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spazsdad

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Why doesn’t Kazoo care about his own race. Could his dick sucking black man facade be just that.
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I could care less about Kazoo's race. The fact that Kazoo defends the slaughter of innocent babies in the womb is unfathomable to me as a human being. It's just the lowest atrocity I can think of that we as a nation of individuals have enabled. I can think of no more evil thing than to kill a baby. That's just lower than low. I fear we will pay a high price as a nation under God's judgment, and I am ashamed the practice of infanticide is an acceptable and lawful routine that occurs daily in my nation. Beyond disgusting, it's a damnable behavior that is endorsed and celebrated as some right to be cherished. We are a nation that contains a culture of very F'd up strange, Godless, soulless and evil people..
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If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
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No one approves of killing babies. Your intractable position on this subject renders your opinion useless. Our society, by consensus, has determined abortion to be an action that can be taken by a woman at her discretion, if certain criteria are met. This is a reasonable position, as we have too many unwanted, unexpected pregnancies, resulting in children that are under the care of people unable to spend the time or money necessary to properly raise them. Try to take a more responsible and reasonable position and maybe you can exert some influence into the narrative. You currently are a non factor.

baby

 noun
ba·by | \ˈbā-bē  \
plural babies

Definition of baby 

(Entry 1 of 3)

1a(1)an extremely young child especially INFANT

(2)an extremely young animal

bthe youngest of a group He is the baby of the family.

2aone that is like a baby (as in behavior)When it comes to getting shots, I'm a real baby.

bsomething that is one's special responsibility, achievement, or interestThe project was his baby.

3slang

aGIRLWOMAN often used in address

bBOYMAN often used in addressHey baby, nice car!

4PERSONTHINGis one tough baby

 

 


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Originally Posted by woody
I could care less about Kazoo's race. The fact that Kazoo defends the slaughter of innocent babies in the womb is unfathomable to me as a human being. It's just the lowest atrocity I can think of that we as a nation of individuals have enabled. I can think of no more evil thing than to kill a baby. That's just lower than low. I fear we will pay a high price as a nation under God's judgment, and I am ashamed the practice of infanticide is an acceptable and lawful routine that occurs daily in my nation. Beyond disgusting, it's a damnable behavior that is endorsed and celebrated as some right to be cherished. We are a nation that contains a culture of very F'd up strange, Godless, soulless and evil people..



Isn't it time for you to get over to your weekend fundamentalist snake-handling service? 

Embryos are not "babies," and there is no "god." I hate to break it to you, but there isn't. It's just us, man. The Supreme Court long ago affirmed the right of women to have abortions. I know that upsets all the christian crazies....Should men and women do everything needed to prevent unwanted pregnancies? They absolutely should--in this country and everywhere else in the world. But you go handle snakes and let women make their own decisions about their own lives. They don't need a bunch of old religious fanatics trying to tell them what to do.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by woody
I could care less about Kazoo's race. The fact that Kazoo defends the slaughter of innocent babies in the womb is unfathomable to me as a human being. It's just the lowest atrocity I can think of that we as a nation of individuals have enabled. I can think of no more evil thing than to kill a baby. That's just lower than low. I fear we will pay a high price as a nation under God's judgment, and I am ashamed the practice of infanticide is an acceptable and lawful routine that occurs daily in my nation. Beyond disgusting, it's a damnable behavior that is endorsed and celebrated as some right to be cherished. We are a nation that contains a culture of very F'd up strange, Godless, soulless and evil people..


Quoted for truth.  Bravo.
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No one approves of killing babies. Your intractable position on this subject renders your opinion useless. Our society, by consensus, has determined abortion to be an action that can be taken by a woman at her discretion, if certain criteria are met. This is a reasonable position, as we have too many unwanted, unexpected pregnancies, resulting in children that are under the care of people unable to spend the time or money necessary to properly raise them. Try to take a more responsible and reasonable position and maybe you can exert some influence into the narrative. You currently are a non factor. 



So, your general position is that girls/women can't control the fact that they crave sex, will have sex, will not protect themselves from getting pregnant during sex, and then will be stuck with the consequences of that sex.

Then, they have to kill the baby that results, then jump in the sack with some ahole to do it all again.

You don't give women much credit.  In fact, your low opinion of women's intellect disgusts me.
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Originally Posted by Fresh
No one approves of killing babies. Your intractable position on this subject renders your opinion useless. Since my "intractable" opinion conflicts with your position, that somehow automatically renders it useless? BS, it just means you can't win the debate on abortion, so you in your intellectual dishonesty you state that you don't think the opposing opinion has any validity you walk away from the debate, then pivot. Our society, by consensus, has determined abortion to be an action that can be taken by a woman at her discretion, if certain criteria are met. This is a reasonable position, as we have too many unwanted, unexpected pregnancies, resulting in children that are under the care of people unable to spend the time or money necessary to properly raise them. Try to take a more responsible and reasonable position and maybe you can exert some influence into the narrative. You currently are a non factor.
No, some people within our society want to walk away from the responsibilities of parenthood that was brought about by their own careless actions. Some other people in our society want to walk away from our responsibility as a society to the young that will one day guide our nation. Other than a health threat to the life of the Mother, rape or incest, abortion should be unheard of. There is no grey area here. It is death or life. Just because you cannot defend infanticide, certainly does not render my opinion a non factor. On the contrary, it only exposes your inability to win a debate against me on this subject.

baby

 noun
ba·by | \ˈbā-bē  \
plural babies

Definition of baby 

(Entry 1 of 3)

1a(1)an extremely young child especially INFANT

(2)an extremely young animal

bthe youngest of a group He is the baby of the family.

2aone that is like a baby (as in behavior)When it comes to getting shots, I'm a real baby.

bsomething that is one's special responsibility, achievement, or interestThe project was his baby.

3slang

aGIRLWOMAN often used in address

bBOYMAN often used in addressHey baby, nice car!

4PERSONTHINGis one tough baby

 

 


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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
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You could put it like that....if you wanted to mischaracterize my position. But of course you wouldn't want to do that, so I'll expand on my position. 
Men and women are going to have sex. In our society, the assumption that abstention is a practical option is short sighted. Young people make poor decisions. They have much freedom and little experience to draw from. Failure of birth control products or the failure to use these products, either correctly, or at all, should not sentence a young couple to the overwhelming financial and emotional requirements of parenthood. Older people also make poor or impulsive decisions on sex. Requiring the decision of adoption or have the baby early on in the pregnancy is too penal. When most young couples and many middle aged couples need 2 incomes, having the baby puts financial and overwhelming career influencing decisions on them, at a time when it is important to define how they want to make a living. Most mothers, when faced with giving up a baby for adoption or raising it, will find it impossible to let the baby go. The strong instincts of a mother don't usually manifest themselves when deciding whether to abort a 16 week old mass of cells. Motherhood can come later, when finances and career are on more solid ground. 
If your reasons are faith based, I suggest enforcing them on your family, but please leave the rest of us to our own set of criteria and morals. They are really none of your business, the Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is not murder. What other reason would you have to intervene? Imposing your morals on me? What gives you that right? Does your god wish you to pass judgement on my morals? Really?

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woody

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So by your logic, people are so stupid, ignorant, uncontrollably lustful, that we must allow infanticide in order to enable them and society to walk away from the consequences of their actions. That's not a rational argument. Here, let me help your thought process with an analogy.

We have lot's of dogs and cats running around breeding like the animals they are. It's what they do. In order to reduce the number of unwanted feral animals breeding, and control the population, we spay and neuter, and in some instances I have read they air drop bait that contains contraceptives. If all the attempts to control the unwanted population fails, we as a society pay government employees to trap and transport them to animal control shelters. A lucky few of these animals are adopted, spayed, neutered, inoculated and released. The rest are thrown into a vacuum tight container, suffocated, and then their carcasses thrown into a natural gas fired incinerator. 

I see similarities between the treatment of people and animals. If people don't have the intelligence to function as human beings, and instead choose to behave like feral animals unable to control themselves, should we treat them like animals? Should we be sterilizing or implanting contraceptives in huge numbers of people that exhibit certain behavioral patterns like their inability to properly use contraception, or control their sexual activity?  Are you suggesting in your post above that some people have such low IQ's or because of some age threshold, they are therefore unable to function normally and can't be expected to stop repeatedly getting bred?  Could your use of abortion to prevent an unwanted and burdensome child from being born be extend to include forced sterilization, or contraceptive implants in people that you deem to be unable to help themselves? I'm just trying to understand your thought process, and how you can condone infanticide as a tool for Social engineering.

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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
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Abortion is the birth control of choice by some folks.  It's easy, cheap, and "guilt free" for many.

If it was more difficult, expensive, or had some other consequence, then I suspect the witless masses would learn how to use some other method.  


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Does your god wish you to pass judgement on my morals? Really? 


It's not "passing judgement".........The Creator will do that..........

But, to judge?..........The Bible teaches that those who study-and-believe must judge the thoughts and actions of others...........However, to judge in a certain way............

Let me give you an example..........Suppose someone attends a church that they believe to be a Bible teaching church........And, the preacher gives a sermon that you know goes against Biblical teaching...........Or, suppose you know of an openly willful sinful thing the preacher did and he's hiding it from the congregation............He has no public repentance to the church and he's not gonna step-down from leading the church - which are, both, Biblical teachings............The Bible tells us he is a false-teacher and we are not to put any credence in his sermons............

Another example is if we spend a lot-of-time around a friend and that friend is doing some things that are openly, and willfully, against the wishes of the Creator............We express that we aren't comfortable around those things and our friend just doesn't care and keeps doing 'em, all the while inviting us to go along with them.............

Now, the difference between false-judging and judging in the way the Bible teaches followers to judge is, we must judge ourselves first.........If we are to judge others, we must first look at our own life and see if we have any un-repentent sin............. If we are judging others and doing willfully sinful things in our life, then, we are falsely-judging...........This is what the following verse is all about.........

This Bible verse is often taken out-of-context by non-Bible believers...........This verse does not tell believers not-to judge others...........It does tell believers how-to judge others..........

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Matthew 7:3-5 New International Version (NIV)

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

  


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If that baby is viable, there is just no arguing that it has rights.  The mothers rights must also consider that babies rights.  No two ways around that.

Taking that life at that point is immoral.  We know that, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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Once it's a baby, you are correct.
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Originally Posted by Fresh
Once it's a baby, you are correct.

Why would the law still allow abortion at 20 weeks then?  Bad politics?

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Originally Posted by woody
So by your logic, people are so stupid, ignorant, uncontrollably lustful, that we must allow infanticide in order to enable them and society to walk away from the consequences of their actions. That's not a rational argument. Here, let me help your thought process with an analogy.

We have lot's of dogs and cats running around breeding like the animals they are. It's what they do. In order to reduce the number of unwanted feral animals breeding, and control the population, we spay and neuter, and in some instances I have read they air drop bait that contains contraceptives. If all the attempts to control the unwanted population fails, we as a society pay government employees to trap and transport them to animal control shelters. A lucky few of these animals are adopted, spayed, neutered, inoculated and released. The rest are thrown into a vacuum tight container, suffocated, and then their carcasses thrown into a natural gas fired incinerator. 

I see similarities between the treatment of people and animals. If people don't have the intelligence to function as human beings, and instead choose to behave like feral animals unable to control themselves, should we treat them like animals? Should we be sterilizing or implanting contraceptives in huge numbers of people that exhibit certain behavioral patterns like their inability to properly use contraception, or control their sexual activity?  Are you suggesting in your post above that some people have such low IQ's or because of some age threshold, they are therefore unable to function normally and can't be expected to stop repeatedly getting bred?  Could your use of abortion to prevent an unwanted and burdensome child from being born be extend to include forced sterilization, or contraceptive implants in people that you deem to be unable to help themselves? I'm just trying to understand your thought process, and how you can condone infanticide as a tool for Social engineering.


I started to respond in quote, but it is clear you and I have different perspectives on the subject. You see it in the harshest terms possible and I doubt anything I or anyone else may say will change it. Humans are animals and make mistakes. I don't wish for all those mistakes to be irrevocable. It's not a matter of intelligence, but a matter of responsibility and will power. I would never advocate abortion as a replacement for birth control, but inevitably, some will use it as such. 

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Charlie Dent on CNN this morning, "trump knows the cost of everything, but the value of nothing". Pretty well sums him up.

Innuendo
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Exaggeration
Unfounded conspiracy nonsense
Outright lies
As stated by the last real president, "they are just saying stuff"

Barack Obama

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Does a beating heart not constitute a baby?

Why do states allow for fetuses killed in traffic accidents to be included in charges, but allow the mother to terminate the pregnancy with no penalty?

The left sees the life as the property of the mother, with not rights of its own.
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Beating heart can't live, by itself, outside the womb. Not necessarily a human life.
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Charlie Dent on CNN this morning, "trump knows the cost of everything, but the value of nothing". Pretty well sums him up.

Innuendo
Assumption
Exaggeration
Unfounded conspiracy nonsense
Outright lies
As stated by the last real president, "they are just saying stuff"

Barack Obama

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Why would the law still allow abortion at 20 weeks then?  Bad politics?

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Why do states allow for fetuses killed in traffic accidents to be included in charges, but allow the mother to terminate the pregnancy with no penalty?





For the democrats, this, my friend, is the UNANSWERABLE question.

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For the democrats, this, my friend, is the UNANSWERABLE question.




Yep, they scurry away like rats from this question every time it is asked they have no way to answer it.

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For the democrats, this, my friend, is the UNANSWERABLE question.


Freshy conveniently didn’t answer - last time he went down this road it didn’t turn out too well for him.
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Why do 34% of Republicans refuse to support the criminalization of abortion?

I understand why many Americans want to make abortion a crime just as I understand why many don’t support criminalizing abortion. It’s a very difficult issue. At the very least, we should work together to reduce the number of abortions.

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Security for all (defense) safety for all (Police and fire) education for all (K-12) and healthcare for all (universal health care) are not Socialism.  They're American values.

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I started to respond in quote, but it is clear you and I have different perspectives on the subject. You see it in the harshest terms possible and I doubt anything I or anyone else may say will change it. Humans are animals and make mistakes. I don't wish for all those mistakes to be irrevocable. It's not a matter of intelligence, but a matter of responsibility and will power. I would never advocate abortion as a replacement for birth control, but inevitably, some will use it as such. 


I believe dismembering a baby in the womb, sucking its body parts out with a vacuum, and throwing it in a garbage disposal is the harshest terms possible. If you have ever seen a baby that has been dismembered, or a baby that was induced and surgical scissors used to cut its spinal cord, you might have some real understanding of this dark practice you endorse. There are plenty of videos and photos out there. You have a google search engine. Go investigate what you are endorsing as a right. It's pretty F'ing disgusting. I doubt you will follow through, it's much easier to live in ignorance than to embrace the raw reality of the slaughter of innocent lives you support.

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If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
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Well said woody.

Limousine liberals don’t usually do their research.
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Best answer is if we can drive the number of abortions to zero without arresting and charging women.  Shoring up our adoptions system would be an obvious answer.  While there were challenges with the adoption system in the past, those can be easily addressed and it is certainly a more preferable alternative.  

I find it confusing why the left does not support at least limits on abortion, once the fetus is viable. 

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Adoption is a viable alternative as opposed to abortion. I remember when a girl got pregnant in high school, they would visit an aunt far away, or if they were poor, they stayed in a "girls home" when they started showing and continued their education through the duration of the pregnancy. Many of those "poor" girls gave their babies up for adoption. During that period in time, there was a negative opinion about girls that got pregnant out of wedlock. Then, the sexual revolution, the pill, and abortion became commonplace. There was still a social stigma associated to being an unwed mother with bastard children. Nowadays, men are marrying men, women marrying women, and transsexuals doing whatever it is transsexuals do. I guess if all those abominations are considered socially enlightening, then slaughtering millions of innocent children would be considered culturally normal as well.
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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
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You must live a cardboard box, under a bridge abutment. People have sex now. It's not considered an abomination. Join the real world.
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You don’t. Hands don’t count
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Heh Heh.
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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
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You must live a cardboard box, under a bridge abutment. People have sex now. It's not considered an abomination. Join the real world.


People have always had sex. Only since the late 70's to present has rampant out of wedlock pregnancy been a major factor. It used to be frowned upon. People didn't condone it. Families hid it. Girls avoided having sex out of wedlock. Now, baby's mamas and baby's daddies are all the rage. Breeding like feral animals is not the mark of societal evolution. On the contrary, it's indicative of a society on the brink of a societal collapse. No rules, no honor, just a free for all.

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if you would have told me in early 2019 that the Dems having captured the House of Representatives would somehow figure out a way to turn their sh!t show into a Republican majority in all branches of government, I would have not believed it. Thanks Dems for reinforcing my theory that ignorance can be overcome with proper education, and that stupidity is a chosen way of life. 

If you like your Impeachment, then you can keep your Impeachment. The Federal Government is not taking your Impeachment away.
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