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outofzone

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Must say that Joanna Hardin at UVa is a good hire that will hopefully change the CA recruiting model.  Strong Virginia ties and coached a travel team in the state years ago.  I think she will give JMU and Va Tech a run for their money for good in state talent now.  While 21 wins so far and a current 7 game win streak is hard to be too excited about it is a huge improvement over past years and the Miller debacle. With talks underway for a new facility (which has to be the worst in the ACC by far) the future could be looking up for the Hoos. Time will tell. 


She is trying to change things. Her and her staff have been seen more than a few times at local Va high school games. Seems to be making a concerted effort to recruit her back yard. It's been very productive for Longwood & JMU. Even Va Tech has had some success: Maggie Tyler, Kelly Heinz, Chelsea Whitcomb(probably could've played anywhere in the country). Lauren Duff/Catcher is very good.
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Not necessarily disagreeing and I do hope she turns the program around but there are still a lot of work for them to do. 

Hardin doesn't really have strong connections to Va, she was at Liberty for only a couple of years before going to HS and travel in Va before going to McNeese.  Never been anywhere very long and doesn't have a lot of recruiting success on her resume, her assistant who is now HC at McNeese did that.  It does look like she can coach because she's getting better results out of Miller's players than he got from them.  Before they hired her I thought someone like Riley at Longwood would be a better fit, she knows Va and recruits very well in the state and gets a lot out of no-name players for an unfunded program in the middle of nowhere.  You can't win with only Va kids but if you fill most of your roster with them and get a few out of state studs in key positions that formula should work well.
Her primary pitchers are sophomores with 4.5-ish era's.  Her only pitching commit for next year is one of Miller's recruits who is a distant 2 or 3 in high school behind a JMU commit and has bounced around so many travel teams I have no idea where she's playing now.  Usually, when a pitcher is bouncing around travel teams it's because they aren't getting enough circle time.  They need help there so hopefully they get either a transfer or maybe they luck out with another Duke commit that gets caught up in the red tape of their admissions process.
Getting into the ACC tournament would be a tangible improvement that will likely buy her another year or so to get better players in.



Her 2017 RHP is Patti May Ohanian from Northern VA. Plays for Bishop O'Connell. The JMU commit you speak of is Kathryn Sandercock, 2018. Essentially a stacked high school team, playing in a small, very weak private school conference who has ridden the coattails of bunch of Private School State Championships. They beat the crap out of most everybody. Not sure they'd fare so well against some of the public Northern Va schools or an Atlee High School down towards Richmond. The hype is so bad they regularly are ranked top 50 in the Country. Coach is a legend though so that has alot to do with it. So you have 2 pitchers, Sandercock especially, with stats thru the roof. JMU is looking at Sandercock as the 2nd coming of Megan Good. Anybody putting too much stock in high school stats should have their head examined. Actually, Ohanian is probably better suited to play college. Good velocity, attitude. Ye, she's moved around a bit so maybe Hardin can settle her down. Sandercock, I just don't see it but, many people do. JMU thinks so but she won't get any innings when she gets there behind Alexander/Good and, don't be surprised if Dean moves on after Good leaves. 

UVA was very fortunate to get Maddi Travers, the former Duke commit. She will most likely contribute right away. What they really need is a solid #1 pitcher. Ohanian is at least as good as anybody on staff now.  I agree Hardin has done very well with her current group. She's respecting Miller's recruits thru 2018 I believe..IMO, the program has a very good chance to turn around, especially if the talk of facility upgrades comes to fruition.



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they are bringing in two pitching recruits next year, including the top ranked pitcher in the 2017 class (according to flosoftball).



Who is the pitcher?
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Who is the pitcher?


Beverly Bandits kid from Indiana or Illinois. Alexis Holloway. Someone correct me if I have the name wrong.
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Not to mention Hardin's assistant coach is Rafter who still plays for Team Canada as their catcher with a strong bat. She is offensively strong and also really pushes the fundamentals. UVA has actually strong offensive stats in the ACC this season so it's nice to see those offensive efforts show. Their pitching has been their downfall. It will take at least 4 years to build the team as Hardin is honouring all of Miller's recruits for the next couple of years and then hopefully with the recruiting by she and her staff will add some strength and depth of their own. One step at a time though as you can only work with what you're given as a new coach so you need a lot of patience. I do think Hardin and Rafter have made inroads already even if they don't make the playoffs this year. This weekend they play at Louisville and then the season is finished if they don't clinch a spot - they will need to win at least one game (of course a win would be considered an upset but they swept ND last weekend). I'm sure Louisville will be more prepared though now that they know what UVA is capable of. A win is UVA's only chance to make it to the ACC championships.


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Beverly Bandits kid from Indiana or Illinois. Alexis Holloway. Someone correct me if I have the name wrong.


Correct. From Northern Indiana near Chicago
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She and Elish were on same Crown Point staff for 3 years
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And she's going to a losing program?
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And she's going to a losing program?


FloSoftball did an article where she said it was her dream school since she was a little girl. Not to mention you could do worse than playing in the ACC and getting a top notch education!
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Her 2017 RHP is Patti May Ohanian from Northern VA. Plays for Bishop O'Connell....  Actually, Ohanian is probably better suited to play college. Good velocity, attitude. Ye, she's moved around a bit so maybe Hardin can settle her down. 

UVA was very fortunate to get Maddi Travers, the former Duke commit. She will most likely contribute right away. What they really need is a solid #1 pitcher. Ohanian is at least as good as anybody on staff now.  I agree Hardin has done very well with her current group.


Yeah, but it should be unsettling both for the recruit herself and coach Hardin that her pitching commit for next year isn't pitching.  I can't figure out why Tommy O doesn't throw the kid a bone and let her pitch some games.  O'Connell plays so many weak teams they could pitch just about anyone on their roster and win via run-rule.  The only other pitcher for them with any stats recorded online is an unknown and uncommitted sophomore.  Anyone know what travel team she plays for these days and if she's getting any pitching time for them?

The "talk of a new facility" stuff most likely means that 2028 recruits may have a shinny new P5 conference worthy stadium to play in.  Personally, I don't think the facilities are as bad advertised here.  I have seen worse D1 facilities, albeit not P5, and other than JMU there aren't any Va schools with significantly better facilities.  The current facility isn't very nice from a fan perspective but not much different from others from a players perspective. 

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And she's going to a losing program?


Notre Dame is having a tough season, but I would not call them a "losing program." Perhaps you were thinking VA??
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Notre Dame is having a tough season, but I would not call them a "losing program." Perhaps you were thinking VA??


Aren't we talking about Virginia here?
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Aren't we talking about Virginia here?


The title of the thread is "ACC Softball 2017", so it is open to discussion of any ACC team.
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The title of the thread is "ACC Softball 2017", so it is open to discussion of any ACC team.



Gosh I had no idea!  Lol.  We have been talking about Virginia and their recruits, obviously, so then someone says ND and I'm like what?
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Aren't we talking about Virginia here?


No. Jayrot posted something about the Notre Dame season and indicated that their pitching has gone downhill. I then posted they have a top pitching prospect coming in next year.

Just a misunderstanding.
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Gosh I had no idea!  Lol.  We have been talking about Virginia and their recruits, obviously, so then someone says ND and I'm like what?


Yeah, it can be tough to follow along, especially when someone changes the team being discussed without notification.
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Yeah, it can be tough to follow along, especially when someone changes the team being discussed without notification.


right!  I didn't get a notification.
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Awww man, that was a whole page back!  Thanks 3left.
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Excuse me, I'm working on 1300 [biggrin]
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Excuse me, I'm working on 1300 [biggrin]



Lol[smile]
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No. Jayrot posted something about the Notre Dame season and indicated that their pitching has gone downhill. I then posted they have a top pitching prospect coming in next year. Just a misunderstanding.


Sorry was just redirecting after realizing that ND went 1-5 against the bottom dwellers of the ACC (GT and UVA).  It was all in the same line of thinking with the post about UVA sweeping ND.

Also, the one downside of the forum moving away from quoting the entire conversational thread and just leaving it as the last post.  I like the current setup, but it'd be fun to have a link to the previous post being referenced, a la twitter.
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Boston College should finish second, especially since they do not play FSU.  Pretty solid team with wins over Arizona State and Wisconsin.  


Don't look now but I THINK Boston College is now tied for second with UNC, and North Carolina still has two games remaining with FSU.  
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Great time to be an Eagle
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BC definitely the second best team in that conf IMO
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BC definitely the second best team in that conf IMO


They may FINISH second but I dont think they are the second best team.  In the last two weeks they have lost to UConn, were swept three games by UNC, lost to UMass, and today to NC State.  Big series next weekend at ND.  
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Totally agree. Had to hurt RPI. Still like where the program is heading. Saw that they finally broke ground on a new stadium.
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Is Frei for BC injured/redshirting this year?
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Has there ever been a conference with 10 worse softball teams than the ACC this year? And UNC without Lynch? Jeebus Criminy

outofzone
Maybe there is just more parity amongst the bad teams...if possible.

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Excellent spin on it. I gotta remember that one!  [biggrin]

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Frei is out, not sure why. Dreswick was wearing a boot before and after UNC game.  Clearly in pain.  BC Coach is a nutcase who was booted out of UNC game in first inning after totally losing her temper for no reason, was also booted out at Pitt after a crazy call. 

BC won't make it out of the first round of the ACC tournament. 

UNC is definitely the #2 team.  Louisville will also do well in the ACC tournament.
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