigns in 2008, 2012 and 2016 spent 80% of their time courting 20% of the population (swing states). Forbes and AP times covered this the past 20 years.
The system has huge holes and if fixed it would create other holes in place of the ones fixed. So suck it up elephants and donkeys...it is not changing any time soon. 
it isn't fair and everyone gets the shaft. It is a big turd sammich and everyone has to take a bite depending which way the sandwich is served




Electoral college issue is separate from swing state issue.  

Swing states are courted because sometimes they go blue, sometimes they go red.  Their electorate is split.  

Does not make a lot of sense spending to have a Republican spending a lot of time in California, when the are going blue no matter what.  Dems do not have to court California either cause it already going blue.  So Dems just need to show up and fund raise.  





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Déjà vu - smh

- We've previously covered ME and NE are not truly proportional, they're by congressional district.

- The 2 electoral votes corresponding to senators skews the population/EV ratios and this was intentional to balance the weight of states and population.
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It amazes me at how intolerant the tolerant left is..... how unloving the loving are..... how small hearted the big hearted are.....how filled with hate the ones who condemn hate are....how the ones who decry race embrace reverse racism....
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haha.  King of fake news stories CNN, write about second biggest source of fake news, Facebook, developing tools to stop fake news.  Irony much?

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didn't see any salty tears when this happened

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In 2008 Democrat primaries Obama was not on michigan ballot. He took his name off. 239,000 votes were uncommitted in the primary in that state. Hillary got 328,000. 
Nevada, washington, iowa and Maine do not release popular vote totals so those 4 states are not counted. Obama won Iowa, maine and washington and hillary won nevada.

Hillary campaign had salty tears. When she fell behind the campaign lept reminding americans that she was winning popular vote (small states are over represented in electoral system).
Winning 5 states for a total of 20 votes will net alot less popular votes than winning by same margin for one state worth 20. 200,000 votes per population compared to 700,000 population per vote means the pop
Her campaign for months whined until it ended. Her supporters vowed to not support obama the same way sanders supporters said they would not support her.
She was supposed to have been crowned and win easily over rookie novice obama. She got deja vu again. Win states not people. That is the usa system. Individual votes only count for winning a state in our all-or-none system for awarded electoral votes. Winning a state 70% to 30% is no different than winning that state 50.5% to 49.5%. No style points. 1% win is same as 40% win.
That is why republican primaries are better. most were proportional. The way electoral should be (and trump would have still won).

Hillary campaign cried then too. She started the birther movement to make hr comeback. But it was too late. Obama had momentum and enthusiams and she had "I will be first woman president" entitlement.
Clintons and obama fued went on afterwards and they patched it up so it would not benefit mccain. 
Romney, mccain, and hillary do not fire up and motivate crowds or voters. They fall flat. Trump, obama, palin, and bernie get people worked up and fired up.
People arent voting on a politician...they are voting on an ideal. Resume does not matter in social media age. As they told the gladiators in rome---win the crowd. You don't have to be the best candidate---be the best looking one to people. Obama and palin were the least 2 qualified people in 2008 for politics and leadership yet they were the two most popular people left and right.
Hillary took backseat to community organizer obama. Wasn't most popular woman in politcs (palin was and the left liked wendy davis more than hillary) and the reality star business mogul with potty mouth and old man "you illegals get off my lawn" mentality beat her out. Ted cruz was the most well-rounded and qualified candidate overall and he lost to the apprentice too. 

Hillary is done. She was in oven since 2008 ready to be served and twice now she lost to rookies. Her public relations team needs to be fired. All they do is whine and complain about results. She doesn't need excuses she needs results. It is like college football.......you didnt have to like the BCS system or the playoff system but you know what it is before season starts and you cannot complain because of the results afterwards. Yes system sucks but it sucked from day 1 of the election process and sicked the past 7 elections too. No surprises. Win the elector votes to be elected. Popular vote and a quarter gets you a trump university diploma but it won't make you democrat nominee nor president. 

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Spot on. Nice post fhoenix.
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Win states not people. dewy, the self described, political junkie never learned this lesson That is the usa system. Individual votes only count for winning a state in our all-or-none system for awarded electoral votes. 

Hillary campaign cried then too. She started the birther movement to make her comeback.  Yes she did

Hillary is done. She was in oven since 2008 ready to be served and twice now she lost to rookies. Her public relations team needs to be fired. All they do is whine and complain about results.  That's what libtards do She doesn't need excuses she needs results.

Win the elector votes to be elected. Popular vote and a quarter gets you a trump university diploma but it won't make you democrat nominee nor president. 




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A propagandist, a Watergate type break in, and supposed FBI insiders lying to the nation that the Democrat candidate would soon be indicted were simply too much to overcome.  The American voters were abused like no other US election.  I'm confident people will go to jail as a result of events we witnessed in this campaign. 
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I implore Dems to listen and believe Dewey's reasons for why HRC lost. The sensible response is to get HRC to run again in 2020 so she can attain what she was denied.
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I implore Dems to listen and believe Dewey's reasons for why HRC lost. The sensible response is to get HRC to run again in 2020 so she can attain what she was denied.


Wouldn't that be sweet. Do it for the children

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I'm confident people will go to jail as a result of events we witnessed in the obama administration 


Remember the racist and crooked attorney generals that we had named Holder and Lynch

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Those two should be prosecuted and put in prison.......
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