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Ij10

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Just want to remind everyone that NC State started their program while I was in college and won the ACC within the first two years. Now that coach is an assistant at USCe.

She is a good one!
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Yes, but you’re making a case for a team that won’t come into existence until 2020. There are a lot of undetermined variables. You can’t put all of your weight on that. On another note, Beverly Smith took a program that was absolutely terrible and has been rebuilding it piece by piece. She is a great coach.


Beverly Smith is a good coach, but I am not sure I would give her the title "great" at this point. Two of the best pitchers in the state, Carly Hoover and Matty Moss, left town for other schools while she was at USCe.
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FWIW - I know a ton of southern kids who love Clemson - but a ton who don't because there's literally nothing there but the school.  The town itself is not much.

The reason Georgia kids go to SC is because there are so many more opportunities under the Academic Common Market (in state tuition for certain majors), Clemson doesn't offer much in that regard.

I respectfully disagree with JAD about the athletic facilities.  The cluster of facilities where the SC softball field is located is about as nice as it gets.  Plus a female athlete might notice the fact that one school just won a National Championship in a woman's sport.

None of this is a shot at Clemson, great school - but certainly no slam dunk when compared to SC.


National championship in football >>>> National championship in any women's sport in 98.2% of peoples minds...I am not a Clemson homer, but I think people are kidding themselves if they think they will not be competitive in a hurry with the right hire as head coach.  If USCe's athletic facilities are so great why is Clemson kicking their ass in football recruiting?
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National championship in football >>>> National championship in any women's sport in 98.2% of peoples minds...I am not a Clemson homer, but I think people are kidding themselves if they think they will not be competitive in a hurry with the right hire as head coach.  If USCe's athletic facilities are so great why is Clemson kicking their ass in football recruiting?


Because they have Will Muschamp as a coach.
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Beverly Smith is a good coach, but I am not sure I would give her the title "great" at this point. Two of the best pitchers in the state, Carly Hoover and Matty Moss, left town for other schools while she was at USCe.

Hoovers mom coaches at Clemson she wasn't going to USC. Moss was a late bloomer.I know you have a good understanding of the time line for recruiting pitchers. I don't think you can bunch the southern kids into liking one school more than the other. Some kids like to be in a city some like the country. I know every kid that chooses a school does so for different reasons and more than anything it's about relationships. My kids from Ga but chose to go to USCe because of the coaches. I don't know many girls who choose a school because the football team won a national championship.
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Beverly Smith is a good coach, but I am not sure I would give her the title "great" at this point. Two of the best pitchers in the state, Carly Hoover and Matty Moss, left town for other schools while she was at USCe.


Both of which were from the upstate near the clemson area. If you’re not familiar with how hot the Carolina/Clemson rivalry is, you should be. No die hard clemson fan is going to go to Carolina.
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Because they have Will Muschamp as a coach.


Dabo out recruited Steve Spurrier too...
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Both of which were from the upstate near the clemson area. If you’re not familiar with how hot the Carolina/Clemson rivalry is, you should be. No die hard clemson fan is going to go to Carolina.


I am a Auburn alumni, but if Patrick Murphy called to talk about my daughter I am going to answer the phone!
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Dabo out recruited Steve Spurrier too...


Well, I’d say Dabo has just broken even in that department. We went on a 5 year streak as well.

Let’s just refrain from trying to make Clemson remotely relevant to the softball world right now
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I am a Auburn alumni, but if Patrick Murphy called to talk about my daughter I am going to answer the phone!


You probably missed the part about Hoover’s mom working at CU.
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You probably missed the part about Hoover’s mom working at CU.


I understand Carly's initial decision to go to Stanford, but did her mother working for Clemson prevent her from considering USCe when she decided to transfer?
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From what I heard , Jolene (the Mom) was always willing to listen to what Beverly Smith had to say , but Carly practically grew up on the Clemson campus . The South Carolina softball program hasn't had enough success to overcome that . 

ps - By the way , Jolene attended all the LSU games in Columbia this past season , even though Carly was in a walking boot and unable to play . 
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I understand Carly's initial decision to go to Stanford, but did her mother working for Clemson prevent her from considering USCe when she decided to transfer?


I just do not understand your case for the ACC and magnificent recruiting when you have literally one team in the entire league that is a great program. One. That’s all. What makes Clemson different? The Tarheels have lots around them, a beautiful campus, but little success compared to FSU. NC State is also in a nice area and a great school, nothing happening there. Louisville falls flat. The ACC is not on the rise. They are no a relevant conference in the softball world.
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I just do not understand your case for the ACC and magnificent recruiting when you have literally one team in the entire league that is a great program. One. That’s all. What makes Clemson different? The Tarheels have lots around them, a beautiful campus, but little success compared to FSU. NC State is also in a nice area and a great school, nothing happening there. Louisville falls flat. The ACC is not on the rise. They are no a relevant conference in the softball world.


FSU and Vandy should switch conferences and all would be right with the world...

My contention is not that the ACC is going to become a great conference, but I think Clemson, with the right coaching hire, can become very competitive very quickly in the ACC.  They may only be a middle of the road team in the SEC, but in the ACC they can quickly get into the group of team just below FSU.  And since they are playing in the ACC instead of the SEC their W/L record and RPI will be good enough to get them into the tournament in year 2 or 3.
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Hoovers mom coaches at Clemson she wasn't going to USC. Moss was a late bloomer.I know you have a good understanding of the time line for recruiting pitchers. I don't think you can bunch the southern kids into liking one school more than the other. Some kids like to be in a city some like the country. I know every kid that chooses a school does so for different reasons and more than anything it's about relationships. My kids from Ga but chose to go to USCe because of the coaches. I don't know many girls who choose a school because the football team won a national championship.


If one of the primary things they are touting on visits is the football team it sure would make me wonder.
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I just do not understand your case for the ACC and magnificent recruiting when you have literally one team in the entire league that is a great program. One. That’s all. What makes Clemson different? The Tarheels have lots around them, a beautiful campus, but little success compared to FSU. NC State is also in a nice area and a great school, nothing happening there. Louisville falls flat. The ACC is not on the rise. They are no a relevant conference in the softball world.


Very few teams in the NCAA have the success of FSU.
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Day-umm! For a school that won't start playing for a couple of years Clemson sure is racking up the post count. 

What's going on over at Duke who will start playing this year?  I noticed their roster has 17, all freshmen other than one grad student transfer, and 6 redshirts.  Are they really going to play all spring with 11 or are some of those redshirts likely to come off? Anyone venture a guess as to where they finish, probably not the worst team in the ACC based on talent, just not much college playing experience.   
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Day-umm! For a school that won't start playing for a couple of years Clemson sure is racking up the post count. 

What's going on over at Duke who will start playing this year?  I noticed their roster has 17, all freshmen other than one grad student transfer, and 6 redshirts.  Are they really going to play all spring with 11 or are some of those redshirts likely to come off? Anyone venture a guess as to where they finish, probably not the worst team in the ACC based on talent, just not much college playing experience.   


LOL @ that first sentence
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Very few teams in the NCAA have the success of FSU.
Hard to determine which conference will be worse this year, the Big Ten, ACC or Sun Belt.

Pathetic
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North Carolina and Louisville should be MUCH better than they are.  Weren't they both fringe top 10 programs not too long ago?  I remember watching ACC games on ESPN or ESPN2 several years ago.  There was an ACC game of the week. But when ESPN (understandably) partnered up with the SEC and dropped the ACC, perhaps that really hurt the ACC's recruiting??  Just a theory.  Still no excuse for UNC and the Ville.  They should be competing for national championships, not merely hoping to make the field of 64.     
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Day-umm! For a school that won't start playing for a couple of years Clemson sure is racking up the post count. 

What's going on over at Duke who will start playing this year?  I noticed their roster has 17, all freshmen other than one grad student transfer, and 6 redshirts.  Are they really going to play all spring with 11 or are some of those redshirts likely to come off? Anyone venture a guess as to where they finish, probably not the worst team in the ACC based on talent, just not much college playing experience.   


I am pretty sure that the 6 redshirt freshmen on the roster are the 6 players who came in last year and practiced, but did not play.  They are all planning to play this season.
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North Carolina and Louisville should be MUCH better than they are.  Weren't they both fringe top 10 programs not too long ago?  I remember watching ACC games on ESPN or ESPN2 several years ago.  There was an ACC game of the week. But when ESPN (understandably) partnered up with the SEC and dropped the ACC, perhaps that really hurt the ACC's recruiting??  Just a theory.  Still no excuse for UNC and the Ville.  They should be competing for national championships, not merely hoping to make the field of 64.     


The ACC did themselves a YUGE ($1 to Donald Trump) favor when they added the ACC Network to WatchESPN.  It will help cut down on the advantage the SEC has had over them since the inception of the SEC Network.

Do not know much about Louisville, but I know UNC lost their ACE pitcher and big bat when Kendra Lynch graduated.
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The ACC did themselves a YUGE ($1 to Donald Trump) favor when they added the ACC Network to WatchESPN.  It will help cut down on the advantage the SEC has had over them since the inception of the SEC Network.

Do not know much about Louisville, but I know UNC lost their ACE pitcher and big bat when Kendra Lynch graduated.


Lynch was not very good in the circle. UNC had good days with Spingola as a freshman and sophomore, but even she faded. I would like to see the Tarheels become more competitive. They can swing the bats, but the pitching isn’t there
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Also Brittany Pickett was the Tarheel ace
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Hard to determine which conference will be worse this year, the Big Ten, ACC or Sun Belt.

Pathetic


The ACC is still going to be championed by FSU, with ND having a good shot at making it back to the tournament.  Will another team step up this season?

Michigan had a down year last season and Minnesota was left to represent.  Now that Groenewegen has graduated and Jessica Allister left for Stanford it will be interesting to see which team steps up.

I would predict the Ragin Cagins to win the Sun Belt with GA State having a shot at making the tournament. 
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The ACC is still going to be championed by FSU, with ND having a good shot at making it back to the tournament.  Will another team step up this season?

Michigan had a down year last season and Minnesota was left to represent.  Now that Groenewegen has graduated and Jessica Allister left for Stanford it will be interesting to see which team steps up.

I would predict the Ragin Cagins to win the Sun Belt with GA State having a shot at making the tournament. 


I would say FSU will certainly be the team to beat again for the ACC. ND supposedly has a good pitcher coming in this year, so we will see. Any thoughts on Louisville?

Big Ten will go to Minnesota. Sydney Smith is there now, and Amber Fiser has a great Freshman year in the circle. They return good offensive players as well.

Interested to see the pitching situation for the Cajuns. Still think they will take the Sun Belt. GA Southern’s Dixie Raley transferred to South Carolina.
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North Carolina and Louisville should be MUCH better than they are.  Weren't they both fringe top 10 programs not too long ago?  I remember watching ACC games on ESPN or ESPN2 several years ago.  There was an ACC game of the week. But when ESPN (understandably) partnered up with the SEC and dropped the ACC, perhaps that really hurt the ACC's recruiting??  Just a theory.  Still no excuse for UNC and the Ville.  They should be competing for national championships, not merely hoping to make the field of 64.     


During the Duke vs. NC State game on WatchESPN the announcers made a comment that the NC State coach thinks he has enough talent to make the tournament this season.
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Well if they take the top 8, he's got a shot
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North Carolina and Louisville should be MUCH better than they are.  Weren't they both fringe top 10 programs not too long ago?  I remember watching ACC games on ESPN or ESPN2 several years ago.  There was an ACC game of the week. But when ESPN (understandably) partnered up with the SEC and dropped the ACC, perhaps that really hurt the ACC's recruiting??  Just a theory.  Still no excuse for UNC and the Ville.  They should be competing for national championships, not merely hoping to make the field of 64.     


UNC and Louisville were never top 10 fringe teams. Yes comfortably within the top 25 but not top 10 fringe.
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UNC and Louisville were never top 10 fringe teams. Yes comfortably within the top 25 but not top 10 fringe.


Last I remember Louisville hosted 3-4 years ago as the 15 seed in the Tournament
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